MBP 14" 16" major disappointment

[imdog]

It’s a piece of junk and there should be a class action lawsuit filed for this design.

 

[geejay9876]

They are doing something about it. They are sending out warnings to people who complain about the trolls.

Bottom line, its impossible to determine if any poster is a troll, or if they are just a very young person(like maybe a 12 year old), or maybe they have an executive function disorder, or maybe they have just bought into the thin is great mantra of the last 5 years, and simply cannot change.

So MR is right in doing this since there is no clear test to determine if the posting is deliberate or the result of one of the above situations, or more.

If you just want to hear positive opinions then I suggest to read Apple PR.

This forum is to exchange opinions - not push slavishly Apple products.

 

[JimmyjamesEU]

People were sold the idea that Apple silicon is so godly powerful and efficient that they don't need to be thick Windows bricks with fans then Apple came out with exactly that a 4.8 pound brick with even bigger fans. Only difference is Apple's fan profile prefers letting the processor cook so they can market it as not needing a fan. That is what people are having issues with.

That’s right. Let the bitterness flow through you.

 

[kahkityoong]

Let me quantify why the new MBP 14" feels like stone age.

I used to have a MBP 13" 2015 then switched to the M1 MBA (very happy with it). When I lifted the MBP 14" 2021 in the shop I immediately disliked it.

Why? Not only is it the heaviest 13/14 inch MBP in the last decade, it also has the biggest density. So it is not only heavy, it also feels very heavy - stone age heavy. Even my bulky HP Z-Book feels lighter. Apple is apparently aware of this so they added some rounded corners to soften this stone-age brick.

	width cm	depth cm	thickness cm	kg	Volume	density
Macbook Pro 13" 3rd Gen	31.4​	21.9​	1.9​	1.57​	0.00131	1 201.63
Macbook Pro 13" 4th Gen	30.4​	21.2​	1.5​	1.4​	0.00097	1 448.20
Macbook Pro 14" 5th Gen	31.3​	22.1​	1.55​	1.6​	0.00107	1 492.28
Macbook Air 13" M1	30​	21.2​	1.6​	1.29​	0.00102	1 267.69
HP Z-Book Firefly 15 G7	35.94​	23.34​	1.93​	1.7​	0.00162	1 050.06

And that’s why 99% of people should buy a MBA. Those who actually need a Mac Pro in a laptop body aren’t going to complain about the size and weight of these.

 

[darngooddesign]

People were sold the idea that Apple silicon is so godly powerful and efficient that they don't need to be thick Windows bricks with fans then Apple came out with exactly that a 4.8 pound brick with even bigger fans. Only difference is Apple's fan profile prefers letting the processor cook so they can market it as not needing a fan. That is what people are having issues with.

That’s only on one laptop. On the iMacs and these Apple is marketing how efficient the fans are at moving air. But these chips can’t cook because as soon as the Air approaches a high temp it just throttles.

 

[Zoolook]

Next to my 2017 15" MBP my 16" M1 Max is obviously thicker and heavier, by quite a lot. But Apple conceded way to much to form, and that 2017 MBP would constantly choke under load from thermal throttling, especially if the GPU was doing anything at all.

I'm happy about the change. The MacBook Air is powerful and light, so that's a good choice for many people. It'll be refreshed in 2022 likely with a lot more power and be just a slim and light.

 

[flapflapflap]

The 16 is the best value, but it’s also too chunky and heavy. Imagine having to pull out your 16 out of your oversized backpack in the train, bus or plane? Probably best for those who are moving from one work station to another. The 14 is just one inch larger than the M1 13 and has half the battery life. It is still heavy and bulbous but has significantly less overall footprint size so in theory you can use it in transit. You could also consider using it alongside an iPad for additional screen real estate but between the 14, iPad and charger, that sounds like a heavy load to carry around.

 

[Rockadile]

Let me quantify why the new MBP 14" feels like stone age.

I used to have a MBP 13" 2015 then switched to the M1 MBA (very happy with it). When I lifted the MBP 14" 2021 in the shop I immediately disliked it.

Why? Not only is it the heaviest 13/14 inch MBP in the last decade, it also has the biggest density. So it is not only heavy, it also feels very heavy - stone age heavy. Even my bulky HP Z-Book feels lighter. Apple is apparently aware of this so they added some rounded corners to soften this stone-age brick.

	width cm	depth cm	thickness cm	kg	Volume	density
Macbook Pro 13" 3rd Gen	31.4​	21.9​	1.9​	1.57​	0.00131	1 201.63
Macbook Pro 13" 4th Gen	30.4​	21.2​	1.5​	1.4​	0.00097	1 448.20
Macbook Pro 14" 5th Gen	31.3​	22.1​	1.55​	1.6​	0.00107	1 492.28
Macbook Air 13" M1	30​	21.2​	1.6​	1.29​	0.00102	1 267.69
HP Z-Book Firefly 15 G7	35.94​	23.34​	1.93​	1.7​	0.00162	1 050.06

Apple made it boxy to have wider vents, bigger fans / heatsink, and speakers. If you're happy with the Air than you're not the target market for these new Pros. So stop complaining about its physical specs and hold your breath for a 14"-15" Air but you're going to pass out.

People were sold the idea that Apple silicon is so godly powerful and efficient that they don't need to be thick Windows bricks with fans then Apple came out with exactly that a 4.8 pound brick with even bigger fans. Only difference is Apple's fan profile prefers letting the processor cook so they can market it as not needing a fan. That is what people are having issues with.

Watching some torture tests, it's the opposite this time around especially for the 14". Higher fan RPM, less processor temps at around 65C. 16" has a lot more thermal headroom so it's near idle when the 14" is at 4000+ RPM.

The 16 is the best value, but it’s also too chunky and heavy. Imagine having to pull out your 16 out of your oversized backpack in the train, bus or plane? Probably best for those who are moving from one work station to another. The 14 is just one inch larger than the M1 13 and has half the battery life. It is still heavy and bulbous but has significantly less overall footprint size so in theory you can use it in transit. You could also consider using it alongside an iPad for additional screen real estate but between the 14, iPad and charger, that sounds like a heavy load to carry around.

If I can travel with my 2011 15" cMBP than anyone can.
New 16" is still smaller and lighter than the pre-retina MBP days which is amazing.
We can't really complain because there are people carrying around 17" laptops.

 

[geejay9876]

And that’s why 99% of people should buy a MBA. Those who actually need a Mac Pro in a laptop body aren’t going to complain about the size and weight of these.

Exactly. The new MBP are for a 1% group of users who have exceptionally heavy tasks. The vast majority of Apple users wants low-weight machines and different screen size options.

 

[Realityck]

Exactly. The new MBP are for a 1% group of users who have exceptionally heavy tasks. The vast majority of Apple users wants low-weight machines and different screen size options.

Here we go again its the pro argument. If you're not a pro these new better MBP s are not for you.

All you MBP owners shouldn't be replacing your older 15" or 16" MBPs with these models. Its a travesty to not use a Mac Book Air instead.

Yes I am a MBP owner with one that weighs about as much as the new 16" model. I just wish they were more in stock as the 1% keeps buying them up.

 

[SergueiTemp]

I'm more surprised about people here writing the notch is non-issue. What? The notch is definitely an issue! On the 14 model it was staring right into my soul! I cannot unsee it! Whoever thought it was a good idea should be fired with shame.

Bottomline I wasn't impressed with what new MBP's offer - no difference in keyboard action, no difference in display unless you fancy 120 hz UI swiping (which looks cool, but doesn't work anywhere outside, even in Safari), lots of old ports, bulkier and overall uglier design... and a terrible black rectangular ruining the "window frame" bezels make. If they released another model on M1 Pro/Max (like iMac) - no one would be buying this machine. People buy it, because there's no other option.

 

[kahkityoong]

Here we go again its the pro argument. If you're not a pro these new better MBP s are not for you.

All you MBP owners shouldn't be replacing your older 15" or 16" MBPs with these models. Its a travesty to not use a Mac Book Air instead.

Yes I am a MBP owner with one that weighs about as much as the new 16" model. I just wish they were more in stock as the 1% keeps buying them up.

I guess comprehension isn’t your strong point. I said 99% of people SHOULD be buying MBA. People are free to spend their money however they want. I own many things which I may never use to their full capabilities. I wouldn’t judge a person for buying a MBP for light duties. But if you go and purchase something which is not the best fit for your purposes and then complain about it then you look like an idiot.

 

[kahkityoong]

I'm more surprised about people here writing the notch is non-issue. What? The notch is definitely an issue! On the 14 model it was staring right into my soul! I cannot unsee it! Whoever thought it was a good idea should be fired with shame.

Bottomline I wasn't impressed with what new MBP's offer - no difference in keyboard action, no difference in display unless you fancy 120 hz UI swiping (which looks cool, but doesn't work anywhere outside, even in Safari), lots of old ports, bulkier and overall uglier design... and a terrible black rectangular ruining the "window frame" bezels make. If they released another model on M1 Pro/Max (like iMac) - no one would be buying this machine. People buy it, because there's no other option.

I haven’t even noticed the notch.

 

[Hunter5117]

All this anger about the notch seems silly and ridiculous. If Apple had moved the menu bar to its own chunk of screen space at the top, and inserted some sort of "notch shaped" UI element right in the top that was always there, for any other reason but was just part of the menu bar UI, nobody would be talking about it. Because it is a very functional camera notch some people just can't get past it.

 

[ddhhddhh2]

On the contrary, I liked my PowerBook G4 very much in the past. I feel that they are so similar. Maybe all you need is an MBA, but you don't know it yourself.

 

[Zoolook]

Exactly. The new MBP are for a 1% group of users who have exceptionally heavy tasks. The vast majority of Apple users wants low-weight machines and different screen size options.

Have you done a survey?

 

[transpo1]

I mean, the 14" MacBook Pro is slimmer than the 13" M1 MacBook Pro...

No, it’s not. That is incorrect. It is the same .61” thinness. Or thickness, whichever you prefer.

 

[thatsthequy]

No, it’s not. That is incorrect. It is the same .61” thinness. Or thickness, whichever you prefer.

I know I am splitting hairs here... but it is thinner.

 

[KPOM]

I'm more surprised about people here writing the notch is non-issue. What? The notch is definitely an issue! On the 14 model it was staring right into my soul! I cannot unsee it! Whoever thought it was a good idea should be fired with shame.

Bottomline I wasn't impressed with what new MBP's offer - no difference in keyboard action, no difference in display unless you fancy 120 hz UI swiping (which looks cool, but doesn't work anywhere outside, even in Safari), lots of old ports, bulkier and overall uglier design... and a terrible black rectangular ruining the "window frame" bezels make. If they released another model on M1 Pro/Max (like iMac) - no one would be buying this machine. People buy it, because there's no other option.

Just put a dark wallpaper in the background (it only has to be dark on top) and you'll never notice it.

 

[Fomalhaut]

I know I am splitting hairs here... but it is thinner.
View attachment 1900145

That one-tenth of a millimeter is immediately noticeable and a deal-breaker for me! What was Apple thinking!!! /s

 

[thatsthequy]

That one-tenth of a millimeter is immediately noticeable and a deal-breaker for me! What was Apple thinking!!! /s

They were supposed to make the devices thicker for ports and more battery! /s

 

[transpo1]

I know I am splitting hairs here... but it is thinner.
View attachment 1900145

Haha, literally. Okay, I’ll give it to you.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Next to my 2017 15" MBP my 16" M1 Max is obviously thicker and heavier, by quite a lot. But Apple conceded way to much to form, and that 2017 MBP would constantly choke under load from thermal throttling, especially if the GPU was doing anything at all.

I'm happy about the change. The MacBook Air is powerful and light, so that's a good choice for many people. It'll be refreshed in 2022 likely with a lot more power and be just a slim and light.

The great thing about this gaming notebook, is that its a good support for a 2017 MBP.

This game's notebook will also be far more recyclable these new M Macbook Pros - let's see them being converted into a decent coffee table.

Also a coffee table that will also keep your coffee piping hot.

Oh and they are aligned - there's a bit of parallax error.

Hmmm .... maybe it could also double as a toasted sandwich maker?

 

[newellj]

I mean, they are barely any thicker or heavier than previous generations they just don't have tapered edges to give illusions of fake thinness.

This. This 14" is basically the same dimensions and weight as the 2015 13" MBP. I don't recall anyone thinking it was a boat anchor back then. On the contrary, I do remember a lot of people (including me) complaining when they took away MagSafe, took away the ports, destroyed the keyboard and performed various other unspeakable acts, ??? all in the name of thinandlight. I'm glad I got a real computer back.

 

[bill-p]

It is still heavy and bulbous but has significantly less overall footprint size so in theory you can use it in transit. You could also consider using it alongside an iPad for additional screen real estate but between the 14, iPad and charger, that sounds like a heavy load to carry around.

Just did this today... back and forth from work. MacBook Pro 14" (3.5 lbs) + iPad Pro 12.9 (1.4 lbs) = 4.9 lbs total

Indeed the whole load is slightly heavier than the M1 Max MacBook Pro 16" (4.8lbs) but... I could use the Aukey Omnia 100W charger brick and the brick is much more compact + lighter than the 140W brick that the 16" needed.

So overall, I don't think the 14" + iPad solution is actually that much more weight than the 16" by itself, but I get to have a dual-screen setup with more screen real estate!