Stop this nuisance: It is the alt/option key depending on the Mac keyboard generation you are using.
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Interesting comment. You are supposedly an expert on the OCLP subject, yet you take objection to my dislike of using the term ALT key (only very old Apple keyboards have that) rather than the fact that the prior post said holding down the Option key at boot up would bypass OpenCore. Calling that objection to using an old out-of-date term a nuisance - a person or thing causing inconvenience or annoyance - rather than objecting to someone posting misinformation like that is, well biased at least and it could be considered negligent, considering your position on this forum as an expert. May I suggest you take a look at your priorities? "Stop the nuisance" indeed.
Check out recent Apple keyboards which are apparently available in a number of different language layouts. Guess you have not seen all of them, have two of them here on my desk, model A1644 - which is according to your standards very old. So much about nuisance ...you expert!
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I have never said or implied that I am an expert regarding Macs or OCLP for that matter.
You have constantly come across as that "expert".
And again you harp on the term Alt, yet continue to ignore what should be your area of expertise - the use of the Option key to bring up the OCLP boot picker - which that prior post said would bypass the Open Core function and prevent the Safe Mode boot.
Again, the Alt key versus the Option key usage is a minor point (although I believe the usage has shifted greatly towards Option in recent years. I don't have any keyboard with an Alt key, and I have some very old ones.
The issue that should be getting your attention is "the use of the Option key to bring up the OCLP boot picker" and helping that user to getting into the Safe mode boot! Stop the childish nuisance indeed "you expert," to borrow part of your elevated language. Ah enough, you and I will never see eye to eye. While I can't say your right, Alt is OK I can truthfully say you have definitely lost what little respect I had for your expertise with this interesting exchange.
It started with Alt, now blocking is the only Option. It is saturday, are you by any chance drunk? I am not interested in your elongated and ridiculous posts about keys and your particular opinion about me. You are ín no position to judge me, but you made quite successfully and fast a fool out of yourself. There was never an exchange, you are simply a sink, no source. And I never asked for your respect, what would this be worth? Nothing!
One user and a lot of awesome posts less to care about, you all know the drill...
Hello Good People,
Do these newer OS's handle memory differently that may allow for us being able to add additional memory?
Any creative and constructive feedback is appreciated.
Thanks!
Do these newer OS's handle memory differently that may allow for us being able to add additional memory?
Any creative and constructive feedback is appreciated.
Thanks!
That is simply not true. Many apple keyboards include the Alt/option key. It´s the same one.
OCLP can be installed on 2008 macs and you are talking about old keyboards?? xD
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Even this old keyboard seems to have the alt/opt key.
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Let me be more precise. Reboot. Hold alt key. All available bootvolumes including OCLP patched EFIs should pop up. You choose the EFI, then the actual bootvolume. Hold Shift and enter. Where does the bootprocess gets stuck?
Oh, please excuse me sire. It's officially called "Option (or Alt) ⌥" on a real Mac (and I am pretty sure you knew that since "alt" stands for "alternative" - as in "option"…). To be clear, I have an American Apple Keyboard and it says both, "option" and "alt" on that key! So yes: I can hold alt on my real iMac, duhhh!
The scenario you are describing is only true if OpenCore is not installed already (which is not the case for the user having issues with 14.2!).
BUT if OpenCore is installed in the Mac's EFI folder (as in this user's case), you definitely have to hold OPTION/ALT to switch back to Apple's Boot Loader! If you don't believe me, hold Option during start and try to boot an unsupported macOS from there if OC is installed…
In fact: I didn't suggest to hold ALT/OPTION to boot into safe mode, I said: "So (=since OC is installed already) you need to boot into Safe Mode from within OpenCore by holding Shift and pressing Enter." But apparently, you didn't have the patience to read this second sentence as well…
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Hello all.
I was finally able to solve the problem by following the steps in the video from Jessie's Flying channel
I added the Terminal commands shown in the video to mount the MacOS drive, and installed the KDK for version 14.1.1. and I was able to boot Sonoma and update it to version 14.1.1.
My Mac is a Mac Pro 2013 trashcan and my keyboard is a windows keyboard.
Thank you very much to everyone for your help.
I have upgraded to Monterey, Ventura and now Sonoma on six of my family's older Macs (3 non-Metal Terascale 2 iMacs and 4 Metal capable Macs). The Metal Macs are doing well and the non-Metal iMacs have also been running surprisingly well.
With Sonoma 14.1.1 and OCLP 1.2.1 on my iMac 2011 27 non-Metal, things generally work well. Of course, Maps, Find My and e.g iMove have troubles. Apple TV+ can show trailers, but crash shortly after a show is selected and starts playing. Not so much of a worry though even if it would be nice to watch shows on the big iMac 27.
Now Photos became unusable. First it crashed, but it was fixed in recent OCLP-release, but there are still problems. It's possible to overview all photos in the thumbnail view, but when selecting a photo for review, the app window shows just an empty space. I can watch video clips, pressing play in the empty app window, that works, memories works and faces works. Since I can't view photos other than thumbnails, It's not workable anymore.
I tested Photos on the other iMac 2011 (a 21,5 non-Metal) with Ventura 13.1 and OCLP 0.6.x. Photos app worked great in that configuration. I upgraded to 13.6.1 and OCLP 1.2.1 and I got the same faulty Photos app as with the other iMac on Sonoma.
I am of course thankful for OCLP as such and all the voluntary efforts behind it. It's great. I have a workaround for these machines where I make a web app of iCloud Photos page and use instead for now and I have other Macs that can handle Photos. I know I could install newer GPU's, but given the age of the Macs, it's a bit of a stretch.
I noticed that in this forum thread there are others that have encountered this as well. So are there are any ideas for how to solve this by some setting, or is there maybe a hope for a solution in a later verison of OCLP? Or is this maybe a change in the underlying setup of Photos app e.g. like in Find My and Maps that technically leaves non-Metal Terascale 2 behind?
Any ideas appreciated, thanks.
With Sonoma 14.1.1 and OCLP 1.2.1 on my iMac 2011 27 non-Metal, things generally work well. Of course, Maps, Find My and e.g iMove have troubles. Apple TV+ can show trailers, but crash shortly after a show is selected and starts playing. Not so much of a worry though even if it would be nice to watch shows on the big iMac 27.
Now Photos became unusable. First it crashed, but it was fixed in recent OCLP-release, but there are still problems. It's possible to overview all photos in the thumbnail view, but when selecting a photo for review, the app window shows just an empty space. I can watch video clips, pressing play in the empty app window, that works, memories works and faces works. Since I can't view photos other than thumbnails, It's not workable anymore.
I tested Photos on the other iMac 2011 (a 21,5 non-Metal) with Ventura 13.1 and OCLP 0.6.x. Photos app worked great in that configuration. I upgraded to 13.6.1 and OCLP 1.2.1 and I got the same faulty Photos app as with the other iMac on Sonoma.
I am of course thankful for OCLP as such and all the voluntary efforts behind it. It's great. I have a workaround for these machines where I make a web app of iCloud Photos page and use instead for now and I have other Macs that can handle Photos. I know I could install newer GPU's, but given the age of the Macs, it's a bit of a stretch.
I noticed that in this forum thread there are others that have encountered this as well. So are there are any ideas for how to solve this by some setting, or is there maybe a hope for a solution in a later verison of OCLP? Or is this maybe a change in the underlying setup of Photos app e.g. like in Find My and Maps that technically leaves non-Metal Terascale 2 behind?
Any ideas appreciated, thanks.
Any help with MBP 11,4 upgrade to Sonoma? I've tried everything to include holding down "shift" when trying to load. I get as far as loading Sonoma. When system restarts I get the status bar and it hangs.
Safe boot is a standard way to get past that. Try that if you have not already.
All the apps you mentioned require metal support to work properly. I have an iMac11,3 with a TeraScale 2 GPU as well, so I noticed these issues in Maps and Logic Pro. You could check archive.org for non-metal versions of apps and see they still work. Otherwise, I guess we either have to wait and hope for another workaround or upgrade the GPU.
There will be no solution for this problem other than upgrading the GPU. When you have apps compiled to use the metal API you need metal hardware support. Since Apple does not provide source code for Maps and Logic Pro we cannot even recompile it to use OpenGL.
Some third party apps allow to manually select the rendering method, pick OpenGL if this is an option in the third party apps preferences.
Peace, my brothers, we are ALL on the same team, yall.
Thanks, but my question was about Apple Photos which have worked fine on Terascale 2 non-Metal iMacs until recently (except some smaller artifacts).
Actually, the initial question was about Apple Photos that stopped crashing in Sonoma thanks to updated OCLP, but actual photos can not be displayed anymore, just a blank app window when clicking on a thumbnail. Apple Photos worked in Ventura 13.3 with OCLP 0.6.x, but not in Sonoma 14.1.1 eith OCLP 1.2.1.
The latest OCLP has been released before Apple published 14.1, 14.1.1, and 13.6.1 - guess you left the world of OCLP supported macOS versions. 1.2.1 was only a bug fix release, nothing related to patching has been changed there. Guess swimming behind the swarm is a more successful strategy than moving in front and running into all kind of software problems.
My suggestion:
- Find an alternative to Apple Photos or stay on Big Sur.
- Right-click your Photo-Library and select "Show Package Contents"
- Find the "originals and "resources/derivates" folder. One of them contains all your pictures.
- Copy them elsewhere
- Move on
Thanks, I didn't ask for this either (with reference to my original posting). As I wrote, I have other Macs and the workaround on this specific iMac is to create a webapp of iCloud Photos instead.
The question was if others have encountered the Apple Photos problem with empty app window when clicking on a thumbnail and if there are any known stettings or fixes for it for now.