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tsialex

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I have a 2009 4,1 that I upgraded to 5,1 via the usual firmware flash. I normally run Ubuntu on it, but I have a High Sierra disk that I can drop in for firmware updates.

I finally bought a Mojave compatible PC GPU (Nvidia GT 630 2 GB) so I could get on the NVMe train to perfomance!

I booted to HS and downloaded and ran the Mojave updater. It correctly says that I need to shutdown, hold the button until I see the lights flash or a long beep.

When I folllow these instructions, I wait and after a while (15-20s?) the power lights flash quickly, then more slowly, then stop and the CD-ROM opens. The beep never happens. But I've tried releasing as soon as the fast lights flash, or after.

In either case, the system sits with no video and no other apparent activity. I can wait 30-60 minutes and nothing happens. If I power it off and back on at this point, it boots twice and then I am back in the old OS and it still wants me to update the firmware.

Any ideas what might be happening? Thanks in advance.
Read here https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-bootrom-upgrade-instructions-thread.2142418/ it's a two step upgrade.
 
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bplein

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I'll give it a try. Thanks again for being so helpful in this thread and others.

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I'm going to start again fresh in the morning.

My system was already at MP51.0089.B00 if I recall correctly. I wasn't thinking this through and started the High Sierra 10.13.6 installer and it didn't trigger a firmware update.

I'll go through the instructions in close detail tomorrow and see what needs to be done. Maybe go all the way back to Sierra and move forward one at a time.

Time to sleep :)
 
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tsialex

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I'll give it a try. Thanks again for being so helpful in this thread and others.

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I'm going to start again fresh in the morning.

My system was already at MP51.0089.B00 if I recall correctly. I wasn't thinking this through and started the High Sierra 10.13.6 installer and it didn't trigger a firmware update.

I'll go through the instructions in close detail tomorrow and see what needs to be done. Maybe go all the way back to Sierra and move forward one at a time.

Time to sleep :)
Did you checked if your GT 630 is a Kepler or a Fermi GPU?

GT 630 have models with Fermi GPUs, rebranded GT 440, and those are not Mojave compatible. Look at wikipedia GeForce 600 list:

Screen Shot 2019-04-07 at 08.33.39.png


Windows GPU-Z will show exactly what your GPU is. Only Kepler GT630 (GK107/GK208-301-A1) models will work with Mojave.
 
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bplein

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Windows GPU-Z will show exactly what your GPU is. Only Kepler GT630 (GK107/GK208-301-A1) models will work with Mojave.

Thanks for the heads up on this. So it's possible for macOS Mojave installer to look at my card, and say it's supported, but for it to not be supported, correct?

I don't have any easy way to get Windows going. I'll fire it up under Ubuntu and see what I can pull from dmesg and other tools. I purchased it from MacVidCards as a Mojave-compatible card, and if it's not, I'll negotiate a return for another card. This one is a Fujitsu "NVIDIA GEFORCE GT630L 2GB LP"

Fujitsu advertised them as having 192 cores which would be the first one (which also matches the OEM status on that web page) so I think it should be good, but I'll verify.
[doublepost=1554654623][/doublepost]Oh, and mine has two display ports too. But OEM stuff is tricky, it's possible that they changed specs mid-life and those aren't well documented (and spidered by search engines). This thread is a wealth of knowledge, thanks again.
[doublepost=1554655325][/doublepost]lspci -vvv:
04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GT 630 OEM] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: PC Partner Limited / Sapphire Technology GK107 [GeForce GT 630 OEM]

[doublepost=1554655451][/doublepost]dmesg | grep MP5
[ 0.000000] DMI: Apple Inc. MacPro5,1/Mac-F221BEC8, BIOS MP51.88Z.0089.B00.1806081708 06/08/18
 
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flowrider

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I have a 2009 4,1 that I upgraded to 5,1 via the usual firmware flash. I normally run Ubuntu on it, but I have a High Sierra disk that I can drop in for firmware updates.

I finally bought a Mojave compatible PC GPU (Nvidia GT 630 2 GB) so I could get on the NVMe train to perfomance!

I booted to HS and downloaded and ran the Mojave updater. It correctly says that I need to shutdown, hold the button until I see the lights flash or a long beep.

When I folllow these instructions, I wait and after a while (15-20s?) the power lights flash quickly, then more slowly, then stop and the CD-ROM opens. The beep never happens. But I've tried releasing as soon as the fast lights flash, or after.

In either case, the system sits with no video and no other apparent activity. I can wait 30-60 minutes and nothing happens. If I power it off and back on at this point, it boots twice and then I am back in the old OS and it still wants me to update the firmware.

Any ideas what might be happening? Thanks in advance.

You have posted to the wrong thread. You may want to review this thread, and if still having issues post there:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mp5-1-what-you-have-to-do-to-upgrade-to-mojave.2142418/

Lou
 

SnakeCoils

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After upgrading the firmware of my 2009 MacPro (previously converted to 5.1) to the latest v141 I am experiencing serious issues with USB ports under Windows 7 and now I would like to go back to v140 (or also v138), what steps I should follow? I have tried to rename the firmware file inside the High Sierra Installer in the way described in the other thread of firmware downgrade to 4.1 but with no luck, the firmware update (downgrade) did not happen. Thanks in advance...
 
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After upgrading the firmware of my 2009 MacPro (previously converted to 5.1) to the latest v141 I am experiencing serious issues with USB ports under Windows 7 and now I would like to go back to v140 (or also v138), what steps I should follow? I have tried to rename the firmware file inside the High Sierra Installer in the way described in the other thread of firmware downgrade to 4.1 but with no luck, the firmware update (downgrade) did not happen. Thanks in advance...

I don't think this is a firmware issue. Do your USB ports work well in macOS.

I would discourage you from downgrading your firmware without investigating further. If you keep trying to downgrade it in the manner above, you may end up with a big silver brick on your desk.
 
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I don't think this is a firmware issue. Do your USB ports work well in macOS.

I would discourage you from downgrading your firmware without investigating further. If you keep trying to downgrade it in the manner above, you may end up with a big silver brick on your desk.

I agree but I have tried many suggestions found in the web about this issue and none worked, I can take the risk of a downgrade, all I need is the 140.0.0 firmware and follow the tsialex directions.
 

tsialex

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I agree but I have tried many suggestions found in the web about this issue and none worked, I can take the risk of a downgrade, all I need is the 140.0.0 firmware and follow the tsialex directions.
Downgrades are not possible after 1xx.0.0.0.0 firmwares unless via reconstruction.
 
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The Spirit

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i am on 140.0.0.0.0
now i would like to get to 141.0.0.0.0
my problem ist, that my boot drive is a nmve ssd which seems to give problems to upgrade teh bootrom.
so i tried to install 10.14.4 onto a spinning sata drive and boot from the sata drive.
my problem is now, if i want to install 10.14.4, i get at first the dialog to update my firmware, which is not possible with my nvme drive.
any idea how to get around this problem?
Thanks
 

cdf

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i am on 140.0.0.0.0
now i would like to get to 141.0.0.0.0
my problem ist, that my boot drive is a nmve ssd which seems to give problems to upgrade teh bootrom.
so i tried to install 10.14.4 onto a spinning sata drive and boot from the sata drive.
my problem is now, if i want to install 10.14.4, i get at first the dialog to update my firmware, which is not possible with my nvme drive.
any idea how to get around this problem?
Thanks

Perhaps you could install 10.14.3 on the hard disk first and run the 10.14.4 installer from there after removing the SSD.

I wasn't aware that NVMe drives posed a problem for firmware updates. However, I once had an issue because of an EFI partition that wouldn't mount (the installer would just hang instead of restarting the machine). I fixed the issue by recreating the partition with the excellent gdisk utility.
 

The Spirit

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Perhaps you could install 10.14.3 on the hard disk first and run the 10.14.4 installer from there after removing the SSD.

I wasn't aware that NVMe drives posed a problem for firmware updates. However, I once had an issue because of an EFI partition that wouldn't mount (the installer would just hang instead of restarting the machine). I fixed the issue by recreating the partition with the excellent gdisk utility.

Where can I get the full installer for 10.14.3?
 

bsbeamer

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NVMe is not the issue. Have updated firmware several times since 138 release while using NVMe boot. No issue with 141 install.

Search this thread/forum for the press and hold after beep suggestions I’ve posted previously. Can repost in few hours.
 

tsialex

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i am on 140.0.0.0.0
now i would like to get to 141.0.0.0.0
my problem ist, that my boot drive is a nmve ssd which seems to give problems to upgrade teh bootrom.
so i tried to install 10.14.4 onto a spinning sata drive and boot from the sata drive.
my problem is now, if i want to install 10.14.4, i get at first the dialog to update my firmware, which is not possible with my nvme drive.
any idea how to get around this problem?
Thanks
NVMe, or any PCIe drives, don't cause any troubles with MP5,1 efiflasher upgrades.

If you forced HFS+/RAID, you will have problems with any updates, tho.

I usually have 4 PCIe drives, today I have 6 and just did the 10.14.4 upgrade from 140.0.0.0.0 to test the stuttering audio problem.
 
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bsbeamer

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i am on 140.0.0.0.0
now i would like to get to 141.0.0.0.0
my problem ist, that my boot drive is a nmve ssd which seems to give problems to upgrade teh bootrom.
so i tried to install 10.14.4 onto a spinning sata drive and boot from the sata drive.
my problem is now, if i want to install 10.14.4, i get at first the dialog to update my firmware, which is not possible with my nvme drive.
any idea how to get around this problem?
Thanks

NVMe is not the issue. Have updated firmware several times since 138 release while using NVMe boot. No issue with 141 install.

Search this thread/forum for the press and hold after beep suggestions I’ve posted previously. Can repost in few hours.

See post #3115 in this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...to-141-0-0-0-0.2132317/page-125#post-27225986
 

joebclash

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10.14.4 final has 141.0.0.0.0 and work with W3xxx Xeons.

I upgraded to 10.14.4 using system update in system preferences. I had to do PRAM reset to get it to boot and now I'm on 10.14.4 but my firmware is still 140.0.0.0.0. Did I do something wrong?
 

flowrider

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^^^^Yes, you won't get the updated Boot ROM without utilizing the complete 10.14.4 OS Installer. That contains the Boot Rom. To do that, you need to go into your Applications folder and remove the "Install macOS Mojave" OS Installer. Then go to the App Store and download the full installer.

Lou
 
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