macOS 11: All the little things!

[Killerbob]

Has anyone upgraded who was/is using Parallels?

 

[fdolbec123]

Some partitions used by Big Sur can't be mounted in Catalina (so basically you wont be able to mess with the system ressources it needs). Sad, because I wanted to post some icons here on macrumors from my Catalina partition (so I wouldn't need to reboot in Big Sur again just for that).

 

[teflocarbon]

Someone requested a screenshot of the console so here it is.
It works fine for me.

 

[SnoFlo]

As a Windows user, after having moved on from Apple in 2012, I must say that MacOS XI UI is just killing Windows 10 hatchet-job UI in my humble estimation. MacOS has style.

 

[Ahheck01]

Has anyone upgraded who was/is using Parallels?

Just booted successfully into my bootcamp partition through Parallels. Keyboard mapping is a little weird - would only take numbers above 3 unless I held down fn for some reason. Also didn't autodetect screen resolution, but I was able to set it manually.

I'm running through an eGPU (RX 580 8GB) on a 2016 16" MBP. That said I haven't checked "Prefer External GPU" for the Parallels application yet.

Edit. Networking seems to work fine. Though after I shut down and try to Command-Q or click Quit, it just doesn't. Have to force quit to close.

 

[DeadeyeM]

Someone requested a screenshot of the console so here it is.
It works fine for me.
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They still have that stupid tinting on Dark Mode

 

[anshuvorty]

Mine remains the same as in Catalina. What type of drive are you using?

I guess you are correct. This was a screenshot of a USB flash drive. I'm sorry that I didn't explicitly mention that the external drive icons changed.
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As a Windows user, after having moved on from Apple in 2012, I must say that MacOS XI UI is just killing Windows 10 hatchet-job UI in my humble estimation. MacOS has style.

It always did IMHO. The design aesthetic with Apple designs has always been singular and focused as compared to Windows...

The only times I can recall where the Microsoft's design aesthetic was singular and focused was with Windows XP and Windows 9X...

 

[glindon]

Yes. I mentioned this in another thread, but TBH, this doesn't really feel like a brand new macOS 11 to me. This feels more like a revived macOS 10.x (similar to Yosemite and Lion's UI changes), but the underlying code, system mechanics, etc. doesn't really seem to have been changed much (other than preparations for ARM).

I'd have expected for a macOS 11 (or even appleOS 1.0) release to come with more of a... bang. Huge, sweeping system changes—old vestigial elements/naming conventions such as System Preferences (which was originally System Prefs in 10.0.0 Cheetah, and derived from NEXTSTEP) to be gone. More of a big... overall change. This macOS 11 timeline kind of feels more like an iOSification of the appearance of the Macintosh OS, while nothing underneath the surface really had changed, if that makes sense.

Everything seems to be in the same places and nothing really seems new. Everything is slightly rounded. The title bars aren’t really that much bigger. Biggest difference is menubar items like WiFi and Bluetooth, etc., which look completely different but function the same.

 

[anshuvorty]

Everything seems to be in the same places, and nothing seems new. Everything is slightly rounded. The title bars aren’t that much more significant. The biggest difference is menubar items like WiFi and Bluetooth, etc., which look entirely different but function the same.

macOS is a mature platform, and making any radical changes to it would prevent the more prosumer and pro user base to adopt it. It is a reliable platform that many pros use to do their work. If Apple suddenly changed everything about macOS because a new architecture was going to be running macOS, I think many users would be put off by it because of the sudden new learning curve that would have to mastered just to use the new OS...

This is the correct course of action to take IMHO. Nice and slow. I think 5 years from now, the Apple Silicon-based macOS will look very different than the one that will be released this Fall...

 

[Czo]

The "Classic" view aka "Use Column Layout" are still there in Mail.app?

 

[ErikGrim]

The "Classic" view aka "Use Column Layout" are still there in Mail.app?

Yes.

 

[macdos]

I kinda had a phase like that when I started out with web design many years ago, showing off my skills with round corners and such…

Question is, however, is there anything that is actually *new* in terms of OS features, something that merits the OS being bumped to a major version XI?

 

[KALLT]

Question is, however, is there anything that is actually *new* in terms of OS features, something that merits the OS being bumped to a major version XI?

They mentioned at the Platforms State of the Union that Big Sur improves “so much of the general architecture” and because “it is a new operating system all around”.

It is just marketing. macOS is still macOS and still based on Darwin. The UI has changed so much over the years that this change is not that radical compared to what Mac OS X started with. While ARM compatibility is big, so was the switch from PowerPC to Intel.

The base version number 10 did not serve a technical purpose anymore, as far as I can see. Dropping it won’t make a difference either way.

 

[slamuelrock]

They still have that stupid tinting on Dark Mode

While it is true that they've increased the intensity of the tinting, if it didn't have any tinting at all it would look very out of place and weird.

 

[vasuvasu]

Can the dock still be moved to the side of the screen instead of just the bottom?

 

[ifrit05]

Can the dock still be moved to the side of the screen instead of just the bottom?

Yes, it kept that setting for me after I updated but I reverted back to the default setting because it looked off to me with the new rounded corners like it has in iOS/iPadOS.
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Sheets are now presented as an attached modal window and no longer fly out of the parent window:

https://imgur.com/djjGrGd

Preference windows that change window size with different toolbar items have a new animation:

 

[StellarVixen]

It got lot of its elements from iOS (such as square icons). But still looks like Mac.

I kinda like it, I can’t believe I am saying this.

 

[trinec]

Since ATVOS should be able to support 4K on YT, now - can someone give it a try on 4K YouTube Videos (Av1) in Safari if this is possible over there, too? Thanks...

Edit: As already mentioned in another thread by @Andropov this is still not possible. Thanks for testing.

 

[vaugha]

In ios/ipados 13 safari, you could hide the tabs but this functionality was not there in catalina. It drove me nuts.

Can anyone confirm the tabs can be hidden in the new safari?

 

[TheralSadurns]

How much can finder be configured? I have so many questions

Is it possible to include the path bar at the bottom?

Does spacial finder still work (aka hide tool bar)?

Can you enable the setting to show the path in the title bar? https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/96737/how-do-i-get-the-full-path-for-a-file-in-finder

The loss of information seems fixable in most cases.
Take Finder for example.
You can re-enable the tab bar, path bar, status bar, and have icons and text in the tool bar.
The screenshot also has reduced transparency enabled which also turns the menu bar a solid dark gray/light gray.

Overall... especially if I look at all the knows and dials... I get the feeling that this is the first step to make it touch friendly. When iOS, iPadOS, and macOS are all running on the same CPU etc... why would an iPad not run FULL macOS?!
Especially if they make it more accessible... which it seems they do.

 

[StellarVixen]

Window control buttons could use more depth, they look like copy/pasted from previous Mac OS versions.

 

[user1234]

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Thanks for sharing this screenshot. Kinda restores my hope for Big Sur still being for power users

 

[baselinegrid]

The loss of information seems fixable in most cases.
Take Finder for example.
You can re-enable the tab bar, path bar, status bar, and have icons and text in the tool bar.
The screenshot also has reduced transparency enabled which also turns the menu bar a solid dark gray/light gray.

Overall... especially if I look at all the knows and dials... I get the feeling that this is the first step to make it touch friendly. When iOS, iPadOS, and macOS are all running on the same CPU etc... why would an iPad not run FULL macOS?!
Especially if they make it more accessible... which it seems they do. View attachment 926515

Cool! Thanks for sharing. Are you saying this is the end of spatial finder?

Any luck with the terminal command to show the full path in the title bar?

 

[DanielDD]

The loss of information seems fixable in most cases.
Take Finder for example.
You can re-enable the tab bar, path bar, status bar, and have icons and text in the tool bar.
The screenshot also has reduced transparency enabled which also turns the menu bar a solid dark gray/light gray.

Overall... especially if I look at all the knows and dials... I get the feeling that this is the first step to make it touch friendly. When iOS, iPadOS, and macOS are all running on the same CPU etc... why would an iPad not run FULL macOS?!
Especially if they make it more accessible... which it seems they do. View attachment 926515

Can you share this screenshot but in light mode?

also, I know this is a big ask (so feel free not to do it) but can you confirm if the El Capitan dark mode still works?

 

[TheralSadurns]

Is there still a magnification of the icons when you hover the cursor over the dock in Big Sur? Looked flat with no animation during the keynote.

Yes. It can be enabled just as before!
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Thanks for sharing this screenshot. Kinda restores my hope for Big Sur still being for power users

That was basically my only reason to install it... and the only things I checked
Didn't really care about the new icons or whatever... as long as all the features are still there... I'm good.