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macOS 15: All The Little Things

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Sptzz said:
Yeah no. lol

M3 Max here. Sequoia takes much longer to boot from shutdown. If you try to use double click to "Fill", double click, it maximizes the window, then you have to actually drag the window instead of double clicking again (which is a NATURAL to do... Apple again) and the frame drops are out of this world when the window resizes to the original size.

Overall performance is exactly the same as in Sonoma. Aka, it doesn't feel like 120hz feels on a Windows machine. There's jittery / frame drops on animations at random times or events.
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Looks fine here on an M1Max MBP. 11 seconds to the login prompt from shutdown.

Also the "Fill" is a new addition. I don't really see the point but maybe it works for some people.

Fill was not the default on a fresh install and the old option to toggle between zoomed and unzoomed still works fine.

No frame drops or animation issues resizing, moving or activating the window tiling stuff.

Maybe it's a problem with your machine.
 
Apologies if not new, but does Print Centre have a new Dock icon?

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Yeah I believe it was white/really light grey with a dark grey depressed printer symbol. A bit similar in style to the Screenshot icon come to think of it.

Ever since macOS Big Sur I still don't really know how to feel about the "new" square icons. Some are 3D with heavy drop shadow, 3D with light drop shadow, others have low insets/depressed symbols and then you have the almost fully flat ones. Style-wise the app icons just seem to lack cohesion. After 5 iterations I'd expect the set to be more polished than this really.
 
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Rkuda said:
Looks fine here on an M1Max MBP. 11 seconds to the login prompt from shutdown.

Also the "Fill" is a new addition. I don't really see the point but maybe it works for some people.

Fill was not the default on a fresh install and the old option to toggle between zoomed and unzoomed still works fine.

No frame drops or animation issues resizing, moving or activating the window tiling stuff.

Maybe it's a problem with your machine.
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There's a few threads here about this. It's smooth most of the time but a lot of times there's tons of frame drops / jitters, it feels like it's a software optimization thing. Like using low clocked e-cores or something. Same thing with browsing, only Firefox is 100% smooth, otherwise Chrome, Safari, Edge, all are a terrible experience and cause youtube audio to skip / stutter when moving through tabs.

Few examples (Sonoma):

Jittery/Stuttery scrolling:



https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-YlqABjMWHX_KS7YRb-_HLkGxBAXAxp-/view?pli=1 (this video isnt mine but similar behavior)

Audio Skipping / Stuttering on scrolling (Fixed by moving to Firefox):

 
Not sure what I'm looking at or what app that is. I can however scroll just fine in Safari while watching a YouTube video. No stuttering while scrolling or audio skipping. I own a base M1 Pro 14-inch MacBook Pro.
 
not sure I will ever use iphone mirroring after this but ...

it is another baby step toward the iphone also acting as one's desktop computer.
 
I've been using a Mac full-time since 2003 and always adored the genie minimization effect. In macOS Sequoia it seems somehow... different? Not sure if they increased its speed or it's something else.

Also the behavior of the original Zoom window control button (+) seems to have changed. In previous Mac OS X/OS X/macOS versions it would scale the window to fit the content rather than making it fill the screen (like on Windows). What I always hated was that if you moved or resized the window by only a pixel, it would forget the original smaller window size. That was always so frustrating that I stopped using Zoom.
So I'm honestly not sure if the following is new with macOS Sequoia: but right now the Zoom wil always make the window fill-up all available desktop space (like maximize on Windows). Pressing the button again doesn't do anything (kinda weird). But when dragging the window it'll always revert back to its original smaller size. Which is a welcome change.

Also when dragging a file onto one of the Finder sidebar icons, the icon (Documents per example) will do a small pop animation.

Anyway, has somebody else noticed these things? Was it already like this in macOS Sonoma (or even earlier)? I'm suddenly noticing multiple small little quirks that make macOS Sequoia one of the most interesting (in a funny way) macOS releases in a while to me. I'm just not sure if it's actually new. 😅
 
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n-evo said:
I've been using a Mac full-time since 2003 and always adored the genie minimization effect. In macOS Sequoia it seems somehow... different? Not sure if they increased its speed or it's something else.

Also the behavior of the original Zoom window control button (+) seems to have changed. In previous Mac OS X/OS X/macOS versions it would scale the window to fit the content rather than making it fill the screen (like on Windows). What I always hated was that if you moved or sized the window by only a fraction, it would forget the original smaller window size. That was always so frustrating that I stopped using it. So I'm not sure if this is new with Sequoia: but right now the Zoom wil always make the window fill up all available desktop space (like on Windows). Pressing the button again doesn't do anything (kinda weird), but when dragging the window it'll revert back to its original smaller size. Which is a welcome change.

Also when dragging a file onto one of the Finder sidebar icons, the icon (Documents per example) will do a small pop animation.

Has somebody else noticed these things? Or was it already like this in macOS Sonoma (or even earlier)? I'm suddenly noticing all these small little quirks that make macOS Sequoia one of the most interesting (in a funny way) macOS releases in a while to me. I'm just not sure if these things are actually new. 😅
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I'm using Zoom, just double clicked on Mail, maximized to as much screen real estate as possible (as it did in Sonoma), double clicking it again does nothing and dragging it also does nothing though.

If you use Fill though, dragging it from "maximized" will change it back to the previous size. But doesnt seem to work on everything (discord for example)
 
n-evo said:
I've been using a Mac full-time since 2003 and always adored the genie minimization effect. In macOS Sequoia it seems somehow... different? Not sure if they increased its speed or it's something else.

Also the behavior of the original Zoom window control button (+) seems to have changed. In previous Mac OS X/OS X/macOS versions it would scale the window to fit the content rather than making it fill the screen (like on Windows). What I always hated was that if you moved or sized the window by only a fraction, it would forget the original smaller window size. That was always so frustrating that I stopped using it. So I'm not sure if this is new with Sequoia: but right now the Zoom wil always make the window fill up all available desktop space (like on Windows). Pressing the button again doesn't do anything (kinda weird), but when dragging the window it'll revert back to its original smaller size. Which is a welcome change.

Also when dragging a file onto one of the Finder sidebar icons, the icon (Documents per example) will do a small pop animation.

Has somebody else noticed these things? Or was it already like this in macOS Sonoma (or even earlier)? I'm suddenly noticing all these small little quirks that make macOS Sequoia one of the most interesting (in a funny way) macOS releases in a while to me. I'm just not sure if these things are actually new. 😅
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The genie window minimization animation does seem faster in Sequoia.
 
Sptzz said:
I'm using Zoom, just double clicked on Mail, maximized to as much screen real estate as possible (as it did in Sonoma), double clicking it again does nothing and dragging it also does nothing though.
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Thanks, I see what's going on now. The green window control button (+) isn't actually "Zoom" anymore. Its function has changed to the new "Fill" option. Zoom behavior in itself still exists and hasn't changed (and is still just as annoying as it always was to me).
 
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I have it running on three systems. Seems fine overall. Some things I've noticed:

It's aggressive on going full-screen or snapping which I find annoying.
Minor change to Music where you can't edit in the lines anymore - you have to edit in the Info form.
I came back to my laptop and it was warm which is unusual. I think that I had a webpage open which was using a fair amount of power. I removed the webpage and will check it again later on.
Average CPU usage at idle seems a bit lower than Sonoma.
Average RAM usage is higher - there may even be a memory leak.
 
I obviously can't do a scientific heads to heads. Not willing to reinstall Sonoma etc to test.

But it's 100% not placebo that some apps take a lot longer to open. In my case its Firefox, which used to open instantaneously in Sonoma, in Sequoia it bounces a few times, on a fresh boot from shutdown.
 
Sptzz said:
I obviously can't do a scientific heads to heads. Not willing to reinstall Sonoma etc to test.

But it's 100% not placebo that some apps take a lot longer to open. In my case its Firefox, which used to open instantaneously in Sonoma, in Sequoia it bounces a few times, on a fresh boot from shutdown.
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Firefox opens in less than one bounce after startup on my end.

The.316 said:
Is it better to do a clean install on my Mini M2 Pro, or just update from the Preferences?
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Honestly, I've been doing a fresh installation since ages. I dunno, but I just run into less issues this way. Not sure if it's preference files and other support files that carried over from the previous installation, but there always seems to be something annoying going on when I upgrade. In the end setting up my Mac as new takes me less time than tracking down where unexplained behavior originates from after an upgrade. Creating a bootable USB is easy as well.
 
n-evo said:
Firefox opens in less than one bounce after startup on my end.


Honestly, I've been doing a fresh installation since ages. I dunno, but I just run into less issues this way. Not sure if it's preference files and other support files that carried over from the previous installation, but there always seems to be something annoying going on when I upgrade. In the end setting up my Mac as new takes me less time than tracking down where unexplained behavior originates from after an upgrade. Creating a bootable USB is easy as well.
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I was asking because I have not had my M2 Pro that long, and it seems that some apps take a few seconds to open, like photoshop for example. I get the bouncing app, then it opens. And I thought it would be a bit faster and responsive, especially coming from an late 2009 i7 iMac.
 
The.316 said:
I was asking because I have not had my M2 Pro that long, and it seems that some apps take a few seconds to open, like photoshop for example. I get the bouncing app, then it opens. And I thought it would be a bit faster and responsive, especially coming from an late 2009 i7 iMac.
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What is your SSD size?
 
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