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[Merged] JooJoo 12" tablet

chill. said:
you are very, very out of date and making a lot of misinformed assumptions when you admit that you don't know the details.
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Well maybe, but I got about halfway through this video on engadget and I have to say, I would not buy anything from that guy.

He seemed arrogant and shifty. For example he talked about "giving back" to the open source community but his body language says otherwise. All the screen shots were off-angle grabs, spy-style. If it's so good, why didn't he provide an articulate, clearly visible walkthrough of the features? The reporter really had to work to get anything out of him.
 
chill. said:
settle down. i think people should know what they are talking about when they post rather than spread misinformation. it was clear from what you wrote that your ignorance on the subject wasn't limited to names/dates. and pot calling the kettle black much? you neglected any sort of citation or references in your first post
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What about what I said was incorrect? I wasn't correcting anyone in my first post. I was making a comment, you attempted to correct my comment, but offered no actual information that "you're wrong!"

Now you continue to say I am spreading misinformation but haven't actually said what about my comments are incorrect. You have provided nothing to backup your assertion. Everything I said in my first post was accurate. The JooJoo is, at this point vapourware (you cannot GET one right now). The company behind it is currently being sued for what amounts to IP theft. There has been no official change in that case which negates those claims. I wouldn't put a credit card number on to that site if it expired tomorrow.
 
The JooJoo is getting lots of press becuase there is simply no other options that look like the iPad. However when it comes to marketing, sales and end user support there are few that are at the level of apple. The distant second in that would be Dell. The dell devices will be small, and expensive and not in the same category as the iPad, more like the iPhone and targeted at Dell Corporate customers.

I personally would like to see a JooJoo actually work, the problem is that as a true first generation device (this is the only product this start up offers), the device is not much more than a techie niche device and not going to be well supported over time.

If you look the many devices that show up at CES, there are some really cool tablets, and other things we here would all purchase, however the infrastructure is not easy to buils that support the devices outside the country where the device is built. Even with the JooJoo team in the USA, they likely have nothing more than a website and a small office, which is not enough in this day to sell a mass market device.

Look at Google, and the Nexus One, they sold how many? Did the make a profit? Not Likely, however in their case it is all about getting Android out in the market rather than making money on hardware.

Dispite all my ranting my prediction would be that if you can't keep up with the product status on the website (8-10 weeks), have little to no corporate information on a website, and are in federal court when a product is scheduled to ship, and your legal bills are likely to cost more than your first years sales.... You have a problem.

Maybe JooJoo can sell t-shirts that say "I was sued by Mr. Crunch and the only Magic I got was this shirt".
 
mrgreen4242 said:
What about what I said was incorrect? I wasn't correcting anyone in my first post. I was making a comment, you attempted to correct my comment, but offered no actual information that "you're wrong!"

Now you continue to say I am spreading misinformation but haven't actually said what about my comments are incorrect. You have provided nothing to backup your assertion. Everything I said in my first post was accurate. The JooJoo is, at this point vapourware (you cannot GET one right now). The company behind it is currently being sued for what amounts to IP theft. There has been no official change in that case which negates those claims. I wouldn't put a credit card number on to that site if it expired tomorrow.
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ok..

I'm not certain of all the details out there, but the "JooJoo" used to be the CrunchPad. It was co-developed by some guy (Chandra something or other) and the TechCrunch blog guy. Right at the end, the Chandra something or other guy basically told TechCrunch that they were going to sell it under a new name and not cut them in on it. They are having it built on consignment, essentially, without addressing any of the legal complaints being filed against them.
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this is incorrect. arlington didn't co-develop anything. if you take a look at the lawsuit then you'll see that arlington doesn't have a case. fusion garage did address the legal complaints

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/fusion-garage-files-to-dismiss-crunchpad-lawsuit/

and guess what? apple has 10x as many lawsuits filed against them. they infringed on nokia patents when building the iphone. by your logic, anybody who buys an iphone is a fool.

There's a very high chance that the device will never ship, or that if it does it will be of very poor build quality and have zero manufacturer support. I wouldn't let my credit card within 100 miles of that site.
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what are you basing this "very high chance" on? they've had multiple press releases stating they will ship in a few weeks, they've had interviews, and they've had showcases. there's a very high chance that the device WILL ship. what are you judging poor build quality and zero manufacturer support on? they've partnered with one of the largest manufacturers in asia

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/03/joojoo-tablet-now-in-production-will-support-full-flash-at-laun/

people who have had hands-on experiences with the device have reported a slick build

In short, this is vapourware and likely stolen IP vapourwate at that.
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The JooJoo is, at this point vapourware (you cannot GET one right now). The company behind it is currently being sued for what amounts to IP theft.
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your definition of vaporware is incorrect. vaporware is basically when a product doesn't appear long after it has been expected, and there is significant doubt over whether it will appear. obviously does not apply here.

your definition of intellectual property theft is incorrect. techcrunch doesn't have ANY legal rights to the joojoo AT ALL. they filed a flimsy trademark the day that they filed suit that won't hold up. what did techcrunch actually do? just because i say i thought of the idea of hovercars doesn't mean that they are now my IP and anyone who makes a hovercar is infringing on my legal rights.



i was kind enough to provide some references since you keep bitching about it. but when YOU make the assertions in the first place, the burden of proof is on YOU. otherwise i could say "fairies and unicorns exist in the world, prove me wrong." in short, EVERYTHING you said was incorrect.
 
chill. said:
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i was kind enough to provide some references since you keep bitching about it. but when YOU make the assertions in the first place, the burden of proof is on YOU. otherwise i could say "fairies and unicorns exist in the world, prove me wrong." in short, EVERYTHING you said was incorrect.
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Ah, so someone being sued filed a motion to dismiss! The claims made must all be lies! :rolleyes:

Tell you what. You preorder one today and if you get it by April 3rd I will buy you a beer*. If you do get one, call them up 11 months after taking delivery for some tech support/warranty questions. If you get help, I'll make it a six pack.

There's been no change in this case. TechCrunch claims partial ownership of the IP behind this product. Fusion Garage claims to own it all. There is an ongoing court case, which has not been resolved, nor have either sides dropped their claims. As usual, I suspect the truth to be somewhere in between.

Apple does indeed have 100's of lawsuits pending most of the time. They also have a massive legal department and several 10's of billions of dollars in cash on hand. Fusion Garage on the other hand doesn't even have enough cash to have an initial run of the JooJoo made. They had to find an OEM who would build it on consignment, getting paid for each unit AFTER it's sold.

As for vapourware... Duke Nukem is the classic vapourware example. There's no doubt that there is a compiled running version of it, out there, somewhere. But nothing has ever been actually delivered. It's vapourware.

* This assumes you are of legal drinking age. If not, you'll have to settle for a Coke.
 
One spec alone on the JooJoo makes me think it will ultimately be a bust - the weight. It's 2.4 pounds! That's only a half pound lighter than the Macbook Air.

Now you could say I am a bit obsessive on the weights of devices, but I have used a lot of different ones in the past, so I have an idea of what I am willing to hold in one hand for any extended period of time. When talking about a tablet, you absolutely need to understand the weight/feel of how it's going to be in one hand while you use the other to navigate. I actually think the iPad's 1.5 pounds is still a bit too much, but I'll have to see how it feels when I get one. What I do know is the Archos 9 is 1.76 (or something like that) pounds and it is already close to being too heavy for longer term (more than 15 minutes) handheld use.

I believe there's a "threshold" weight that people will be able to put up with, particularly if you start thinking about older folk with arthritis, etc. My guess is the ultimate weight will be closer to 1 pound, but the iPad's 1.5 pounds is going to be very close, and certainly sets the bar for the moment.
 
Wow, I watched the video and realized my three year old iPod Touch handles gestures better than this thing. Seriously, why is Apple the only manufacturer to get it right?
 
The JooJoo does intrigue me. When I first saw it I said, man i want to try that and test it out. I'm not willing to part with $500 bucks for it though.

Fast forward a few months

The iPad comes out and isn't what I expect. I declare epic fail that night. I sleep on it. Realize, wait, this thing could be amazing and awesome. (I always flip flop). I say, holy ****, that's the same price as the JooJoo and does way more. It's built by a company I love. Steve Jobs, I willing give you my $500+. I just wish I could give it to them faster. Chandra and the JooJoo do not make me want to give them money. They do look shady. I question warranty as people say. ETC., ETC.

Point is, count me in for a 32GB Wifi only iPad on launch day. JooJoo, valient effort, but you are going to get crushed.
 
Dammit Cubs said:
I thought the 4:3 ratio was used to be compatible with e-books
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eBooks wouldn't require any particular screen shape. They may look better or more "normal" in one or another, but there's no reason you would have to have 4:3 for an eBook. That said, making it look more like a book is probably another reason they went with 4:3.
 
If the owner "Chandra" wasn't such a **** and so vague about the processor and features this could have potential.

It sure does look cool, even with its larger size. The touch screen looks like its very limited tho.
 
I watched the video, read up on the story behind the thing and won't touch it. Something just doesn't sit well with me, and there just seems to be too much bad blood and it really seems rushed to the market. Sorry, this company and guy has no history of delivering on promises, if I would consider it, I would wait a year or two anyway just to see if they are successful. I have waited on the Kindle and considered it until I saw the iPad. Now I'll wait longer and see how things play out. My guess is I'll eventually get an iPad.
 
For now at least the Joo Joo is the Zune of Multi-media tablets. Actually, that is an insult to Zune, which wouldn't be a bad player if it had decent computer s/w to support it. Apple haters will buy the JooJoo just b/c it doesn't have an Apple on it. Of course, that assumes it actually ships. Crunchgear should be thankful they'll avoid being tagged with this disaster as it goes down. Unlike the Titanic though, few will notice.

Specwise it's a loser. It's a 1lb heavier than the iPad and at 2.4lbs in netbook weight territory. It doesn't have 802.11n, comes with just 4GB of RAM (that's iPod shuffle territory), and yields only 5 hours battery life. But hey, it has Flash and HD so in some people's eyes it's the best tablet ever.
 
The only way I would consider a JooJoo is if it was under $150. Yes, without a doubt I will be buying an iPad. I don't care about the bigger screen, if anything that will be it more clunky. You also can't beat the iPhone apps and well designed UI like the iPad has.
 
My main problem with the iPad is the lack of multitasking.

Unlike many computer users, I do all of my "heavy lifting" computer work on my office PC. At home, 99% of what I do is web based. I rarely use another program on my computer besides the web browser. Both my work and personal email is web based and I use AIM express for my instant messaging.

A typical computer session for me at home is to log into AIM express, open my email, and maybe open another web page or two and browse the web while AIM is running in the background, and typically switch between windows to answer IMs and read new emails as they arrive. I also will sometimes be chatting in an internet chat room at the same time.

With this pattern of usage, the iPad would be useless. While you can indeed open multiple web pages on the iPad (or iPhone), the pages in the background do not stay "live". If you are using a web app and you switch to another page, when you return to the page running the web app, it resets itself.

The Joojoo on the other hand can multitask. While there is no mention of it in the specs on their website, I watched most of the demonstration videos he did back in December on YouTube, and in one of them he opened a youtube video, started playing it, and then opened a new web window and while he was loading the new page, you could hear the sound from the web video playing in the background. So obviously the Joojoo does multitask. And with flash working, you would be able to use flash web apps which opens the door to tons of games and other websites that would not work on the iPad.

I surely do prefer the iPad's physical design and smaller size, but the Joojoo certainly is not large. I think it looks large in the pictures, but the measurements make it the same width as a Macbook Air, more than an inch less than the Macbook Air in depth, and slightly thinner than the Macbook Air. I would say that is pretty portable.

I would definately consider getting one, but I will wait for this litigation to be settled, and will also wait for a 3G version as I think that would be a nice feature to have in such a portable device as well.

As for the litigation, as an owner of a music production company I have been involved in some IP lawsuits in the past, and after reading the complaint and the response, I would say that TechCrunch does not have a claim to the IP, but they can claim damages in lost time and investment, and that is probably how this will play out. TechCrunch makes the claim that the ownership of the IP is joint between both parties. Their problem with that argument is that the law states that a single owner of jointly owned IP can go to market with it on their own without the other owner's consent or involvement. So even if TechCrunch was to win that argument, all they would be winning is the right to make their own version of the Joojoo and sell it. That alone would not stop Fusion Garage from selling the Joojoo.
 
I think the one thing about the JooJoo that's superior to the iPad is the 16:9 ratio. So what if the boxy 4:3 ratio is better for e-books? There's no way e-book-reading will trump video-viewing on the iPad. I think Apple chose the wrong trade-off.

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Looking at the pics of "joojoo" makes me understand why iPad is 4:3 and not 16:9, that thing is silly looking so long and wide. I agree also that I prefer iPad because of the developer support, more apps and games = more entertainment out of the product.

Edit: I also agree that lack of multi tasking sucks on the iPad, I like to keep web browser open while I am doing other things. Hopefully we will be able to jailbreak the iPad as well though and enable multitasking.
 
TheSlush said:
I think the one thing about the JooJoo that's superior to the iPad is the 16:9 ratio. So what if the boxy 4:3 ratio is better for e-books?
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IMO 4:3 is better for everything except TV.

16:9 sucks for just about everything. I won't even buy a 16:9 computer monitor. 16:9 it too narrow in portrait, too short in landscape. It is a screwy aspect only good for TV. I think it is too bad Apple switched from 16:10 to 16:9 for iMacs, yet another reason I will never get an iMac.

Considering that the biggest use of this product will be Inside the home, you will probably not use it for TV that much when you have a real TV available.
 
mrgreen4242 said:
eBooks wouldn't require any particular screen shape. They may look better or more "normal" in one or another, but there's no reason you would have to have 4:3 for an eBook. That said, making it look more like a book is probably another reason they went with 4:3.
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OMG this friggen thing is bigger than my original 1965 Chevy Impala!

I agree with you about vaporware, if it's not?

It's still gunna be a flop:-
The Price
The Size (to hell with 16:9)
The weight & wait?
It does ONE thing (maybe), surf? - I mean it'd make a great boogie board :D
 
TheSlush said:
I think the one thing about the JooJoo that's superior to the iPad is the 16:9 ratio. So what if the boxy 4:3 ratio is better for e-books? There's no way e-book-reading will trump video-viewing on the iPad. I think Apple chose the wrong trade-off.

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The only problem is, if you followed this thing as the "Crunchpad" early in 2009, you would see it's going to have "netbook" spec's. Not likely producing a very good "HD" or movie experience. Even the "Tech Spec's" page on the site avoids stating anything about CPU or internals, they just give you a list of connections and features without any real support for what the actual "Tech" is.

The only video of it running anything was a Youtube video and clearly shows it's challenges in UI design and performance. Talks about HD playback but NEVER shows it... talk is cheap and just form the basic issues he was having navigate I'll bet any video playback is on par with the poor underpowered netbooks we have today.

If this was under $200 bucks, I think it may have some value for people interested in a "web only" based device, at $499 vs an iPad, Dell or HP type of tablet, it doesn't' deliver anywhere near the usability of those devices and yet costs the same.(Or more as we don't know the HP/Dell pricing)

This is a great idea (crunchpad @ $150) gone very, very wrong.
 
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