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tsialex

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Nothing, totally dead. Ordered the MattBoard for my Mac Pro. Got a couple of other ones so will retry :)
Thank you for your help!
Do not try again, maybe your Mac Pros have the partially corrupt BootROM that lots of people had. I'll PM you.
 

bookemdano

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I wonder if theirs an apple dev lurking through these forums and slowly feeding us what we wanto_O

Well then we should compile a list to make it a little easier for her/him:

1. GOP Bootscreens, which then allows FileVault, Bootcamp, Verbose & Single User Modes, and Firmware passwords--useless as they may be
2. USB 3.0/3.1 booting
3. PCIe fan bug
4. HDMI Audio on recommended cards

Of those, #4 is the most minor but also the easiest to fix (doesn't even require any changes to firmware, just a kext). #1 would be the most resource intensive thing to fix, but would remove the biggest longstanding frustration that exists in being a cMP user.
 

startergo

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Well then we should compile a list to make it a little easier for her/him:

1. GOP Bootscreens, which then allows FileVault, Bootcamp, Verbose & Single User Modes, and Firmware passwords--useless as they may be
2. USB 3.0/3.1 booting
3. PCIe fan bug
4. HDMI Audio on recommended cards

Of those, #4 is the most minor but also the easiest to fix (doesn't even require any changes to firmware, just a kext). #1 would be the most resource intensive thing to fix, but would remove the biggest longstanding frustration that exists in being a cMP user.

#4 can be fixed in the DSDT as a permanent solution
 

LightBulbFun

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4. HDMI Audio on recommended cards

has anyone submitted a bug report on that?

because the 2010-2012 Mac Pro do officially support DisplayPort audio out on the stock 5770/5870 cards

so if apple is recommend RX 580s and the audio out does not work on them, someone should submit a bug report on it.
 

bookemdano

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has anyone submitted a bug report on that?

because the 2010-2012 Mac Pro do officially support DisplayPort audio out on the stock 5770/5870 cards

so if apple is recommend RX 580s and the audio out does not work on them, someone should submit a bug report on it.

I have an RX 580 and I definitely did submit that bug (along with screenshots of System Profiler > PCI showing the audio device with no driver installed) during the Mojave beta period (via Feedback Assistant). Never got a reply or any update to the status. I'm thinking the better way to report bugs is online via bugreport.apple.com
 
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LightBulbFun

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I have an RX 580 and I definitely did submit that bug (along with screenshots of System Profiler > PCI showing the audio device with no driver installed) during the Mojave beta period (via Feedback Assistant). Never got a reply or any update to the status. I'm thinking the better way to report bugs is online via bugreport.apple.com

Yeah I submit my bug reports via bugreport.apple.com

that reminds me the Radeon HD 7950 is on the officially recommended list and the DP/HDMI Audio on that has never worked on that card in OS X

and I use such a card, guess I should submit a bug report it then :)
[doublepost=1539190015][/doublepost](I have submitted a bug report for no HDMI/DisplayPort audio on the Radeon HD 7950 in MP5,1s :) )
 

TheIguana

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If I had to guess, I'd say no.

1. GOP Bootscreens, which then allows FileVault, Bootcamp, Verbose & Single User Modes, and Firmware passwords--useless as they may be

Building off those comments, it would appear Apple sees adding full GOP boot drivers to the EFI as either too much work or not something the hardware is capable of.

Backtracking a bit, why exactly did Apple build their EFI with UGA as the driver rather than using GOP in the first place. Given that the graphics industry has gone the GOP route, would that have not been more prudent? Given that tsialex has indicated there is plenty of space in the EFI, is there a reason why Apple would not have just added GOP later on?
 

bookemdano

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Building off those comments, it would appear Apple sees adding full GOP boot drivers to the EFI as either too much work or not something the hardware is capable of.

Backtracking a bit, why exactly did Apple build their EFI with UGA as the driver rather than using GOP in the first place. Given that the graphics industry has gone the GOP route, would that have not been more prudent? Given that tsialex has indicated there is plenty of space in the EFI, is there a reason why Apple would not have just added GOP later on?

I'm sure there are folks more knowledgable who can add more/correct what I get wrong, but GOP was introduced with the advent of UEFI in the mid-2000s. Before that, the standard was EFI (which used UGA) and Apple used that in all of their Intel devices. Most of the R&D on the cMP occurred in that time frame. From what I read, beginning with Late 2008 Macs, some of them moved to UEFI and some didn't (the Mac Pro among the latter group). Why they didn't make the change for the 4,1 I have no idea. Maybe it just missed the cut-off or maybe there was some other reason.

What I'm not sure of is whether Apple has any history of converting any model from EFI to UEFI after release. My hunch is that they don't. It may be that they consider it to be too radical a change to make with systems currently out in the wild (i.e. it could break things and/or cause major problems for existing customers who are running stock configurations, etc.).
 

robbier

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Mojave only converted my boot drive to APFS, all other drives remained Mac OS Extended (journaled)

Oops my mistake - thanks for pointing that out - I meant Mojave converts all boot drives regardless of type (SSD, HDD, Fusion)
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They will surely update bootcamp, right? Right?

Given that APFS has been on the Mac for over a year now and Apple still hasn't added support to Boot Camp drivers, I don't know if I would count on it lol
 
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TheStork

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@tsialex, so we got NVMe support in 140.0.0.0.0. Did we get APFS boot drive support with it, too? Seems logical as they would go hand-in-hand together.
 

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h9826790

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Seems like a really irresponsible move to me.

In their description:

This Mac Pro is fitted with a brand new 250GB (NVMe PCIe Solid State Drive) with the Apple Mac OS High Sierra System installed. (They never say High Sierra is actually installed on the NVMe. If I read this sentense correctly, it means "This Mac Pro fitted with a NVME SSD", and "this Mac Pro with HS installed". But not necessary "the NVMe with HS installed)

Until now the faster more responsive NVMe Solid State Drives have not been bootable on the Mac Pro workstations, it offers six time the performance over a 2.5″ SSD installed in the regular SATA bays. (And they also said NVMe is NOT bootable on that Mac Pro. May be there is another SATA SSD in one of the HDD bay for the OS)
 
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star-affinity

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Well then we should compile a list to make it a little easier for her/him:

1. GOP Bootscreens, which then allows FileVault, Bootcamp, Verbose & Single User Modes, and Firmware passwords--useless as they may be
2. USB 3.0/3.1 booting
3. PCIe fan bug
4. HDMI Audio on recommended cards

Of those, #4 is the most minor but also the easiest to fix (doesn't even require any changes to firmware, just a kext). #1 would be the most resource intensive thing to fix, but would remove the biggest longstanding frustration that exists in being a cMP user.

Building off those comments, it would appear Apple sees adding full GOP boot drivers to the EFI as either too much work or not something the hardware is capable of.

Backtracking a bit, why exactly did Apple build their EFI with UGA as the driver rather than using GOP in the first place. Given that the graphics industry has gone the GOP route, would that have not been more prudent? Given that tsialex has indicated there is plenty of space in the EFI, is there a reason why Apple would not have just added GOP later on?

Craig F himself gave a pretty clear answer when it comes to FileVault (a no unfortunately) in the email attached in this post: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ve-nvme-support.2132317/page-68#post-26641653
 
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PowerMike G5

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What are people's thoughts on the general speed increase of using an NVMe drive over a M.2 AHCI drive? Would there be an appreciable speed increase as a boot drive from using a SM951 for example?
 
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