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macOS 13.2 Breaks Compatibility With Pioneer's CD/DVD Drives [Updated]

dwaltwhit said:
Many might argue this is a malicious attempt by Apple to get rid of physical media. I would think it is ignorance to an issue that they didn't catch.
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Apple has neither the time nor the ability to test every single peripheral device out there to ensure they still work with an update. Think about the thousands of devices people use. If this issue is fixable it will be fixed y Apple. If it was caused by some security or firmware flaw in the Pioneer drive Pioneer will fix it.
 
bobcomer said:
It's a USB hardware device that has worked forever, Apple broke it and should fix it.
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Well, in my experience Apple could care less about non-Apple USB devices. I have an Epson scanner that I have had forever and now every time with Ventura I have to find the special sequence of scanner power on, plug in dongle, plugin USB, start the Apple Image Capture app. It takes a half o dozen tries to get the sequence correct for it to work.

Simply, Apple does not care if it is not an Apple devices. I remember a time when Apple computers were more compatible than any other computer you could buy. Not any more.
 
jigzaw said:
I have a Pioneer Blu-Ray USB drive and I don't think there are any other options to access those discs. In fact, I'm hoping they'll come out with a 4K UHD BluRay drive one of these days.
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Pioneer does have 4K UHD drives that are Mac-compatible, I use the BDR-XD07UHD. There isn't any 4K player software available for Mac (or, at least, there wasn't a year ago when I bought the drive), but you can rip UHD discs if you have a Plex server or the like, and CDs, DVDs, and old-style Blu-Rays all play normally.

And it is affected by the bug, I just tried loading a disc and got nothing. I'd just ripped a CD in the last few weeks, but I guess it was from before 13.2 dropped.
 
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nt5672 said:
Well, in my experience Apple could care less about non-Apple USB devices. I have an Epson scanner that I have had forever and now every time with Ventura I have to find the special sequence of scanner power on, plug in dongle, plugin USB, start the Apple Image Capture app. It takes a half o dozen tries to get the sequence correct for it to work.

Simply, Apple does not care if it is not an Apple devices. I remember a time when Apple computers were more compatible than any other computer you could buy. Not any more.
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Apple and Driver support: If Apple does not make it, they will not support its drivers.

Meanwhile I can use drivers for devices from 99/2000 from Windows 2K still in Windows 7 at least (never tried it on 10 or 11).
 
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Aquaporin said:
Apple and Driver support: If Apple does not make it, they will not support its drivers.
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Pretty much true. Although support does seem better for things they sell via their stores, i.e. Belkin products that need drivers/kexts.
 
nt5672 said:
Well, in my experience Apple could care less about non-Apple USB devices. I have an Epson scanner that I have had forever and now every time with Ventura I have to find the special sequence of scanner power on, plug in dongle, plugin USB, start the Apple Image Capture app. It takes a half o dozen tries to get the sequence correct for it to work.

Simply, Apple does not care if it is not an Apple devices. I remember a time when Apple computers were more compatible than any other computer you could buy. Not any more.
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Well, I could always use my Windows PC instead...
 
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jwolf6589 said:
True. I have lots of movies on my Mac that was imported over years ago that cannot play with current versions of Mac OSX. These videos played just fine in Mac OS 8.
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I also have some really old QuickTime videos and camcorder videos stashed away somewhere -- but last I checked, I'm pretty sure that I could still play them, certainly with VLC if not natively. Have you tried a third-party player?
 
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goodcow said:
Why would a macOS point release update break compatibility with something basic, like a USB optical drive?
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Recently some macOS update broke support of the Ethernet port in my Phillips monitor connected with USB-C. “Too bad” was the word from Phillips support.
 
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jakey rolling said:
You expect Pioneer to beta test modern MacOS against CD or DVD drives they probably stopped manufacturing over a decade ago? Good luck with that.

Those drives didn't change. All reports are the vast majority of them in use (read: by non-Mac users) are still working fine. This wasn't Pioneer's mistake, it was Apple's.
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I agree it was apples fault. I was just saying that if pioneer, or anyone would have caught it in the beta, then it could have fixed before the release. You expect Apple to test decade old drives that they didn’t even produce?
 
goodcow said:
Why would a macOS point release update break compatibility with something basic, like a USB optical drive?
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Are you inferring it was done on purpose or that Apple should testing against every single USB optical in existence? Pioneer still makes hardware for computers?
 
gaximus said:
I agree it was apples fault. I was just saying that if pioneer, or anyone would have caught it in the beta, then it could have fixed before the release. You expect Apple to test decade old drives that they didn’t even produce?
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I would expect Apple to test some decade old drives that they didn't produce, since chances are pretty good that if there are issues that would affect some of them, the likelihood of those issues affecting others would be pretty high and the chance of catching those issues early would also be high.

In this instance, I would be very surprised if Apple did any testing involving third-party drives.
 
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dwaltwhit said:
Many might argue this is a malicious attempt by Apple to get rid of physical media. I would think it is ignorance to an issue that they didn't catch.
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Given that my USB first party superdrive seems to work I'm gonna go with that they accidently broke support for some form of chipset or usb identification support. It's definitely not a malicious attempt to get rid of all optical drives
 
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zarmanto said:
Back in the '90s or so, I worked the sales floor for a brief period at this little store that now no longer exists. You may have heard of the place, if you're old enough... something about radios and such. Anyway, the name isn't important -- certainly not anymore, at least.

I remember one particular customer who walked into the store and was looking at our computers. Pretty nearly all stores at that time had stopped carrying PCs with 5 1/4" floppy drives; all of them had transitioned over to 3 1/2" floppies. But this old guy was positively livid! Why would any store discontinue a standard computer component? How was he going to get to all of his data on the hundreds -- nay, thousands! -- of disks he had sitting around at home? He was quite adamant that he would never -- I say, never! -- buy a computer from our store again.

Okay... I might be exaggerating his narrative. Just a tiny bit. But to hear him tell the story, you would have thought his entire world must be coming to an end, over the discontinuation of a feature... that was definitely long since obsolete. My fellow salesmen and I watched him leave in a huff, and just shook our heads.

So it has also gone with the 3 1/2" drive. So will it be with CDs, DVDs and eventually, Blurays.

(That said... this particular incident is almost certainly just a minor accident. I'd suggest keeping an eye out for a minor bug fix version to be released sometime soon.)
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How much effort would it have taken to talk to the guy, explain the situation and help them to a solution. Maybe even sold them something to assist.
Instead you treat them as an idiot for not knowing technology (reason for coming to your shop) and drive them away.
 
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bobcomer said:
Amazingly simple, it worked before 13.2.
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And almost every other drive still does. So why would Apple target a few specific models? It sure could be their fault, but there might as well be some firmware shenanigans going on in the drives. It wouldn’t be the first time a device bends a standard only to be caught out when another vendor updates something.
 
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