Apple are doing serious price gouging, exploiting early adopters to the max.
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Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg Says Quest 3 is Better Than Apple Vision Pro
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I give you - Gerald Ratner...
again with the "more value". Value is very subjective. The burger certainly is more affordable. Wether it has more value is up for debate.
Been there, done that. The Oculus Player on the Go was great, but they dropped it on the Quest. DeoVR seems to drop MKV audio, so I will have to try Skybox. I’ve got Virtual Desktop, but standalone DLNA is much easier direct from the NAS.
Yeah, iTunes streaming is the simple goal. I already own all the Disney 3D discs that were made available in Canada (except the Best Buy exclusive Rogue One Steelbook that sold out in presale because “no one wanted 3D”) and the matching iTunes files (though some are from the pre-HD days), and then most of the 4K Blu-rays before Disney Canada switched from iTunes to Google Play copies (yeah, we Canadians still don’t get Movies Anywhere, but I’m not bitter
) and even a few 4K after they switched. I ripped a few of my UK 3D imports, but it wasn’t worth the hassle. Now I’ve gone from first day purchases to just waiting until they come on sale in iTunes, because I’m getting too old to appreciate my fair share of abuse as a customer, so they lost me as a rabid fan. The easier it has gotten to deliver a good customer experience, the harder Disney have made it. 3D Blu-ray will make a good case study of the worst managed rollout ever, some day. Another reason Apple doesn’t look so bad to me, because my benchmarks are pretty darn low, these days.So let’s leave Ferraris out of this. It’s ridiculous when people make a connection to an exotic car to a mass produced made in China item.
RecRoom is a niche app. Fun for the first couple of uses and then.... crap. Supernatural is nothing special like the WiiFit. Had some high hopes on some flight sims but it's not that great. Big Screen is good for a virtual movie night but a few of our friends were left out so theres that.
Given apple’s vast product line, what you have quoted are exceptional cases and not the norm for company.
I do agree Apple may create a multi tiered product line thus lowering the entry barrier in the process (creating a cheaper less capable variant as seen with their iPads, Apple Watch, phones, MacBooks etc)…..however this shouldn’t be mistaken as a price production.
Hiya, that wasn’t meant to be an attack on your comment and apologies if it came across that way!
It’s just Apple hardly ever reduces the price of its product and yes they may reduce the barrier to entry by creating a cheaper alternative but would that be classed as a price reduction?
Anyway
He quoted iPhone, Macintosh, and iPods, which are certainly not exceptional cases. He could add the iPad to that list, too.
All the examples you gave of creating cheaper, "less capable" variants are backwards, as the newer versions are seldom less capable than the prior version. What Apple typically does is instead introduce higher tier, "Pro" models and charge more and more for those. Since the Apple Vision Pro is first being introduced as Pro, it is certainly not a huge leap to expect a cheaper, non-Pro version. In that case, you are welcome to call it less capable, but I expect that by the time it is introduced it will at least match the initial Pro in most metrics.
To each their own.
If we can say that choice is a good thing, then isn’t it a good thing that Apple is offering a premium option for people who want the best, and more importantly, are able and willing to pay for the best?
Right... I heard about the same when home computer gaming became popular in the late 70ies; so so bad for your eyes, health. Some believed you could die from it and wanted it to be legally banned - yes, absurd. The first small computers for use at home... so so bad. In fact, more than a century ago some so called experts said that the telephone would never find a use in everyman's house. Also claiming that it would seriously degrade social skills. Well... that evolved completely different.
You can insert any product in this question: Why would someone buy a ridiculous expensive Audi or BMW, when you can also enjoy the same ride in a much cheaper Chevrolet that offers the same comfort? It is a matter of taste.
Those are not exceptional cases and I could've included additional examples.
As I stated, price changes for Apple products occur in a variety of ways. We may see Apple lower the price of the VP later this year. We may see Apple introduce a lower priced non-Pro Vision model within a year. We may at some point see an even cheaper Vision SE model introduced based on the same specs as the current Pro. As has happened with many Apple devices going back to the Apple II computer (e.g., starting price of II+ was lower than II), products will evolve and starting prices (especially after adjusting for inflation) will come down.
I sincerely doubt that the majority of people here saying AVP is better have ever tried both devices at all.
Nah. I use Virtual Desktop. Stream to my Quest 3 and just launch Xbox Game Pass from there. Playing NBA 2K24 in the Home Theatre setting I'm getting 120fps with 35ms latency and using a bluetooth Xbox Series X controller paired to the Quest 3. It's a sublime feeling. Big huge screen with audio pumping through my Sony WH-1000XM4 headphones is an experience for sure. Also, I'm sitting on my sofa in a different room than my gaming PC is in which is the icing on the cake.
A hololens for video and photo editing? No. Have you used one? It’s not at all immersive and the screen is not bright and has a tiny field of view. My pro workflow is portable and Mac based. The PC I have is solely for fun. And way too heavy and big (it’s a 4090 based unit) to take in a backpack.
Do you even have these units? A lot of what you’re saying doesn’t align with reality. No real world rendering of environments? huh? For example the horizontal FOV is virtually identical with my light seal to my Quest 3 - my q3 seems even slightly smaller. Yes Q3 has a nice deal more vertical FOV, but its not that noticeable Since I don’t look way way up or down much in the use cases of the AVP.
That’s a joke. Many of us have the money but choose not to spend it on a half baked product. It will get there.
You proved my point the Q3 does real VR better than AVP... Real time/ world rendering with PCVR is a pipe dream for AVP... And as I type this PCVR just got better on the Q3 with the latest software update. The AVP will be a good product in 5 generations when it is priced like an Ipad.