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I recently rescued some old Macs from the glue factory, which provided an opportunity to play with OCLP, in a non-mission critical way, with both Ventura and Sonoma.

I did a fair bit of reading before choosing OS versions, and the common sentiment is that Ventura is the best option of the currently supported OSes, but contrary to that, my experience is that Sonoma runs better than Ventura on the 2012 hardware I tried, albeit both with i7s that support hyper-threading. Clean installs from USB to reformatted drives.

Ventura on a 2012 MBA (i7, 8GB, SSD) was a janky experience, and felt very much like putting a 3-year old OS on a 12-year old machine. Launchpad is often ignored, but I do use it on occasion so I like to configure it, and that was a poor experience; full of lag, especially with folders, and painful to set up. Overall, general tasks were OK, but small hitches in the UX and overall responsiveness were what one might expect from a hack. Subjectively, useable, at best; the level of some of the plaudits expresses are generous, IMO.

The other machine is an i7 mini server (16GB), so I aimed higher for it, with Sonoma from the start. The OCLP install process failed to install both the app and the patches, but after applying them retroactively, the machine ran surprisingly well. Minimal jank, enough responsiveness to feel modern, and Launchpad works without issue. Surprising since both machines have the same GPU. Only time when it feels its age is when the random disk accesses occur, and that's because it's running on the original spinning drives, not an SSD. With an SSD, I suspect it would hide its age quite well. Of course, that's with the age old trick of disabling the increased amounts of eye candy in more recent OSes. If I end up with a spare SSD, I'd probably install it for duty as a boot drive.

That experience prompted me to junk Ventura on the MBA, install Sonoma (without a hitch), and reach the same conclusion -- Sonoma runs better, despite half the cores and half the RAM of the mini. Unexpected, but I'll take it.

I set both up with dual- and triple-boot volumes, with Sonoma, Mojave, and Catalina, so they do have some flexibility and enough utility to avoid the landfill. Suitable for general home use, and a little work has provided some capable backup machines.

I still spend a lot of time in Mojave, and Catalina, other than being the official end-of-the-line for those models, doesn't bring much to the table to me, and loses the valuable ability to run 32-bit apps, so I might reclaim that space, and maybe try Sequoia once it "fully" matures.

Thanks to the OCLP folks, and those like Mr. Macintosh for their guideance.
 
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From what I've seen there was some version of Safari that broke webgl and the cloudflare captcha. If you upgrade to that version or later on Ventura, Sonoma, or Sequoia it will be broken. I think it was sometime around the 18.0 or 18.1 timeframe. I believe the exact version was posted on these forums somewhere, but I forgot what it was.

If you want to use safari you either have to stick with the working version and not upgrade past it, or you can run an older Tech Preview version of Safari. That's what I do. I posted about it earlier in this thread.

Maybe we'll get lucky at some point and it will start working again in a future update, but at this point I think it's low probability. So we either have to stick with older versions, use and alternate browser, or use the older tech preview.

Thank You. With iPhone, password and Syned Tabs it is still too much hassle to move to alternate browser. Let's see if Cloudflare could update their tools instead.
 
I have installed Sonoma and then Sequoia on my MacBook Air 2017, MacbookPro mid 2015 and iMac 2015 using OCLP. Most things seem to work ok but having problems with the graphics on NIK collection ver7 on my MBP dual graphics laptop. I have tried opening the apps on their own and from within Photoshop and have updated to latest version but still they do not work has anyone had experience of this or able to suggest a work around?
 
I did a fair bit of reading before choosing OS versions, and the common sentiment is that Ventura is the best option of the currently supported OSes
@TheIntruder By “currently supported OSes” do you mean supported by OCLP, or supported by Apple?

Because Apple definitely doesn’t support macOS Ventura anymore. Only Sonoma and Sequoia.

I have a Late 2012 Mac mini (quad-core Core i7) and Sonoma 14.7.4 seems to run pretty well on it. I’m using an external Thunderbolt 1 SSD as my boot volume. No obvious glitches while running, I have had issues where the external SSD was not ‘seen’ at boot time, and some graphics issues that were mostly addressed by the root patches in OCLP 2.3.2.
 
Smooth upgrade from Sonoma 14.7.5 -> 14.7.6 and Safari 18.4 -> 18.5 on my HackBookPro6,2 (non-metal Nvidia Tesla). Applying post-install patches with OCLP 2.2.0. Posting this with Safari 18.5. All good for my limited use of this museum piece :)

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@TheIntruder By “currently supported OSes” do you mean supported by OCLP, or supported by Apple?

Because Apple definitely doesn’t support macOS Ventura anymore. Only Sonoma and Sequoia.

As opposed to its stance on hardware status, Apple's (infuriatingly unstated) policy is to support the current OS, plus the last two versions.

Ventura 13.7.5 was issued less than a month-and-a-half ago, and 13.7.6 was issued today.
 
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As opposed to its stance on hardware status, Apple's (infuriatingly unstated) policy is to support the current OS, plus the last two versions.

Ventura 13.7.5 was issued less than a month-and-a-half ago, and 13.7.6 was issued today.
Mea culpa. Our IT folks at my work had drilled it into my head that only the current and previous OS were well and truly supported.
 
@TheIntruder By “currently supported OSes” do you mean supported by OCLP, or supported by Apple?

Because Apple definitely doesn’t support macOS Ventura anymore. Only Sonoma and Sequoia.

I have a Late 2012 Mac mini (quad-core Core i7) and Sonoma 14.7.4 seems to run pretty well on it. I’m using an external Thunderbolt 1 SSD as my boot volume. No obvious glitches while running, I have had issues where the external SSD was not ‘seen’ at boot time, and some graphics issues that were mostly addressed by the root patches in OCLP 2.3.2.
Hi, @Riot Nrrrd! First of all, you're not wrong about Sonoma as it's the last mature macOS before Apple started to fundamentally revolutionise the entire System, especially suitable for silicon Macs, to experiment with integrating AI features, incompatible with Intel Macs.

Ventura, therefore, was a transition between the solid Monterey (which up to one version still had all the drivers for all Mac hardware, etc.) and the new features in view of Sonoma and Sequoia; which are almost the same, but Sequoia is not as stable with older Macs compared to Sonoma, although it seems as smooth and snappy as Sonoma. (You can also read my posts on the thread regarding Sequoia and unsupported Macs).

As for the fact that some Macs sometimes refuse to boot from external disks, it could be due to the (little known) fact that some USB ports have a DFU function or are dedicated to Apple test tools. Search the Internet for this and their layout on the Mac.
It could also depend on the reduced power of some ports.
You can try changing ports or using a HUB whose stability and speed you are sure of.

In my case, for example, Bluetooth does not work at Mac start-up (so Apple's Magic devices do not work) when a device not formatted with APFS is connected to the ports on the back of my iMac, but also if there are multiple devices connected on the back. On the contrary, Bluetooth at Mac start-up works if I connect some devices (even exFAT or JHFS+) to an old Amazon Basic USB 3.0 HUB. But be careful because there are HUBs whose connected devices disconnect sometimes for no reason, other times if they are under stress or when the Mac goes into standby.

Perhaps many people have never noticed this problem because they do not use OCLP and do not use FileVault, which requires the password at start-up, before loading the entire operating system. Or they have a wired mouse and keyboard. In this case, disks plugged in at the back do not cause any problems for Bluetooth when the Mac starts up. Whereas if you have Apple's Magic wireless devices (mouse, keyboard and trackpad), it becomes impossible to start Recovery Utilities or install OCLP EFIBoot or reset NVRAM or enter the FileVault password or press OPTION to select an internal or external boot disk, etc.
Conversely, if nothing needs to be done at start-up, the Mac gets to the Login password screen or directly to the Desktop without any problems and everything seems to work.
So I also assume that Bluetooth requires more power at start-up and hangs if there are multiple devices connected to the Mac, but also if there is only one not formatted in APFS (maybe APFS draws less power?... It might).
 
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