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MP 1,1-5,1 MacPro5,1: BootROM thread | 144.0.0.0.0
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Some iMac models are without bootcamp support as well. Stick with 10.13.6 to keep everything running "as-is" or upgrade to stay with current OS, but make tradeoffs.
Will be interesting to see what GPU(s) the MacPro7,1 supports and HOW they are supported. UEFI makes most sense logically, but probably not monetarily...
Some iMac models are without bootcamp support as well. Stick with 10.13.6 to keep everything running "as-is" or upgrade to stay with current OS, but make tradeoffs.
Will be interesting to see what GPU(s) the MacPro7,1 supports and HOW they are supported. UEFI makes most sense logically, but probably not monetarily...
It is a 9 years-old machine. Let that sink and then rethink your comment....
Are you defending them?
I know how old the machine is. I have two of them.
Point is they gave us new firmware but impaired some key functionality when they could have done a little more work and completed the task.
I think saying Apple are scumbags is fair.
[doublepost=1537836257][/doublepost]There is a spreadsheet going round that would be helpful if people could fill out once they have installed Mojave on their machines.
The boot picker is core Mac functionality from the very earliest days of OS X. If you use Boot Camp with Mojave, the boot picker is practically essential to return to macOS after being in Windows.
If you don't care about it, fine. But that doesn't mean it's not important to other users. My gripe is that Apple is not making sufficiently clear to cMP owners that they are losing all of this functionality before they upgrade to Mojave.
Ok according to the big Apple :
https://www.apple.com/macos/how-to-upgrade/
"Boot Camp
Allows Boot Camp installations of Windows 10 on supported Mac models"
So all we need is a bootcamp driver from MP6.1 (which most of you probably have), and boot camp should work from Windows 10 to Mojave.
https://www.apple.com/macos/how-to-upgrade/
"Boot Camp
Allows Boot Camp installations of Windows 10 on supported Mac models"
So all we need is a bootcamp driver from MP6.1 (which most of you probably have), and boot camp should work from Windows 10 to Mojave.
Ok, so let me ask you. Would you be happier (or less angry towards apple) if they have not released Mojave for cMPs at all? I mean nobody is forcing you to update to Mojave. It is completely up to you.
Your question is MOOT because Apple HAS released Mojave and 138.0.0.0.xxxx firmware for the 5,1. So they ARE "Supporting" the cMP 5,1.
So, the question begs as mentioned before. Why the half assed support?...
You name me a core function of macOS that you use every day and then I will ask you the same question.
I hate being the off-topic guy, but please, Apple decisions about what to support is totally off-topic. Open another thread and move this discussion, this thread is specific to discuss BootROM issues. A lot of good threads here derailed, let's keep on topic.
If it is a core function that you use every day, rely on it and it is no longer present in the latest release of macOS... then why update? again it is not an obligation. Hell I still have a couple 2009 cMPs on Snow Leopard because support for some software and interfaces was dropped in later releases...You name me a core function of macOS that you use every day and then I will ask you the same question.
Mate you are way outnumbered I can safely say. Anyone who call's themselves a "Pro" user; utilizes the Boot Picker. End of story. It's a core function that should be included in Mojave/138.x.x.x.x.x because the cMP 5,1 was given new Firmware....
You are right and this is a great thread. Lets keep it that way.
LOL, I’m just a dumb guy who insists. I’m not looking at UEFI.
Maybe we can get DP1.2 working with AMD GCN1.x cards to make boot screens work with 4K monitors.
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Dude, your the most valuable mac guy IMO right now.
Whatever we as a community can do to help you or dosdude to get this happening please let us know. This is a community effort (If it is possible) and paying soooo much for flashed cards from the US is just too expensive for anyone not living in the US...
I look at goals that I can reach with my free time, within my means. UEFI support is totally out of reach even with full community support and lot's of people working - only Apple could implement that.
Do not dream, even if some company get recent AMD cards working with BootScreens, do you think that will be for free?
I think that no company capable of doing this, like Sapphire/eVGA did it before with Apple support, wants to do it now since it's a totally no-ROI situation. People will just pirate it.
Who wants a recent GPU for Mac Pro, already bought it now.
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You are probably right but maybe once apple support the new 7,1 there will be some code that we can hack into the older ROMS. It's unlikely but who knows. It wasn't long ago that there was no way to get nVME and here we are. I BELIEVE!! If not we'll all be fine too.
It's not the same. I already explained this before.
APFS and NVMe are EFI modules, Apple inserted both in almost every Mac that has 10.13 support. Mac Pro missed NVMe, so people started to investigate. It was a easy one and even without the BootROM support, was working before with other methods.
Mac Pro uses UGA EFI, not GOP. All Macs since 2012/13 uses GOP. Apple will not go back to a 2006/7 tech on 2019 Macs. What you are expecting is just unreal.
No one got GOP boot screens working with 3rd party bootloaders, not even that…
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its also worth mentioning even tho the newer Macs do GOP
assuming you could "magically" bring out a PCIe slot on one of those macs
if you stuck a PC card in there you would get no Boot screens still
apples Pre OS/driver Graphics environment is more then just UGA/GOP and goes all the way back to the very start of PCI Macs and the introduction of OpenFirmware in 1995 with the Power Macintosh 9500.
a good example of this is the work MVC has had to do to get eGPU Boot screens on modern macs despite modern macs being GOP.
Well there you go. Good info. The software/firmware side of this was never my strong suit. I can however tell you how to setup an ASML stepper to optimize making the chips. Though I have been away from the semiconductor industry for close to ten years. Was a lot of fun when I did it though. Wish I had learned more from my colleagues while I was there.
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