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macOS 13.2 Breaks Compatibility With Pioneer's CD/DVD Drives [Updated]
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Talk about forced obsolescence, I better test my USB floppy drive as well. 
It’s not hard to learn about digital distribution agreements and licenses and regional laws.
Movie titles are not available in all regions. You move region and change your iTunes account to the new region, your movie disappears.
Games disappear from Steam for same reasons.
27 games get pulled from Steam in Germany, likely for being controversial
In an attempt to remove media which might be harmful for children, a government body in Germany has presumably removed 27 games from the Steam store, including the entire Postal series.
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I just recently used a USB 3.5" Floppy drive to recover some ancient files I had laying around since the mid 1990's and from my old Macintosh Portable (still have it). Then I used a cheap Amazon special USB DVD drive to confirm the contents of a pile of old burnable DVD's before I destroyed them.
Stick with the cheap aftermarket stuff and you're golden Pioneer is way to fancy for me.
Stick with the cheap aftermarket stuff and you're golden
Pioneer is way to fancy for me.
Listen, I know there's people upset about not being able to use CDs and Blu-Rays, but is there any word on whether or not the last update breaks support for record players and cassette tapes, because that seems equally important.
How on earth am I going to play my grandfather's copy of Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon if I can't use a USB-connected record player? How will I listen to my dad's collection of Nirvana tapes? I might have to use modern forms of technology to consume media. 😤
How on earth am I going to play my grandfather's copy of Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon if I can't use a USB-connected record player? How will I listen to my dad's collection of Nirvana tapes? I might have to use modern forms of technology to consume media. 😤
Well, I don’t on a regular basis, but when I was cleaning out my storage last year, I found a bunch of old disks I made. So I got a usb drive to see what’s on them. I think there are probably a lot of people who archived their family photos and movies on optical media. That means legacy media will have to be supported for a while to come.
I know all about it, and handle these agreements as part of my job. Having digital content no longer available because of the user changing regions is not the same argument as what I'm seeing here i.e. 'Apple can just take it away from you anytime'.It’s not hard to learn about digital distribution agreements and licenses and regional laws.
Movie titles are not available in all regions. You move region and change your iTunes account to the new region, your movie disappears.
Games disappear from Steam for same reasons.
27 games get pulled from Steam in Germany, likely for being controversial
In an attempt to remove media which might be harmful for children, a government body in Germany has presumably removed 27 games from the Steam store, including the entire Postal series.
It shouldn’t, that’s why you have to test everything to make sure nothing is broke, had Pioneer, or anyone, notice this breakage they could have submitted a bug before it was released. This is why Apple allows developers access to betas, so they can test their software and hardware to make sure nothing breaks.
Lol, apparently not.
who knows what kind of garbage firmware they put in their hardware? which is why its important that they have a better testing cadence and not blame Apple for their mistake.
That an issue too.
The CDs that came out in the 80s before the loudness wars had the original mixes and volume that the artists intended.
Then studios ****ed up later releases.
Then the studios ****ed up the streaming releases.
Some streaming albums are now being remastered to sound like the first releases.
Same with movies. Some movies have been re-edited and made worse than they originally were.
So it is no surprise than people want to collect vintage editions on disc or vinyl.
So Apple intentionally gimped their own USB drives to not work with other computers, and now they are gimping their own OS so that standard USB drives don't work with Macs?
Sounds pretty on-brand to me.
Yes it is and you should know that. It’s not Apple taking it away from customers. It’s the distribution agreement or local laws.
For all we know, tomorrow a state like Texas can ban the Handmaid’s Tale and every Apple iTunes account in Texas will no longer have that title in their library.
They almost went insolvent not that long ago. Even if you look at Amazon selling Pioneer DVD/BD drives its from 3rd parties
Pioneer delisted in Tokyo
Pioneer, a once prominent name in audio and video, will see its shares delisted from the Tokyo Stock Exchange on March 27th. Hong Kong-based investment fund
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The Pioneer USA web site may show a lot of products but finding them at local chain stores is a miracle.
So they be lucky to pay for someone to answer the phone, let along an actual developer.
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Selling my MacBook M1 Air, Lenovo 9i arriving today. I use pioneer BD drives all the time.
I do, multiple, but not everyone does. And backups can go bad too, ever had a time machine backup go bad, I have, and same for any other backup software I've ever owned. Bits are not permanent unless they are on permanent media.
Many might, but as you can even mount a Zip Drive on iOS, it's probably a baseless argument.
Exactly this. I have (far too many) CDs and DVDs with music and movies that are not streaming, and may never be on streaming services. And even if they were able to be streamed, why would I want to buy them a second time, when I already have them?
I have a USB Samsung CD/DVD player that just works, but I'm running Big Sur. If I were to buy a new Mac, who knows if that would be the case.
The reason people even have USB optical drives like the Pioneer ones that 13.2 has apparently broken is because Apple removed optical drives from their computers in the first place, forcing those of use who want to play or burn physical media to buy them.
You need to read Apple's response more carefully:
"...the content provider has removed these movies from the Canadian Store."
This isn't to do with moving countries, this is specifically about content that was once available in a country/region no longer being available in that same region.
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I buy quite a few used DVDs from Amazon. CDs too, but a fair bit from iTunes since most of the time it's less than full albums and there's no DRM. I've had very few problems. BDs...just one tiny no-big-deal scratch and they can be messed up. I have very few BDs, but mostly buy them new unless I can figure out it's from someone's private collection. Then I'll take a chance.
You expect Pioneer to beta test modern MacOS against CD or DVD drives they probably stopped manufacturing over a decade ago? Good luck with that.
Those drives didn't change. All reports are the vast majority of them in use (read: by non-Mac users) are still working fine. This wasn't Pioneer's mistake, it was Apple's.
Related, but not exactly the same.... over the years I have purchased many songs and music videos from the iTunes store. Apple stated in the fine print that you are supposed to maintain backups of your purchased media, and does not guarantee permanent access, despite the fact it is paid for.. I made the wrong assumption when I added iTunes Match to my account, that it would mean that I would always be able to re-download my music and videos, so have not made actual backups of my iTunes library for quite some time. I found out the hard way that several of my music videos have have become inaccessible, they show in my library (with a generic icon) but refuse to play, unless I have the video already downloaded. If you go and do a search for it, you find the exact same video is still available in the iTunes, but they changed it (perhaps higher quality, or a license change?), and gives me the option to re-purchase it. So despite the fact that it is paid for, I no longer have access to many of my music videos any more. Fortunately for me, I have some of them backed up, and can manually transfer them, but many more are just gone. So now, I always download iTunes purchases and make sure they are backed up, but this is proof that if Apple removes the item (or replaces), there is no guarantee that you will keep access. If you have physical media, that can't go away.