Oh thanks didn't catch they were different and the Mojave is still Mojave, I don't wanna **** up my OS yet lol I wanna do it to my second SSD just trying to get the USB bootable, but about the other contact methods.. do you have any?
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Cloning the Catalina container, but your other installation is on an non-mac hardware I'd avoid that, better if you wait for a Catalina Patcher Installer from developers here, they should release it soon or right after the Catalina beta 2 .
Ok fair enough, so to get this right, to make a bootable USB I have to format the USB as APFS?
If you meant an External USB hard disk to where install Catalina, then yes you have to format it in APFS.
If you meant an USB drive (16 gb for example) for placing the Catalina Installer, then no, you have to format it in HFS.
So then the reason for the USB not booting is the fact that I have a Mojave disk in system?
Probably, since APFS structure is a bit changed from Catalina, and your Catalina system detects the Mojave as a "0" Role not system and not data, so if now you have a working Mojave there, better don't touch, and waiting for a Catalina Patcher, much safer, since with manual steps creating an USB Catalina Installer doesn't work properly and is not a 100% reliable method.
Trivial exercise maybe but still...
Happily could use a supported machine (MBP11,1) to install Catalina 10.15 beta on an external SSD with APFS (USB).
This disk was prepared on my MBP5,2 by cloning (CCC) the nice and stable 10.14.5, including all user data/programs.
Then connected the disk to the MBP11,1. Ran the Catalina installer app obtained via dosdude's post #31. Takes a while (1hr) on the USB disk, but that takes care of all data on the disk.
Boots fine on the MBP11,1 and all my settings and data are in place. Used this for some hours without seeing problems.
Attached are outputs from the 10.15 running on the MBP11,1: system info, and output from diskutil apfs list and listVolumeGroups. disk3 is the Catalina one, disk1 the internal with 10.14.5.
Then booting back into 10.14.5 still on the MBP11,1, here is as screenshot of the desktop with the two separate Catalina APFS volumes opened. The System one looks familiar, /S/L/E etc are open to modification from the running 10.14.5.
For now I'll try patches this way, from my MBP5,2 with 10.14.5 and the Catalina disk on USB. A small script, and of course the necessary modified kexts etc, should allow a decently fast patch-and-try cycle. I'll start with (a subset of) the suggestions in ASentientBot's wonderful work (post #767).
The "problem" is now that I saw the running Catalina on a supported machine. Want to see it also on my MBP5,2, even with non or partly accelerated graphics...
Good to know that nothing was hurt on the MBP11,1 by the installation exercise.
Happily could use a supported machine (MBP11,1) to install Catalina 10.15 beta on an external SSD with APFS (USB).
This disk was prepared on my MBP5,2 by cloning (CCC) the nice and stable 10.14.5, including all user data/programs.
Then connected the disk to the MBP11,1. Ran the Catalina installer app obtained via dosdude's post #31. Takes a while (1hr) on the USB disk, but that takes care of all data on the disk.
Boots fine on the MBP11,1 and all my settings and data are in place. Used this for some hours without seeing problems.
Attached are outputs from the 10.15 running on the MBP11,1: system info, and output from diskutil apfs list and listVolumeGroups. disk3 is the Catalina one, disk1 the internal with 10.14.5.
Then booting back into 10.14.5 still on the MBP11,1, here is as screenshot of the desktop with the two separate Catalina APFS volumes opened. The System one looks familiar, /S/L/E etc are open to modification from the running 10.14.5.
For now I'll try patches this way, from my MBP5,2 with 10.14.5 and the Catalina disk on USB. A small script, and of course the necessary modified kexts etc, should allow a decently fast patch-and-try cycle. I'll start with (a subset of) the suggestions in ASentientBot's wonderful work (post #767).
The "problem" is now that I saw the running Catalina on a supported machine. Want to see it also on my MBP5,2, even with non or partly accelerated graphics...
Good to know that nothing was hurt on the MBP11,1 by the installation exercise.
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Which iMacs are those? I have a 27" Inch 2011, I believe, I need to get it's Model #; been sitting there collecting dust. My other route I was gonna take with it is an eGPU via Thunderbolt.
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You can try it, just know you are taking a risk. That's all.
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I appreciate your work and knowledge and even if we disagree on past and present technologies, i's great collaborating with so much diversity in skill sets. Each one us, no matter how big or small our contribution is, in the end, it benefits us all.
I did not get into this until my best friend gave me a free Mac Pro which just happened to be a 3,1 and I was able to get another 3,1 from my work dirt cheap.
One 3,1 a four core runs Win 10. The other one runs Mojave, flawlessly thanks to your patch tool, you commit and the contributions from others.
I haven't been this excited about a hacking project like this since I was into Hackintoshes over a decade ago. I got to virtually meet many well know hackers, and share and exchange ideas mostly around my Darwin based disk cloning software called CloneTool. It was designed to let Hackintosh users back up their Intel machines to a bootable backup. And it also just happened to work on Macs. I had a gui version of it and eventually sold it to another member of NiceMac, but it ended up dying out. I do plan to bring back CloneToolX with the purpose of cloning Mojave and Catalina systems. I may not even be needed but it's something I want to build.
On that journey, I discovered APFS files and folders especially at the User level can be cloned without taking up more disk space, so that is another cool possibility, that I am calling ReplicatorX to make snapshots of folders and allow versioning without taking up anymore disk space than the bytes that have changed.
So those are some ideas I plan on developing.
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Let me just say this, I will pledge 60 dollars today and I hope others do the same. I know you enjoy doing it, but wanted to send thanks as a token my appreciation. I've been using Macs since 1986. I've made a whole career supporting supported machines in addition to two careers in Graphic Design, and Software Development. This is the least I can do and we are honored that you're still with us.
p.s.
I bought several supported Macs in my life too. But then life happens and you decide, you can't go out and buy a new Mac every 3-5 years. Even when my 2008 Mac gets cutoff, I will keep running its latest OS, it's still light years ahead of El Capitan.
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I have an extra SSD that I will try putting into my system after school, anything I should know? (My Mojave System should be fine)
Best News I've heard since Catalina launch at WWDC ! ! !
Would you mind sending over a copy of your IOHIDFamily.kext patch? I wasn't able to find it on this thread. Is that clean enough to include in macOS Patcher 3 or are you looking into a cleaner solution for that too?
It's sad this won't be possible with all the 2012 and later iMacs that Apple will be removing from the supported Mac list in the near future, maybe even as soon as the next release (10.16).
Just 98 more to go!
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Does anyone know how to set this in nvram as a param without having to use a Hackintosh or third party boot loader? Just curious.
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I am gonna try the signing of the OSInstall tonight that someone posted on here for the BaseSystem.
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Is there a post that recommends which kexts for MP3,1 for WiFi,Sound,and Power Mgt?
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The only thing that I don't like about dd is keeping the source and dest. the same size. I've had hero luck taking a smaller image and resizing it. The APFS file system doesn't see the space. So I am keeping all my dd clones the same size. I am looking at rsync and ditto and Apple's FileManager API as alternatives for disk cloning and backups as well as variant implementations of dd'd images, but maybe restore them another way so it doesn't matter what size they are.
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Thx.
VMWARE 11.0 gives me black scren with windows 10 now, in my virtual mahcine, so vmware 11 is not supported with KATALINA?
[doublepost=1560286087][/doublepost]any VM IS KATALINW using vmware 11.0 for does not work, all i get is black screen., this sucks lol
[doublepost=1560286087][/doublepost]any VM IS KATALINW using vmware 11.0 for does not work, all i get is black screen., this sucks lol
I'm messing around with creating manual local disk snapshots using tmutil. It takes advantage of the shared data feature of APFS. You can restore parts with Time Machine app on a live system or you can restore entire snapshots from recovery boot mode.(probably install disks too).
Has anyone messed with the CLI app 'starttoinstall'? it is located near createinstallmedia. It is an interactive installer. I am at work now, but will check if it runs on an unsupported Mac.
Has anyone messed with the CLI app 'starttoinstall'? it is located near createinstallmedia. It is an interactive installer. I am at work now, but will check if it runs on an unsupported Mac.
It's a beta. Even an early one. It's expected to have issues. So if you do, please write a report to apple with their feedback assistant, so they can fix this. This is the reason they release beta software in the first place.
A few other VM tools:
QEMU + Hypervisor.framework on Mac
QEMU + KVM on Linux
Anka Build
Parallels
All have run Catalina.
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The only thing that I don't like about dd is keeping the source and dest. the same size. I've had hero luck taking a smaller image and resizing it. The APFS file system doesn't see the space. So I am keeping all my dd clones the same size. I am looking at rsync and ditto and Apple's FileManager API as alternatives for disk cloning and backups as well as variant implementations of dd'd images, but maybe restore them another way so it doesn't matter what size they are.
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I posted a write up a few pages back. I'm still playing around with it trying to find out how it determines the full size needed, but basically take your working install, add the APFS container sizes together and add about another 1GB. Plug in a USB drive, partition it with the first one being a new APFS container the size from above. In Disk Utility click the new container volume on the USB drive, choose restore, then choose your working APFS container (not the -DATA one). It will clone it (even if it is the live system you are working from). That will give you a minimized size clone drive, then you can use DD or Clonezilla to create your shrunken image. I was actually thinking of doing a quick PDF with pictures to document the whole process if there's any interest. Saves TONS of time working with 14-15GB images instead of your entire drive size.
The only thing that I don't like about dd is keeping the source and dest. the same size. I've had hero luck taking a smaller image and resizing it. The APFS file system doesn't see the space. So I am keeping all my dd clones the same size. I am looking at rsync and ditto and Apple's FileManager API as alternatives for disk cloning and backups as well as variant implementations of dd'd images, but maybe restore them another way so it doesn't matter what size they are.
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I posted a write up a few pages back. I'm still playing around with it trying to find out how it determines the full size needed, but basically take your working install, add the APFS container sizes together and add about another 1GB. Plug in a USB drive, partition it with the first one being a new APFS container the size from above. In Disk Utility click the new container volume on the USB drive, choose restore, then choose your working APFS container (not the -DATA one). It will clone it (even if it is the live system you are working from). That will give you a minimized size clone drive, then you can use DD or Clonezilla to create your shrunken image. I was actually thinking of doing a quick PDF with pictures to document the whole process if there's any interest. Saves TONS of time working with 14-15GB images instead of your entire drive size.
I haven't seen any posts on the 3,1 or 4,1. I am gonna boot a fresh install of Catalina, create a local snapshot with vmutil. Apply a kext, snapshot, reboot a few times, til I get the ones I need working.
I need to get Sound, WiFi and Power Mgt. on Cat. I have them all on Mojave from the dosdude1 patch which is my favorite patch tool. It's great we got many systems up and running using supported Macs and we knew about Telemetry from last time. It's great to see hope for acceleration of non-Metal GPUs. We lucked out on the MP's with Metal
Kepler Back-to-Back OS releases, Mojave and Catalina.I did found out why my Galaxy GTX 680 2GB runs so fast. It is factory overclocked. And it looks like the flash tool did not reset those settings.
And the Direct CU with duel fans and low profile and very open design keeps it ultra cool. I highly recommend this card and was lucky enough to get it NIB.Mojave BTW. still running 10.14.4. Pretty solid. I am happy through to see some patches come through on its updater.
My "barebones" Catalina image (created for an mbp 5,3) had IOHID,LegacyUSB, AppleHDA and 80211Family (I think). Real slim. The same image runs fine on MP3,1 - keyboard, mouse, wifi (have to check sound though). I will do that tonight.
On the dd sizing issues... I think I did notice the target partition shrinking down to the size of the source image on the MP3,1. I initially reserved 70GB for a 63.5GB source image - afterwards the target partition size was equal to the image size. Dunno if I was hallucinating but will check that tonight also.
Yeah.. there is an issue with APFS and sizes with dd. they don't seem to expand right. least with my bad luck. So I started doing 250 GB partitions. Making my source partitions 248GB. For a test system, that's find. I have 2TB of SSD Storage and 8 TB HD.
In theory, you should be able to format the destination drive, same format. have a source be the same size, but do count= on its max bytes. but my best like has been simply put the install on a cheap HD at full size and do dd overnight. Works and I am not waiting on it.
I am happy to get rid of almost all my EFI partitions. Nice not seeing them but one in by option-key boot menu.
I am going to use tmutil to make local snapshots for patching manually and I will have a place to fall back to incase I mess up. That alone will save time with trial and error.
I figured your Kext's would be the same as a Core2Duo Mac book. Just wanted to make sure.
I just noticed my Mojave install has en4 - en11, all iPhone, Type Ethernet.
Idk, but maybe this could be of some help…
WWDC 2019 – Session 710 – iOS, macOS, tvOS, watchOS (APFS in Catalina, etc.):
What's New in Apple File Systems
Learn about what's new in file system technology, including changes to file system layout and imaging technologies. If you are affected by the new Read Only System Volume, this is a session you will not want to miss.
https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2019/710/
WWDC 2019 – Session 710 – iOS, macOS, tvOS, watchOS (APFS in Catalina, etc.):
What's New in Apple File Systems
Learn about what's new in file system technology, including changes to file system layout and imaging technologies. If you are affected by the new Read Only System Volume, this is a session you will not want to miss.
https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2019/710/
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you can always check dude's post-install to see what kexts were replaced for Mojave.