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macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread
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Apple's lousiest 3rd-gen i7 processor in 2012s had a worse geekbench score than the 2nd-gen i7s in the 2011s. (Apple was also putting tortoise-slow dual-core "cripple-chip" i5s in "lemon" modelsas late as 2017; any of the '11 and '12 machines were faster than those.)
there was no iMac with 3720qm
you're comparing iMac to MacBook Pro/Mac mini
pretty disingenuous
and even with that you are ignoring multi core, in which case even the 3720 beats the 2600
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Has anyone managed to put Mojave on a MBP 2011 using DosDude1 in such as way that hardware-acceleration or OpenGL is enabled/spoofed/whatever? (I already have DD1's installer+patcher.)
Hi Minghold
I have Mojave on a 2010 MBP using DosDude1 patched USB installer. MBP is not Metal support but it operates flawlessly.
PLEASE NOTE: The install process is NOT complete when the patched Mojave is successfully installed. Many patches take place during the install process, but critically, graphics is not addressed.
1. Once running (badly) in Mojave, you must do an option-restart with the patched installer connected.
2. Choose that patched installer as the startup disk when prompted.
3. Select “Post-Install Patches” from the menu displayed.
4. Specify your Mac type and execute.
On restart, everything was perfect for me.
But what's "everything"? (See the part that is now boldfaced.) --Unless your MBP'10 has some sort of grandfathered special-case components, hardware-acceleration will remain disabled with either OCL or DD1's Mojave patcher. In general puttering (up to and including watchig 1080p video in YouTube or VLC), you don't initially notice, but most games and graphics software will immediately fall on their face (i.e. crash) when they try to engage HW acceleration they expect to be there.
In any event, with the discovery of Chromium-legacy, the overmastering necessity of Mojave on these older machines has been dampened, since it is no longer necessary to have the last of the HFS+ MacOSes to keep up in the browser-race. (For example, Chromium-legacy runs just fine in El Capitan (all the back to Lion even), which easily purrs in 2gb ram machines, whereas High Sierra and Mojave are considerably porkier, barely running in 4gb and really wanting 6 or more.)
Sorry I wasn’t more specific. I own Macs for which Mojave is a fully supported OS. My 2010 MBP is running High Sierra, Mojave, and Catalina. My primary apps are ProTools, Vectorworks (CAD), FileMaker Pro, Pages, Numbers. In the context of these different OS/machine performance, I am very happy with the results. The MBP is dual core i7, 2.8GHz, which was the highest spec on release. It performs as I expect and I’m not an easy customer.
Vectorworks 3D rendering is noticeably slow compared to 2013 MacPro but I expected that. ProTools is used as editor-only on the MBP while the MP has an HDX card in Thunderbolt chassis DSP setup. FileMaker runs as I expect on all OS/machine combos. Safari is snappy all around. I’m a results kind of person, expecting much less of my 14 y.o. MBP, which serves my travel needs quite well.
I hope this is more helpful.
Hello:
Not sure where (date wise) to post this but, I am looking for some help.
Have early 2008 Mac Pro 3.1:
2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
16 GB 667 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB
Mac OS X Lion 10.7.5 (11G63)
Trying to install Mojave using dosdude1's patcher. I believe I am following his instructions
from video & print...
Patcher (latest version under "TOOLS") download fails at the very end. I get the patcher Icon
on the desktop with the slashed circle over it. If I click on the icon I get the message in the
attached screen shot below.
Would love to know what I am doing wrong.
Would appreciate anyone who has successfully gotten Mojave to run on the 3.1
to "show" me the error of my ways.
Many thanks to all.
Not sure where (date wise) to post this but, I am looking for some help.
Have early 2008 Mac Pro 3.1:
2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
16 GB 667 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 MB
Mac OS X Lion 10.7.5 (11G63)
Trying to install Mojave using dosdude1's patcher. I believe I am following his instructions
from video & print...
Patcher (latest version under "TOOLS") download fails at the very end. I get the patcher Icon
on the desktop with the slashed circle over it. If I click on the icon I get the message in the
attached screen shot below.
Would love to know what I am doing wrong.
Would appreciate anyone who has successfully gotten Mojave to run on the 3.1
to "show" me the error of my ways.
Many thanks to all.
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This message says that you should upgrade your current OS to at least 10.8 in order to run the patcher itself. Perhaps consider downloading earlier version of patcher (I am not sure this will hel as 10.8 is a quite old system). Or ask someone to make a bootable patched USB drive for you.
Also consider replacing Radeon 4xxx as it is a non-Metal card.
Also consider replacing Radeon 4xxx as it is a non-Metal card.
Of curiosity, is there any particular application you're trying to run that doesn't have a version compatible with High Sierra or El Capitan? (Note that Mojave's default file-system is APFS, and you'll want to carbon-copy-clone a fully-updated install into an MacOS Externded-journaled partition for best drive speed.)
I really want to use Mojave on more '07-'11 systems, but, despite the best efforts of DD1 and OCLP, hardware-acceleration and/or wifi are still inoperable on broad classifications of machines (such as all unmodified DVD-model iMacs)
In any event, no matter what you put on, you'll still want to disable MRT, Spotlight-indexing, crash-reporting, and reenable running apps downloaded from anywhere (you'll have to scrounge for the relevant Terminal commands), and each newer version of the OS has more annoying "features" to turn off (such as Notifications, which I kill in El Capitan onward).
I'm trying to remove dosdude mojave to installa Monterey on a MacBookpro 2011. Do you remember if you successfully uninstalled?
If that 2011 still has a rotational drive, don't even think about installing any version of the OS after Mojave (and the thing will run two or three times faster if cloned into a MacOS Extended (journaled) partition from the default APFS). If you're looking for a "modern" browser, get Chromium-legacy.
Hello everyone,
I have 2 computers:
Before starting the migration, I saw that it was possible to install Catalina on these machines, but many people consider Mojave to be the last viable version because Catalina is more resource-demanding, especially with mechanical hard drives.
But what about machines with SSDs? Is it worth upgrading to Catalina? Or is it better to stick with Mojave?
I have 2 computers:
- 1 iMac 9,1 (early 2009)
- 1 MacBook 5,1 (unibody late 2008)
Before starting the migration, I saw that it was possible to install Catalina on these machines, but many people consider Mojave to be the last viable version because Catalina is more resource-demanding, especially with mechanical hard drives.
But what about machines with SSDs? Is it worth upgrading to Catalina? Or is it better to stick with Mojave?
If you can squeeze 8GB of Ram in your computers plus an SSD, Catalina would be a great choice and will most likely run flawless. In the past, DosDude1 Patcher was great to install Catalina. However, OpenCore has so much improved to a point that I would use OpenCore now to install Catalina or later. Please keep in mind that going to or beyond Mojave will make all your 32bit programs unusable and will change your current file system to the newer Apple file system Standard. Most likely you will loose programs that you are used to, so make sure you make a good number of backups in case you want to go back and decide you like the older system better. This is more important to keep in mind compared to the hardware obstacles, because most of them have been resolved since OPLP 2.0.2.
Good, you haven't yet been led astray into APFS operating-systems and murdered the spinner drive in your blackback iMac.
Those machines both have DDR2 ram and Core2Duo processors, and I doubt either has more than 4gb of ram. Even with an SSD, Catalina (or anything later) will run like an absolute dog on those machine, even after considerable "debloating" via Terminal tricks to disable a dozen things (see below) -- and your reward for this is that all your 32bit software than ran great on those machines will be killed off. It's not like you'll be running Premier2024 on these anyway.
In fact, I wouldn't even recommend Mojave/HFS+ (my favorite OS for 2012-2019 i-series machines). Go with High Sierra. It'll run Waterfox and Chromium-legacy (both modern browsers, so punt Safari off the dock), and Parallels 17. Use Terminal tricks to disable MRT, ReportCrash, Notifications, and Spotlight Indexing. (Use the DosDode1 installer/patcher for the unibody Macbook; avoid OCLP.)
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Thanks a lot for your answers guys !
So, before your advices, I tried to install Mojave on the iMac (8Gb) with DosDude1 patcher (download osx dmg with the tool) but couldn't go till the end. (I tried several times with 2 differents USB sticks, reformated the SSD with OSX disk util but stuck randomly before the end of install). I then tried to install High Sierra but same result. No luck...
I finally used CCC to copy the old iMac's HDD El Capitan to the SSD.
So, before your advices, I tried to install Mojave on the iMac (8Gb) with DosDude1 patcher (download osx dmg with the tool) but couldn't go till the end. (I tried several times with 2 differents USB sticks, reformated the SSD with OSX disk util but stuck randomly before the end of install). I then tried to install High Sierra but same result. No luck...
I finally used CCC to copy the old iMac's HDD El Capitan to the SSD.
Since I am very much focused on Mac Pros from 2009/ 2010 only, most likely the advice from Minghold above is correct for your case. In the end it, it comes down how much you are willing to invest in terms of time, money and research on YT. I am sure there are wonderful tutorials for GPU swaps. The question remains, how much of an impact it makes for newer MacOS installations. Hope everything will work out for you.
Advice: don't use USB "sticks". Instead, use a 2.5" SATA-SSD drive with a SATA-USB3 adapter (these are $9 at MicroCenter). I never have luck with "sticks" (a good half of them are Chinese fakes and scamware that run far slower than labeled, etc).
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So, I have an update!
While transferring data from the MacBook to the iMac using the Migration Assistant, the process stopped halfway through the copy, without showing any error message.
Exactly like when I tried to install Mojave and then High Sierra.
So, it seems the issue is with the destination SSD and not the source as I initially thought.
The drive seemed fine (I had previously used it without any issues on a Windows PC).
I’ve read that there are compatibility problems with certain SSDs. In this case, it’s a 256GB Sandisk (SDSSDHP256G).
Do you know if there’s a known incompatibility with this type of SSD? I’ll try to check if a firmware update exists for this model. Then, I just need to find a way to update it on macOS without having to open up the iMac again.
Edit: Found 256GB X2316RL Firmware ISO to make the firmware update without having to open the iMac. I just updated the SSD to see if it's better.
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Via network, or via cloned USB drive, or via a TimeMachine external? (I have no advice on the later, as I never use TM for anything, preferring instead to use CCC5 to clone HFS+ drives.)
DosDude1-sourced Mojave/HFS+ running on an Early 2008 2.4ghz C2D "silverkeys" 15" Macbook Pro . --Case unopened, with OS installed* on the 200gb spinner drive as-is. While by no means fast, it's also not slow: Photoshop CS6 Extended launches in five seconds from cache, and it easily handles 1080p YouTube content in Waterfox w/updated uBlock Origin and FB Purity. This machine was obtained for ten bucks at the recycler, and is a stylish coffee-table computer with the keyboard lit up while in Dark Mode. The original 2008 battery only has 28 cycles on it, and Coconut lists it at 98.5% health. DriveDx reported the drive at 100% health, with barely a year of total run time.
People tend to forget that Apple was once pretty good about memory-management and drive-access instead of overtly trying to murder its own out-of-warranty hardware.
(*Procedure: 1. Boot from a Recovery Partition hosted on an external drive and launch Terminal; enter "csrutil disable". 2. Launch Disk Utility, wipe internal drive and create a new 170gb MacOS extended-journaled main partition and a 30gb tail-end APFS partition. 3. Reboot to launch DosDude1's installer; install Mojave to the APFS partition. 4. When finished, restart into the new OS, go through user-setup, then scan for update and apply Security Update 2021-005 (this part is the only reason we didn't install directly into an HFS+ partition). 6. Restart again, launch Carbon Copy Cloner 5 and clone the APFS partition to the HFS+ main partition. 7. Restart into the new main partition, and check the Memory usage section of Activity Monitor; if it's using over 3gb of 4 instead of under 2 at rest, then reboot back into the APFS partition, run a second clone pass with Get Backup Pro 3 and a third with CCC5 again. (In extemely rare situations, it may require using Paragon Hard Disk Manager to sector-copy the partition to solve this problem.) 8. When everything is shipshape, use Migration Assistant to import a favored boatload of goodies. 9. Apply Terminal hacks to disable Notifications, MRT, Spotlight Indexing, ReportCrash. 10. Clone the drive to a fresh external partition, reboot from it to ensure it took, then store it offsite.)
People tend to forget that Apple was once pretty good about memory-management and drive-access instead of overtly trying to murder its own out-of-warranty hardware.
(*Procedure: 1. Boot from a Recovery Partition hosted on an external drive and launch Terminal; enter "csrutil disable". 2. Launch Disk Utility, wipe internal drive and create a new 170gb MacOS extended-journaled main partition and a 30gb tail-end APFS partition. 3. Reboot to launch DosDude1's installer; install Mojave to the APFS partition. 4. When finished, restart into the new OS, go through user-setup, then scan for update and apply Security Update 2021-005 (this part is the only reason we didn't install directly into an HFS+ partition). 6. Restart again, launch Carbon Copy Cloner 5 and clone the APFS partition to the HFS+ main partition. 7. Restart into the new main partition, and check the Memory usage section of Activity Monitor; if it's using over 3gb of 4 instead of under 2 at rest, then reboot back into the APFS partition, run a second clone pass with Get Backup Pro 3 and a third with CCC5 again. (In extemely rare situations, it may require using Paragon Hard Disk Manager to sector-copy the partition to solve this problem.) 8. When everything is shipshape, use Migration Assistant to import a favored boatload of goodies. 9. Apply Terminal hacks to disable Notifications, MRT, Spotlight Indexing, ReportCrash. 10. Clone the drive to a fresh external partition, reboot from it to ensure it took, then store it offsite.)