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Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg Says Quest 3 is Better Than Apple Vision Pro
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Today AVP has _two_ killer apps: (1) Mac virtual display, (2) Movie experience
Hopefully Apple native AVP apps will become good enough (Safari is almost there) to add to that.
Q3 has games (that I do not care enough about). Is anything else good enough there to use for hours (vs alternative ways of doing it)?
PS5 is $500 and PS3 can be bought for about $100. PS5 is 4k and PS3 is 1080p. What's wrong with that analogy?
It kind of is in many ways, not just those listed but also the robust VR games market and official Steam VR support. I'm still struggling to see the VP's purpose beyond being a really good (and bad in some ways as noted in that list) VR headset. If that's the case, then comparisons like this should be welcomed.
But at the end of the day you can't exactly blame the guy for promoting his own product.
But at the end of the day you can't exactly blame the guy for promoting his own product.
A really well done set of AR only glasses (although VR might be possible with add-on blinders) which are comfortable enough for all day use (disregarding the battery issue for a second) would have been MUCH more popular IMO, especially if it had the Apple logo on it. As it stands even the virtual screen functionality in the VP is neutered, you only get ONE screen if using it off a Mac, and you can't even use it on non Apple devices like a Windows PC or portable game system like a Nintendo Switch. A lot of these stupid moves just reek of Apple's push to keep consumers inside it's walled garden, it daily surprises me that so many consumers are willing to be herded like sheep this way.
Both of those depend on what light-shield you choose for AVP and the shape of your head. Thus I would encourage not to trust any reviews on this - you need to try the device to see how those are for you.
For example, my 21W light shield gives an excelled FOV and comfort, but if your head shape requires a light shield that places eyes further away from the lenses, FOV may be significantly narrower.
Meh, Mac virtual display only displaying a single screen and not having support for non Apple devices really doesn't scream killer app to me. Having multiple virtual screens might entice me to wear a heavy, uncomfortable, creepy eyes, 2.5hour battery life headset, but just a single screen, no matter low large, most probably won't unglue me from just using a laptop.
I started using AVP for work. Working with a huge (Mac) screen on the mountaintop gives me more focus.
Have you tried it?
I split time between 6k Apple XDR and 4k AVP virtual screen. XDR is better quality, but with AVP I can add supporting apps (Slack, Safari, Calendar, Reminders) around me - leaving more space of the Mac screen for actual work.
I would love to have good enough apps on AVP for not even needing a Mac, but not holding my breath. That said, Apple is internally already allowing employees to use multiple virtual displays with Mac - so that feature surely is coming. What I am waiting though is allowing to place Mac windows outside of any virtual screen - that would be awesome.
Tim is the one that calls his device "magical"
Those items got cheaper due to mass production, vision pro isn't getting close to that, when profits are the primary goal.
No. They've had separate Meta accounts for almost 2 years, which are not linked to Facebook or Instagram. They have also introduced some privacy features, such as end-to-end encryption for the optional app data backups in the cloud. You do need to set up a Horizon profile, but it can be set to private with a single switch.
Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg today compared the Apple Vision Pro to the $500 Meta Quest 3 in an Instagram video, and provided several reasons why he thinks Meta's headset is better than Apple's.
According to Zuckerberg, the Quest 3 is better "for the vast majority of things that people use mixed reality for," and here are some of the things he said about the Meta Quest 3:
Zuckerberg said that he was surprised at the "tradeoffs" that Apple had to make to provide a higher resolution screen than is offered by the Quest 3, sacrificing "comfort," "ergonomics," and more. He went on to explain that Apple is not always the leader in a new product category, and that he hopes Meta's devices will ultimately "win."The Meta Quest 3 launched back in October. It has two 2K LCD panels compared to the Apple Vision Pro's 4K microLED displays. It weighs 515 grams while the Vision Pro weighs 600 to 650 grams, and it does not have a separate battery pack. It uses Qualcomm's Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2 chipset, has 8GB RAM, and is equipped with Touch Plus controllers.
- It's 7x less expensive than Vision Pro.
- It does high-quality passthrough with big screens "just like Vision Pro."
- Quest is a lot more comfortable - it's 120 grams less.
- There are no wires that get in the way when you move around.
- The field of view is wider and the screen is brighter.
- Vision Pro has motion blur when you move around. Quest is a lot crisper.
- Precision controllers are available, as is hand tracking, and Quest's hand tracking is more accurate.
- Quest's immersive content library is a lot deeper.
- You can watch YouTube or play Xbox.
Meta has produced several headsets so far, includ the Oculus Quest, the Oculus Quest 2, the Quest 3, and the Quest Pro. Apple plans to continue producing headsets, and rumors suggest that the next-generation version will be much more affordable. When explaining the price of the Vision Pro, Apple CEO Tim Cook said that it was "tomorrow's technology today."
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Let’s talk about a $200 smart phone vs a $1500 for a moment. Is the $1500 phone 8.5 times better? This is the comparison we are talking about here. Luxury has an exponential curve if you haven’t noticed. The Ferrari is not 10 times better than the ford focus but it sure costs 10 times as much.
I mean buy what you want. You find the meta quest to be more valuable for the cost then go for it. The Apple vision provides me something the meta quest never will and that is worth it to me. The better quality is worth exponentially more to me. The meta quest is not good enough to work in. Yeah you can have multiple pc displays but the quality is so bad you can’t read the text unless you make it really big which defeats the purpose of having more screen real estate.
No, I've been meaning to get to an Apple store and demo one. I have used multiple virtual displays in the Quest 2 and really liked it, I just didn't envision myself wearing a headset for hours and it wasn't enough to make me use it over my multiple physical displays. Now a hotel room might be a different story, but again a single virtual screen just isn't enough. The app support is interesting though, I'm assuming the app support are Vision OS apps sprinkled around the single Mac screen?
Yes, light shield makes a difference. I’ve tried a few, and 21w improved both comfort and fov for me over the original one I got. Still, the Quest 3 is both much more comfortable for me, and has a better FOV.
I see your point but it’s different. Apple was just pointing out that they are better than the competition. They didn’t target a specific product to compare and they didn’t compare specs. They literally just made funny videos of what Mac people are like vs what people are like if you don’t use Mac. Zuckerberg response is desperation.
Honestly, I have a hard time imagining anybody seriously working in the Vision Pro on a regular basis, simply because of the discomfort.
This is something where the Quest 3 is definitely better due to the lower weight, headstrap attachment point on the facial interface (to take off the weight), and lack of external battery. But I still wouldn't want to use it for more than, say, an hour or two without a break.
Sadly, I think he's right. The build quality of the Meta Quest 3 is not as high as the Apple Vision Pro, obviously, but functionally I think it's a better device.
Long term consistent use of cheeseburgers is probably bad for your body as well. But I don't see those disappearing anytime soon.
I actually hope it’s successful. Two different but similar products can’t be anything but good for consumers. Hey market is big enough for more than just Apple or Meta.
I do agree that the Quest is currently better but really based on specs. With the reviews I have watched I am easily convinced the lenses and screens Apple is using is light years better then what Meta has, and really they should be for the price tag.
- The price is an obvious barrier for most people and keeps it out of the mainstream.
- I would be curious to see someone wearing a Quest 3 and another person wearing an Apple Vision Pro and have them play ping pong together to see if Quests latency is good enough
- With an aftermarket strap my Quest 2 is really comfortable and weight well distributed, Apples looks like you would need to get some after market straps to achieve the same fit
- The wires is a big thing for anything with movement, Apple does not seem to care about activity in the quest as there are no virtual barriers you can set to map out an area for when you are in full VR mode. Quest has done this very well, simple and easy to setup a new space in seconds. And even faster on the Quest 3
- Field of view is another thing I have heard about on the Apple Vision Pro, and it is the biggest gripe I have with VR in general. This needs to get bigger and bigger. What I read about Apple's FOV is that it is around the Quest 2 mark. So it is usable, but for the price tag it should be way more.
- If you are doing any sort of gaming in VR, controllers cannot be beat, hand controls are just not there yet.
- There is no argument that the Quest has a better apps and social functions. I think it will come with Apple, but right now they just can't beat Big Screen in VR with there varied and beautiful movie theatres with the option to sit just about anywhere. On top of all that you can stream a music and have a private show with friends who might be next door or thousands of km's away. I have used Big Screen for this with a friend who moved far away and it is an incredible experience with spacial audio and a massive movie screen in VR. I think I prefer it to actually going to the theatre.
I think Apple will get there, it is early days for them. I reminds me of when the iPhone was first released. No App Store, pretty limited on what you could do with it. Now it can do just about anything and everything. Give it a year and things will look very different I am sure.