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Middleman-77

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So just informing you guys, legacy Metal GPUs are now being supported in Ventura thanks to Opencore.
Dortania developer Khronokernel confirmed this recently, starting with the 2008 Mac Pro.

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cdf

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i have tried both and even have both patched now...will this new .aml resolve any these issues?
What do you mean by both patched? The ports? The new SSDT could help, but I would temper my expectations. I ended up modifying the Titan Ridge card and designing some hardware to get my LG UltraFine 5K to play nice. How does your display behave without your current SSDT?
 

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What do you mean by both patched? The ports? The new SSDT could help, but I would temper my expectations. I ended up modifying the Titan Ridge card and designing some hardware to get my LG UltraFine 5K to play nice. How does your display behave without your current SSDT?
@cdf I have removed the pcie 11 jumper off the TR card to stop it crashing on sleep, what other mods have you done?
 

cdf

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@cdf I have removed the pcie 11 jumper off the TR card to stop it crashing on sleep, what other mods have you done?
I'll be discussing this in a new thread.

I just tried it with set to false and the behaviour is the same, hit and miss. so why have this .aml at all?
Proper device tree configuration and hotplugging.

What happens when you power cycle your display (unplug and plug) after booting or waking from sleep? Does it end up in a different state?
 

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I'll be discussing this in a new thread.


Proper device tree configuration and hotplugging.

What happens when you power cycle your display (unplug and plug) after booting or waking from sleep? Does it end up in a different state?
I will try doing that and report back, but in the meantime, the system is totally flaking on me. Im getting "USB Accessories disabled" - Unplug the accessory using too much power to re-enable USB devices. I don't have any usb devices plugged in at all.....
 

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I will try doing that and report back, but in the meantime, the system is totally flaking on me. Im getting "USB Accessories disabled" - Unplug the accessory using too much power to re-enable USB devices. I don't have any usb devices plugged in at all.....
there must be something really screwed up with my config
 

Gustav Holdoff

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Ok so now that we have a clean EFI, thanks to @hwojtek i have a few outstanding issues to clear up.

  1. I am getting a notification on reboot telling me I have "more than the maximum supported memory installed) I have 32GB in total... please see the attachment.
  2. Can i get some clear guidance on how to map the USB ports as i'm a little confused, I believe this will resolve the intermittent loss of usb connections.
  3. cannot wake from sleep
  4. Titan Ridge TB3 car installed I have added the .aml from Martin Lo's 0.8.0 Release (I flashed it successfully and the system can recognize it) But I cannot get the attached Thunderbolt Display to behave with this connection. On reboot I get one of 3 scenarios)
    1. Boots up perfectly, Video works, ports work, Webcam works, speakers work.
    2. Boots up but only video works
    3. Boots up and everything EXCEPT video works
There does not seem to be any rhyme or reason behind these outcomes. does anyone know what is going on and how to resolve this please.

My setup on this machine is:

4.1 flashed to 5.1
Dual CPU X5690
AMD R9 280x
Titan Ridge TB3 card
2TB Crucial SSD

Martin Lo's 0.8.3 with macOS macOS 11.6.8

I saved the config.plist as a txt file becasue i hate opening zip files....

Please help me get out of this mess. I have a tonne of other work and just stuck on tis for days now.

About memory - it is obvious that the picture does not show memory 5.1 - and the error is clearly that you are too smart in the config, that memory slots are recognized as in 7.1

I can only talk about my situation or about my research in working with Thunderbolt
Gurus who write patches or ssdt tables should know more

how could I make sure the thunderbolt on macpro 4.1/5.1 is a very capricious thing
the thunderbolt is connected to the psi, and the SSDT table makes powercontrol,
1. the functioning depends on the correctness of the SSDT table (other pci devices may conflict with each other)
2. Martin Lo wrote that aml is needed for the hotplug to work
3. as such, the hotplug does not work for me (only USB-3, but it works without aml) because:
4. I bought Alpine Ridge on ebay as a flashed (but Tsialex wrote to me that it is probably non-flashed, since the resistor is in place) - it means for me it doesn’t matter if there is an aml or not
5. aml affected sleep/wakeup in 12.4 and 12.5 but everything was fixed for me on 12.5.1 and now wakeup does not crash the system despite the <true> or <false> argument
6. I always see USB-c devices, but to see the devices connected to the thunderbolt, you need to do a warm reboot
7. sleep/wakeup breaks thunderbolt and requires reboot after sleep to see thunderbolt devices again (USB-c devices works after wakeup)
8. devices connected to the Thunderbolt can affect the reboot, and can even lead to panic (because usually they have their own power, which is likely to feed back to the pci- and can probably lead to panic)
9. as I could understand, the presence of aml affects the work when loading into Windows. to boot into windows I use the config without aml (but this is not confirmed - since I have not tested all the possibilities in windows yet)
I can notice that when installing windows I have to unplug all pci and all hdd
10. I also confirm that any device that has ssdt after wakeup behaves differently, for example, a GPU without ssdt turns on much faster than a GPU with ssdt - it takes a much longer time to wait before power or something else gives a command and display signal will appear - also the video card is responsible for the operation of the keyboard, mouse and sound on the display

now the work of macro requires tricks, you must study the behavior of your equipment yourself
check which ports are working - maybe one of them works before login, and you connected to the port that turns on only after login

see the posts in the thunderbolt section, there are gurus who will help

more that I could notice (personally for myself)
Martin's config contains a partial SIP disable - I'm not sure if this is useful in 12.5.1 - there may be an error occurring there

you may also need to replace the battery (only use the BR2032 - not the CR2032)

and also fix nvram - since the work of nvram is not so important in mojave or Catalina, but it is extremely important in Monterey - contact Tsialex - he knows how to fix

SSDT is prepared by people who understand hackintosh, I know at least one - ask a startergo - he understands this

on setting up a thunderbolt - as far as I know, KevinClark understands

how to make opencore config ask cdf

My CMP 4.1/5.1 dual cpu xeon 5680, 96gb RAM, radeonpro W6800 (also W5700 and W5500 and RX580 and RX570), nvme crucial 2tb, evo plus 1tb, TB3 alpine ridge, oc 0.8.3 or ML 0.8.0, mac os 12.5.1
 
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cdf

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I'm adding my EFI folder. could you please take a look pretty please with a massive cherrie on top
There's quite a bit of stuff in there that you probably don't need (in particular, with a real Mac you really don't need to add the system UUID or serial number to your config). If you're up to it, you may want to consider a fresh OC setup by following the guide in this thread.
 

zachek

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I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this. I'm beginning the process of upgrading from my cMP 5,1 to a 7,1. Right now I'm on a cMP running Mojave using OC (an older version, 0.6 I believe?) I'm wondering if its possible to update my boot drive (a Samsung EVO Plus inside a Highpoint 7101A-1, not RAIDed) to Catalina using OC and then plug and play the highpoint into the 7,1. Can anyone comment?

I've been searching reddit, fb and the forums and haven't found the answer yet. Thanks in advance.
 

Gustav Holdoff

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What about the Ventura installation process? Looking forward to keep my Mac Pro for a longer period.

there are methodology (only in russian, but you can roughly understand)
you need use both Ventura.dmg for intel and for silicon
so this is not a macos, but a synthetic version with substitutions, it is not intended for updates until everything is complicated and tricky
it won't be MAC anymore
it will be hackintosh with its complexities and problems

 
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Borator

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Aug 31, 2022
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Hi
I had some significant problems but finally was able to install Monterey 12.5.1 on my 4.1 --> 5.1 Mac Pro using the latest Open Core patcher. 0.4.10. I had been on Mojave which was installed on a NvMe Ssd located in a PCI slot. Installing Monterey on this was not successful, so I used another Ssd located in the HD bay. This disk (480 GB) already contained a lot of software and documents (total about 440 GB).that I was hoping to continue using. After installing the new software, I can use Monterey but cannot access any of the other info or software that is on the same disk. System profiler shows that there is about 480 or so GB total on the disk, so all the other files are there, I just can't access them. Also, my previous NvMe SSD which is now in the PCI slot is not recognized and loaded at all. I was hoping to use the Migration assistant to move some of the software. In any case I cannot put a lot of new stuff on the current disk because it is almost full. So my questions are:
1. How do I access all the files on the SSD which is now my Monterey startup disk?
2. If I get a new NvMe SSD and put it in a PCI slot, will the system recognize it? Can I migrate the OS to it?
3. Why is the old NvMe SSD not being recognized?

Thanks for all advice!
 

Gustav Holdoff

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Oct 23, 2020
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Hi
I had some significant problems but finally was able to install Monterey 12.5.1 on my 4.1 --> 5.1 Mac Pro using the latest Open Core patcher. 0.4.10. I had been on Mojave which was installed on a NvMe Ssd located in a PCI slot. Installing Monterey on this was not successful, so I used another Ssd located in the HD bay. This disk (480 GB) already contained a lot of software and documents (total about 440 GB).that I was hoping to continue using. After installing the new software, I can use Monterey but cannot access any of the other info or software that is on the same disk. System profiler shows that there is about 480 or so GB total on the disk, so all the other files are there, I just can't access them. Also, my previous NvMe SSD which is now in the PCI slot is not recognized and loaded at all. I was hoping to use the Migration assistant to move some of the software. In any case I cannot put a lot of new stuff on the current disk because it is almost full. So my questions are:
1. How do I access all the files on the SSD which is now my Monterey startup disk?
2. If I get a new NvMe SSD and put it in a PCI slot, will the system recognize it? Can I migrate the OS to it?
3. Why is the old NvMe SSD not being recognized?

Thanks for all advice!
may be useful:
as far as I remember, when I upgraded from mojave (nvme) to catalina, if there were other disks that had their own recovery partitions, the upgrade was interrupted or hung.
I used this trick:
I disconnected all disks and all PCI cards (USB-3 or thunderbolt) and left only the system nvme - then the installation proceeded correctly
My CMP 4.1/5.1 dual cpu xeon 5680, 96gb RAM, radeonpro W6800 (also W5700 and W5500 and RX580 and RX570), nvme crucial 2tb, evo plus 1tb, TB3 alpine ridge, oc 0.8.3 or ML 0.8.0, mac os 12.5.1
 
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Dewdman42

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@Dewdman42 Your hardware setup is similar to mine, specs, which raises the question of whether there was something special with your setup and the first thing that comes to mind is installed applications. Did you try a clean installation of 12.5.1? If not, and you would like to give it a try, share with me your opencore conf file first so I could compare it with mine.

I have a lot of stuff installed and sorry no I will not be doing a clean install any time soon...
 

Middleman-77

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What about the Ventura installation process? Looking forward to keep my Mac Pro for a longer period.
You’ll have to wait a bit for this to arrive. It’s still being developed as we speak. But when it is released it should be part of Opencore Legacy Patcher (OCLP) for Ventura as Legacy Metal support.
 

mode11

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What about the Ventura installation process? Looking forward to keep my Mac Pro for a longer period.
Obviously everyone has their own priorities, but based on my experience with Monterey I wouldn't even consider moving to Ventura until at least this time next year. And that would only be if doing so was straightforward and the end result completely robust. I'd much rather have a stable system than be at the mercy of obscure edge-case issues.

Personally, I'd rather Apple only release a new (and polished) macOS release every 2 or 3 years. For every useful feature like AirDrop, there's plenty I either won't use, or won't be able to anyway on my old Intel machine. Most of the time I can barely tell the difference with the new OS, and it just introduces a new round of software / peripheral incompatibilities and bugs. That goes double of course for those running OC.

It may be fine to muck around with Ventura on a spare SSD, but I'd never want to be in the position of e.g. suddenly having to do a do a complete reinstall on a machine that I'm using for work.

Edit: I can see from your above post that you're in no rush to update. It's just that as we get further into AVX and AS land, the trade off between minor new features and the hassle getting them just doesn't seem worth it to me. I don't mind some hassle with initial setup, but instability with a work machine forces you to pour hours into fixing it, which rapidly becomes untenable.
 
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