macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread

[avz]

Sorry to be dragging this out, but still confused:

This is my takeaway, and what I suggested above. Please tell me if this what you mean:

First, install the Supplemental, which will provide the Safari 14.0. Then run the 2020-007 package. Re-patch. Then get the 14.0.1 and 14.0.2 from SU. Then, over that run the Safari 14.0.2 standalone you linked, which will resolve the issues I've been experiencing?

>>P.S. I am running Mojave on APFS, not sure if your HFS+ file systen is the issue. It should not be as plenty of people don't have any issues with it.

When I first installed Mojave from the patcher, and after the first several SecUpdates, I did not experience any of these issues on the HFS+ HDD internal drive. These problems started surfacing only with some of the relatively recent updates. Unable to pinpoint or remember right now just which updates. So seems like the HFS+/HDD is not the direct cause.

Yes, this should work, just don't forget to restart the system at the very end of it all. The reason I provided you with Safari link is that you can keep it and solve any issues in case you do get the order wrong.
Just hold on to this Safari 14.0.2 download and you will foolproof your entire approach, as the only reason you had to go back to 18G103 is because you did not have Safari 14.0.2 saved.

 

[RK78]

Yes, this should work, just don't forget to restart the system at the very end of it all. The reason I provided you with Safari link is that you can keep it and solve any issues in case you do get the order wrong.
Just hold on to this Safari 14.0.2 download and you will foolproof your entire approach, as the only reason you had to go back to 18G103 is because you did not have Safari 14.0.2 saved.

OK, great, and many thanks. Perhaps there is light now at the end of the tunnel. Will find out tmw.

 

[0403979]

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[Lubidubi]

Yesterday i installed SSD drives in two imac 8,1 and one imac 7,1 (with upgraded cpu).
Used APFS as the file system and installed Mojave. Installed all patches, Updated the system via SW Update and repatched from the usb installer.
All good so far but there is one problem. I cant change the volume through keyboard or system settings. It stays the same. Also mute doesnt work. The only thing which works, when u lower the volume in the app. For example VLC or when your on youtube through their volume controls.
rebooted all macs from the installer, selected the imac 8,1 / 7,1 in the dropdown and installed the patches again, but with no luck.
any ideas?

 

[RK78]

@avz

Ran everything yesterday and today. Basically, not seeing all that much difference. As before, if I leave the HFS+ volume idle for many hours, things become mostly usable - sort of. Still lagging and beachballing (Desktop, Menubar still taking longer time to load) but not as severe. Any idea why leaving it idle for hours makes things relatively usable? (Memory Pressure at ~38%,Yellow, zero Swap, but almost 1.5-2 GB Compressed. (Total RAM 8GB.) But almost back to square one on a restart - need to wait all over again.

Things much, much better on Late '09 21.5 iMac, also HFS+/HDD. Can probably chalk it up to iMac speed 3.06 GHz 2010 Mini only 2.4 or 2.66 GHz. (most likely 2.4 - writing from iMac, so will have to check actual speed later, when back on Mini.) RAM 12GB iMac vs 8GB Mini.

But still no comparison to my High Sierra, supported, on another Mini partition, where actions occur immediately, or at least far faster.

Didn't ask before but perhaps you can explain why the Safari 14.0.2 standalone is supposed to be the cure for the ills I've been describing?

Wish it had turned out a bit better, but want to thank you once again for the assistance.

 

[avz]

@avz

Ran everything yesterday and today. Basically, not seeing all that much difference. As before, if I leave the HFS+ volume idle for many hours, things become mostly usable - sort of. Still lagging and beachballing, but not as severe. Any idea why leaving it idle for hours makes things relatively usable? (Memory Pressure at ~38%,Yellow, no SWAP used, but almost 1.5-2 GB Compressed. (Total RAM 8GB.) But almost back to square one on a restart - need to wait all over again.

No comparison to my High Sierra, supported, on another partition, where actions occur immediately, or at least far faster.

Didn't ask before but perhaps you can explain why the Safari 14.0.2 standalone is supposed to be the cure for the ills I've been describing?

Wish it had turned out a bit better, but want to thank you once again for the assistance.

I stole this idea from Apple when they released a standalone Supplemental update(Safari). This approach still works for me.
It is very hard to troubleshoot over the internet. I don't think that my Late 2008 MacBook is vastly superior to whatever hardware you are running, so at this stage I am out of ideas.

P.S. I always turn off the Spotlight if that helps.

 

[MirComputers]

Hello everyone, question: is there a performance difference between Mojave and Catalina on old nvidia gpus like 9400? I have to update my macbook 5,1

 

[RK78]

@avz

>>P.S. I always turn off the Spotlight if that helps.



Yeah, Spotlight (mds and all its brothers, sisters, and cousins) is a resource hog. Would like to disable it in the Mojave volume, but since the internal is shared by another partition with High Sierra, disabling it in Mojave would effectively disable it in HS (what I will have to stick with on the Mini going forward) as well -- needed for Mail and Applications. For an explanation, this old post at Apple Discussions

Spotlight and multiple boot partitions - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com

...this is normal and there is no way around that. spotlight exclusion data for a drive is stored on that drive in .spotlight-V100 directory at the top level of the drive. so the exclusion data is shared across different systems because it reads the same exclusion file. as i said, no way around this. if you don't need 10.5 partition while booted into 10.6 you can set it not to mount automatically when you boot in snow leopard by modifying /etc/fstab. you can do the same when booting in 10.5 that's the only thing I can think of that could somewhat address the issue.

Btw, Memory usage in 10.14 not impossible, but not great

 

[MirComputers]

>>P.S. I always turn off the Spotlight if that helps.



Yeah, Spotlight (mds and all its brothers, sisters, and cousins) is a resource hog. Would like to disable it in the Mojave volume, but since the internal is shared by another partition with High Sierra, disabling it in Mojave would effectively disable it in HS (what I will have to stick with on the Mini going forward) as well -- needed for Mail and Applications. For an explanation, this old post at Apple Discussions

Spotlight and multiple boot partitions - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com

Btw, Memory usage in 10.14 not impossible, but not great View attachment 1702396

Is there a single "macos debloating" thread somewhere in this forum?

 

[Yipee2016]

I have a problem I cannot resolve. Following the early November OS Mojave updates I can no longer boot the Mojave patcher to either install the OS or reapply the patches. I created a new thumb drive, same results, I created a partition on my flash SSD main drive, same result, boots about 1/2 way and then puts up a black screen and never finishes booting. I tired the patcher in another very similar system no problems. my machine:

MacPro 2008 3,1
GPU NVidia GeForce GTX680 4GB
28GB ram
2 CPUs x 2.8GHZ

-To verify it was not the video flash, I refreshed the card using two different 4GB rooms, same result.
-I tried several different flash them drives.
-reset the Parameter rom, PR+Opt+CMD
-reset the SMC
-rebooted a dozen times
pulled other drives to avoid conflict.
-My Mojave OS boots without issue, but I can not update?
-IO can boot from High Sierra and Catalina patchers
-ran disk first aid
-ran tech rooms pro

ran Verbose move but it trolls to quickly for me to read

thanks for any ideas

Any news ? Today I tried to install Mojave on my Mac Pro 3,1 (instead of Catalina) and I have the same problem.

 

[thomasonlineva]

I have not found any resolution. Instead I built an updated mojave usb drive on another machine and used super duper to clone it to my MacPro. Not a good solution, sorry.

 

[L-5Jazzman]

I'm trying to find a copy of Mojave to download. When I click on the link in Apple's support note it takes me to the top page of the App store; searching there turns up nothing. Trying it through iTunes tells me it's not available in the US store. All other links I've found take me to the same place. I tried the Mojave Patcher, but that won't launch without a copy of Mojave on my drive. What am I missing?

Thanks!

 

[L Caputo]

I'm trying to find a copy of Mojave to download. When I click on the link in Apple's support note it takes me to the top page of the App store; searching there turns up nothing. Trying it through iTunes tells me it's not available in the US store. All other links I've found take me to the same place. I tried the Mojave Patcher, but that won't launch without a copy of Mojave on my drive. What am I missing?

Thanks!

You must use your Safari browser to click on any links that take you to the App Store pages for OS Downloads.
So try again, open Safari, click on this link, https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT211683
go down to Download OS and click on macOS Mojave.
This will redirect you to the App Store Mojave page it should say Get or Download.
If it says open the n the App Store has detected a copy of Install macOS Mojave.app on your
mac, locate it, move it to the Trash, empty the Trash.
Connect your mac to your router via cable, Restart your mac and try the download again.

 

[FarmerBob]

So after all this discussion does anyone have a definitive install order from G103 and what to avoid to defeat these maladies?

MacPro 3,1 8 Core
macOS 10.14.6 18G7016
32 GB Memory
4 4TB Hard drives with plenty of partitions to play with.

Any help will be greatly appreciated. I need to build one last install on a new WD Black 7200rpm D0S2 to use until I replace this machine.

 

[avz]

@avz

>>P.S. I always turn off the Spotlight if that helps.



Yeah, Spotlight (mds and all its brothers, sisters, and cousins) is a resource hog. Would like to disable it in the Mojave volume, but since the internal is shared by another partition with High Sierra, disabling it in Mojave would effectively disable it in HS (what I will have to stick with on the Mini going forward) as well -- needed for Mail and Applications. For an explanation, this old post at Apple Discussions

Spotlight and multiple boot partitions - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com

Btw, Memory usage in 10.14 not impossible, but not great View attachment 1702396

Btw, what the size of your System 10.14(Just the system files)? Mine is around 30GB, so if your partition did not have enough space to begin with, a recent doubling up of the System size(seems to affect a non-Apple 3rd party drives) is not going to help your case.

 

[RK78]

Btw, what the size of your System 10.14(Just the system files)? Mine is around 30GB, so if your partition did not have enough space to begin with, a recent doubling up of the System size(seems to affect a non-Apple 3rd party drives) is not going to help your case.

Loads of space, 115 GB overall available (from iMac 10,1, but similar percentage wise on Mini)

System (strictly) only 7.1 GB. But perhaps you mean mostly everything apart from User. See screenshot from OmniDiskSweeper (run as root)

What I've found to mitigate this Spotlight indexing across volumes, albeit clumsily, is s script to unmount High Sierra, when booted to Mojave.

 

[avz]

Loads of space, 115 GB overall available (from iMac 10,1, but similar percentage wise on Mini)

System (strictly) only 7.1 GB. But perhaps you mean mostly everything apart from User. See screenshot from OmniDiskSweeper (run as root) View attachment 1702991

What I've found to mitigate this Spotlight indexing across volumes, albeit clumsily, is s script to unmount High Sierra, when booted to Mojave.

What about the Apple's native About This Mac/Storage/Manage?

 

[K two]

So after all this discussion does anyone have a definitive install order from G103 and what to avoid to defeat these maladies?

MacPro 3,1 8 Core
macOS 10.14.6 18G7016
32 GB Memory
4 4TB Hard drives with plenty of partitions to play with.

Any help will be greatly appreciated. I need to build one last install on a new WD Black 7200rpm D0S2 to use until I replace this machine.

The G103 full-installer can be D/L and built with MDS or gibMacOS-master. It's item #13 on the Available Products listing. SilentKnight set the proper order to update everything without drama.

 

[K two]

I'm trying to find a copy of Mojave to download. When I click on the link in Apple's support note it takes me to the top page of the App store; searching there turns up nothing. Trying it through iTunes tells me it's not available in the US store. All other links I've found take me to the same place. I tried the Mojave Patcher, but that won't launch without a copy of Mojave on my drive. What am I missing?

Thanks!

The G103 full-installer can be D/L and built with MDS or gibMacOS-master. It's item #13 on the Available Products listing. G103 is the final Mojave full-installer.

 

[L-5Jazzman]

You must use your Safari browser to click on any links that take you to the App Store pages for OS Downloads.
So try again, open Safari, click on this link, https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT211683
go down to Download OS and click on macOS Mojave.
This will redirect you to the App Store Mojave page it should say Get or Download.
If it says open the n the App Store has detected a copy of Install macOS Mojave.app on your
mac, locate it, move it to the Trash, empty the Trash.
Connect your mac to your router via cable, Restart your mac and try the download again.

Using Safari instead of Firefox did the trick--thanks!

 

[K two]

Just now completed a full update of Mojave Security Updates and a bevy of Safaris on auto-pilot with SilentKnight and @dosdude1 patcher v.1.3.7 FLAWLESSLY on a MB5,1. No issues, WHATSOEVER. This low-octane MacBook now runs like it did on Snow Leopard. Just run SK to get a list of updates, select Install Updates and when SK is complete it specifies a restart, close SK and restart, option key into the USB patcher, install appropriate patches, reboot - Success! The Patch Updater may nag for an updated patch. Do it. Restart, one more time, the kextcache will automatically rebuild into a up-to-date MacBook. Amazing work by @dosdude1 and Dr. Howard Oakley the author of SilentKnight.

 

[K two]

Any news ? Today I tried to install Mojave on my Mac Pro 3,1 (instead of Catalina) and I have the same problem.

NVRAM reset? Let it bong, thrice.

 

[patthedog]

For several years I’ve been happily running High Sierra using the Dosdude1 patch on my Mac Pro 2008 with a GTX680 card.

It’s time for a clean install though.

Now that there are also patches for Mojave and Catalina I’m wondering how well these run on a 3,1 compared with High Sierra?

Stability and performance (music production) are the deciding factors in my case.

 

[jbarley]

For several years I’ve been happily running High Sierra using the Dosdude1 patch on my Mac Pro 2008 with a GTX680 card.

How's that old saying go?
"Why try to fix it, if it's not broke?"

 

[K two]

For several years I’ve been happily running High Sierra using the Dosdude1 patch on my Mac Pro 2008 with a GTX680 card.

It’s time for a clean install though.

Now that there are also patches for Mojave and Catalina I’m wondering how well these run on a 3,1 compared with High Sierra?

Stability and performance (music production) are the deciding factors in my case.

A reminder: Any 32bit apps and plug-ins which run on Mojave and earlier MacOS will not run in Catalina. This app will ferret them out: https://eclecticlightdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/32bitcheck18.zip