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MP 1,1-5,1 MacPro5,1: BootROM thread | 144.0.0.0.0
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Ok, I see what you meant by the first post then. Being a GTX and having installed Mojave once I didn't figure this was part of that bug, but thats my error-and its a fairly logical work-around. You're all over the site, so I know you are busy-thank you.
I talked this unpassant before into other threads, but never talked about this here.
Some time ago, a user got in contact with me about a Mac Pro that couldn't work with NVIDIA Titan cards. The user had 5+ MPs and Titan cards and one of the Mac Pros never detected the GPU, but the card worked into any other Mac Pros and the Mac Pro worked perfectly with GT120 and AMD GPUs. Since this was a weird one, I asked for the BootROM dump to analyse it.
I found that the 1st and 2nd streams were almost full and with a weird binary blob into it. I extracted the LBSN_BD sector and all the hardwareIDs, injected into the generic 140.0.0.0.0 and the user flashed the reconstructed BootROM into the problematic Mac Pro. With the reconstructed BootROM, the Titan card worked. I was surprised and thought that was just a fluke.
After that, 3 different users got into contact about Titan GPUs, 2 of them had the same NVRAM problem and the reconstructed BootROM worked, with just one the problem was with the backplane.
So, if you have video not working with high-end NVIDIA GPUs, maybe your problem is related to 1st/2nd stream corruption of the NVRAM.
Another thing, this problem seems more common with earlier MP4,1, the ones with Base_17/18/19, but one Mac Pro was a mid-2012 made late 2013, one of the last ones.
Edit:
Since people with MP3,1 are asking about this, the MP5,1 corrective procedure is not applicable or even possible with a MP3,1 since Apple split MP3,1 BootROM with two flash memories and AFAIK, it's not possible to reconstruct a MP3,1 BootROM correctly with the current tools available outside Apple.
For future reference, MP3,1 have two flash memories for the BootROM:
Some time ago, a user got in contact with me about a Mac Pro that couldn't work with NVIDIA Titan cards. The user had 5+ MPs and Titan cards and one of the Mac Pros never detected the GPU, but the card worked into any other Mac Pros and the Mac Pro worked perfectly with GT120 and AMD GPUs. Since this was a weird one, I asked for the BootROM dump to analyse it.
I found that the 1st and 2nd streams were almost full and with a weird binary blob into it. I extracted the LBSN_BD sector and all the hardwareIDs, injected into the generic 140.0.0.0.0 and the user flashed the reconstructed BootROM into the problematic Mac Pro. With the reconstructed BootROM, the Titan card worked. I was surprised and thought that was just a fluke.
After that, 3 different users got into contact about Titan GPUs, 2 of them had the same NVRAM problem and the reconstructed BootROM worked, with just one the problem was with the backplane.
So, if you have video not working with high-end NVIDIA GPUs, maybe your problem is related to 1st/2nd stream corruption of the NVRAM.
Another thing, this problem seems more common with earlier MP4,1, the ones with Base_17/18/19, but one Mac Pro was a mid-2012 made late 2013, one of the last ones.
Edit:
Since people with MP3,1 are asking about this, the MP5,1 corrective procedure is not applicable or even possible with a MP3,1 since Apple split MP3,1 BootROM with two flash memories and AFAIK, it's not possible to reconstruct a MP3,1 BootROM correctly with the current tools available outside Apple.
For future reference, MP3,1 have two flash memories for the BootROM:
- a TSOP-32 Firmware HUB memory (FWB) with the permanent part of the BootROM,
- a SOIC-8 SPI flash with the dynamic part of the BootROM, the NVRAM.
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Hi all,
I'm getting rid of my "old" CPUs. So to test my W3520 before sale (five pieces), I installed them on my 2010 cMP dual CPU. And that guy won't start. Running AHT reported a sensor error on CPU socket B. Tried with the five different CPUs on A and B sockets and still the same behavior. The cMP starts if only one CPU is installed in socket A. So I just putted back 2 E5620 and the problem is gone.
I've tested the 5 W3520 on my HP Z600 and they all work fine....
Can it be that bootrom 140.0.0.0.0 came with some CPU config restrictions?
I'm getting rid of my "old" CPUs. So to test my W3520 before sale (five pieces), I installed them on my 2010 cMP dual CPU. And that guy won't start. Running AHT reported a sensor error on CPU socket B. Tried with the five different CPUs on A and B sockets and still the same behavior. The cMP starts if only one CPU is installed in socket A. So I just putted back 2 E5620 and the problem is gone.
I've tested the 5 W3520 on my HP Z600 and they all work fine....
Can it be that bootrom 140.0.0.0.0 came with some CPU config restrictions?
You can't use W Xeons into dual trays, only X.
Technically you can boot with one W into CPU-A, but SMC will be crazy.
Yes, fans run like crazy.
ok, so there is a logical explanation. Thanks
BTW, E xeons are running with no hassle
Full Mac App Store Mojave installer updated to 10.14.2 already available https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/macos-mojave/id1398502828?mt=12
Build is 18C54.
[doublepost=1544035685][/doublepost]10.14.2 final has the same 140.0.0.0.0 as 10.14.1DP3.
Build is 18C54.
[doublepost=1544035685][/doublepost]10.14.2 final has the same 140.0.0.0.0 as 10.14.1DP3.
Code:
$IBIOSI$ MP51.88Z.F000.B00.1809191555
Apple ROM Version
Model: MP51
EFI Version: 140.0.0.0.0
Date: Wed Sep 19 15:49:52 2018
Build Type: ReleaseApple already published the security content for the updates released today:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209341
Btw, now can say RIP El Capitan for sure.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209341
Btw, now can say RIP El Capitan for sure.
Actually not quite true. I posted the below a number of years ago:
It's not the "W" or the "X" that's at issue it's the leading "3" vs "5"
Lou
Ok, but you can't use two W3xxx Xeons into a dual tray either way, only one I/O bus.
I never tried any AMD cards, but essentially this is all correct. tsialex is god
Is Anybody else not getting Mojave updates thru Software Update?
With 10.14.1 i had to grab the combo update manually and looks like with 10.14.2 i'll have to do the same.
It did however grab some updates for FCPX a few weeks ago so it is talking to Apple servers. I even reset it to default incase it wasn't.
Help !!
With 10.14.1 i had to grab the combo update manually and looks like with 10.14.2 i'll have to do the same.
It did however grab some updates for FCPX a few weeks ago so it is talking to Apple servers. I even reset it to default incase it wasn't.
Help !!
If you forced HFS+, updates don't work anymore. Don't know anything else that block updates if you have a standard install.
Ahhhh yes i am HFS+ instead of APFS on my RAID boot drive.
Very interesting how it all works now..In the AppStore i found Mojave and i clicked on 'Get' and it triggered the Software Update.
What about Safari and iTunes updates will the newer versions all be in this combo update ?
Very interesting how it all works now..In the AppStore i found Mojave and i clicked on 'Get' and it triggered the Software Update.
What about Safari and iTunes updates will the newer versions all be in this combo update ?
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Some people says that APFS can't be trusted, that drive/file rescue tools don't work anymore, RAID, etc…
Personally, I never understood why someone didn't trust APFS but trusted Mojave…
Some people still suffer from slow boot issue when using APFS + TRIM enabled.
Hi Alex,
In my dedicated research to mitigate Apples controlled product obsolescence, I came across an interesting question for you regarding the Nvidia GT 680 Mac Edition.
The original EVGA Mac Version came with only 2 GB Video Ram. By flashing PC cards it was possible to have 680 cards with 4GB Video Ram like the classified version.
Now here is the question of interest: The last Nvidia Quadro K5000 Mac Edition has 4GB of Video Ram. However, -what many may don't know, Nvidia introduced a pimped up K5000 later on which was coined the K5200 - with a whopping 8 GB Ram. What is your opinion on the risk, getting a K5200 Quadro and flash it with a K5000 EFI bios - to have 8BG Video Ram.
I full heartedly understand that the GPU-CPU is the same and that the K5000 is kind of boring to start with, but I almost dont see any other option except changing to a Vega64. My Pixlas Mod Power cable is on its way, however I just found out that Apple gimped various (if not all) encoding features in Mojave 10.14.1 to intentionally gimp 5.1 customers. This means a move into a VEGA64 Szenario is not attractive.
My new solution is to get a Nvidia Quadro K5200 with 8GB Video Ram working in Mojave, (to have Bootscreen & Bootcamp) and put my current 980Ti in a PCIe expansion box (Netstor Turbo Box3 211A) as booster for Resolve.
To sum it up:
- Nvidia Quadro 5200 flashing with K5000 EFI (Yes/No & Your opinion on risk)
- Nvidia Quadro on Mojave (Bootscreen avialable, -> will Bootcamp still work Yes/No)
- Nvidia EVGA 980Ti as Cuda / Resolve booster in PCIe expansion box -> can the booster be used in Mac and/or PC games or would its use be restricted to Pro Apps only such as Resolve?
Compared to an AMD Szenario, how bad is Apples Gimping on the VEGA64, deleting encoding features in Mojave 10.14.1 +++
I figured, since your experience is exceptional in this area, you might consider the question worth your time on the Quadro 5200.
Both are Keppler cards with a 2-year space in between. Check out the comparison chart:
https://technical.city/en/video/Quadro-K5200-vs-Quadro-K5000
The PCB layout should be same just as the display ports.
Thanks in advance, Alex!
Hi Alex,
In my dedicated research to mitigate Apples controlled product obsolescence, I came across an interesting question for you regarding the Nvidia GT 680 Mac Edition.
The original EVGA Mac Version came with only 2 GB Video Ram. By flashing PC cards it was possible to have 680 cards with 4GB Video Ram like the classified version.
Now here is the question of interest: The last Nvidia Quadro K5000 Mac Edition has 4GB of Video Ram. However, -what many may don't know, Nvidia introduced a pimped up K5000 later on which was coined the K5200 - with a whopping 8 GB Ram. What is your opinion on the risk, getting a K5200 Quadro and flash it with a K5000 EFI bios - to have 8BG Video Ram.
I full heartedly understand that the GPU-CPU is the same and that the K5000 is kind of boring to start with, but I almost dont see any other option except changing to a Vega64. My Pixlas Mod Power cable is on its way, however I just found out that Apple gimped various (if not all) encoding features in Mojave 10.14.1 to intentionally gimp 5.1 customers. This means a move into a VEGA64 Szenario is not attractive.
My new solution is to get a Nvidia Quadro K5200 with 8GB Video Ram working in Mojave, (to have Bootscreen & Bootcamp) and put my current 980Ti in a PCIe expansion box (Netstor Turbo Box3 211A) as booster for Resolve.
To sum it up:
- Nvidia Quadro 5200 flashing with K5000 EFI (Yes/No & Your opinion on risk)
- Nvidia Quadro on Mojave (Bootscreen avialable, -> will Bootcamp still work Yes/No)
- Nvidia EVGA 980Ti as Cuda / Resolve booster in PCIe expansion box -> can the booster be used in Mac and/or PC games or would its use be restricted to Pro Apps only such as Resolve?
Compared to an AMD Szenario, how bad is Apples Gimping on the VEGA64, deleting encoding features in Mojave 10.14.1 +++
I figured, since your experience is exceptional in this area, you might consider the question worth your time on the Quadro 5200.
Both are Keppler cards with a 2-year space in between. Check out the comparison chart:
https://technical.city/en/video/Quadro-K5200-vs-Quadro-K5000
The PCB layout should be same just as the display ports.
Thanks in advance, Alex!
If you flash a GTX 680 4GB with the 2GB firmware, the driver will only recognise 2GB of RAM, I tested this. The same thing will happen with Quadro.
Bootscreens works with Quadro, no problems. BootCamp is not supported with Mojave, so you will have to use 10.13.6 to prepare the BootCamp partition/dedicated disk or do it manually. The easiest way is to use a full SATA disk dedicated to BootCamp.
CUDA dedicated GPU is exactly as the stated, only apps that use CUDA will see it. So, if you use CUDA apps all day, it's worth, if it's not, maybe it's better to try another solution. Btw, you can't mix AMD + NVIDIA GPUs into Mojave.
I'm not betting into NVIDIA and Apple resolving this Mojave situation for now.
RX-580/VEGA cards has the same Mac Pro support that all other cards have. Encoding/decoding is not exposed by macOS like any other cards. So, the RX-580 exposing decoding like on iMac Pro was an "accident"…
Thanks, Much appreciated!
This means a flashed 4GB card with a 2GB EFI Rom will not give you a better or faster card with 4GB. This is depressing. But it makes the Quadro card even more interesting because it means it is the only Mac EFI Keppler card with 4GB.
Also most likely flashing a K5200 is most risky and not rewarding..
.. "an accident" ..
.. you should go into politics..
If I'll ever get a shot at Embraer in Brasil, I'll give you a call!
This means a flashed 4GB card with a 2GB EFI Rom will not give you a better or faster card with 4GB. This is depressing. But it makes the Quadro card even more interesting because it means it is the only Mac EFI Keppler card with 4GB.
Also most likely flashing a K5200 is most risky and not rewarding..
.. "an accident" ..
.. you should go into politics.. If I'll ever get a shot at Embraer in Brasil, I'll give you a call!
Thanks, Much appreciated!
This means a flashed 4GB card with a 2GB EFI Rom will not give you a better or faster card with 4GB. This is depressing. But it makes the Quadro card even more interesting because it means it is the only Mac EFI Keppler card with 4GB.
Also most likely flashing a K5200 is most risky and not rewarding..
.. "an accident" ..
If I'll ever get a shot at Embraer in Brasil, I'll give you a call!
No, I have a GTX 680 4GB working perfectly here. There's two 4GB firmwares for GTX 680, and there is a GTX 780 6GB that works too, at least two people have it here.
Embraer is a nice place to work, I have a old buddy from middle school that works there.
Perfect, we should meet for a business lunch one of those days in 2019...
Last question here for finding the ultimate Mojave solution:
- If I get a Quadro K5000 Mac edition in slot 1&2, it would give me Mojave capability. Check
- Moving my current Nvidia 980Ti in slot 3&4 with the Pixlas power cable should work as well. Check
- That leaves me with one open PCI slot (5) for an I/O Crest SP_Pex40129 card to move my two PCIe SSDs on there.
My USB card would need to be scraped, or going for an expensive netstor PCI expansion chassis.
In Windows, I guess I would have still the power of the 980Ti with the "right configuration" for games using the 980Ti
On the OSX side, I could Use the 980TI for Resolve in Mojave.
This might be better than a solo VEGA64 because of missing bootscreens and missing bootcamp and gimped apple encoding.
Do you think this config would be feasible, did I forget something?