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Incorrect. Virtual Desktop is $20. PCVR experience at 120fps. I have played every GamePass and Steam Game (Both Steam VR and Steam Flat games) on a theatre screen with 36ms latency on an AMD 5600X / 3090 setup. But yes, it is a $20 app you would need to purchase.

So it can play Xbox the way my Vizio can play Xbox?
 
For being $3000 dollars cheaper, he's not wrong.
Who cares about prices when you want something? In case you want to act like a housekin praising the new tiles in the floor - prices are irrelevant when you consider the attraction of things - at least for me
I have the Vision Pro - and I have to say, this was my thought when reading his statement. I don't think the question isn't whether the AVP is an incredible device and that the immersive experiences it can provide, the entertainment and productivity possibilities are exciting.

It's more a question of is it SO UNIQUELY capable at these things, that it warrants the premium over alternatives at a fraction of the cost? In other words, for 7x the price does it really provide an experience that is 7x superior to the Quest 3? Or is it more a matter of providing an experience that is 1.5 or 2x as good as the Quest but at 7x the cost?

I'm not really sure what the answer to this since I haven't used the Quest 3, but I'd be interested in a detailed comparison of the two.
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After all you'll always get diminishing returns once you get to the top of the quality - just received my new Sony GM 300 and it's fantastic - my G 200 .. 600 lens is almost at the same level but it's not quite there yet and that says a lot
As a long time Apple/Mac user I doubt that it will ever be cheaper. Think shareholders.
Buy shares - I did before the AVP came out - sold some company stocks and exchanged them for Apple shares to participate in the raise of the value - actually my shares pay already for one AVP :cool:
 
consider this - my friend is one of the biggest Apple users and fanboys ever.

He owns an oculus but won’t buy the Vision Pro because of the price.

The oculus does provide better value.
Better value depending on what you do with it. I thought the use cases were different for those two products. But the review would have been better if he had said something about the experience instead of list of features.
 
I have a Quest 3 and honestly it's a pretty great headset for the price point.

But when the CEO of the company dedicates an entire video talking about a competitor's product and goes into painstaking detail listing every point, it betrays a sense of insecurity. Mark does raise several valid points, but a lot of it also just feels like him trying to convince himself that he's not scared of the competition when he really is.

Nobody ever brags about being better than the dumbest kid in class, when the exam results come out people are always proud when they beat who they think is the best.

If Mark was truly confident that the Quest 3 is better than the Vision Pro in every way possible, he could just let the product do the talking. But the fact that he set up an entire production and recorded a full video dedicated to Apple shows that he's not confident. He doesn't do this with any other AR/VR headset because he doesn't see them as a threat.
 
There used to be a store for movies and tv but it was discontinued. Apparently it didn’t sell but probably also had limited studio support. It’s very unfortunate because I agree it would be cool to easily just rent movies (in 3D). Most of these problems seem to exist by those studios / right holders themselves though. They probably see no need for it / money in it
I think it's almost definitely a money thing. But again, Apple managed to convince plenty of streaming providers to port their own apps (and in the case of Disney and HBO, created custom environments) for a very niche platform.

Plus Quest sold 20+ million devices (and this was reported a year or 2 ago I believe so it's even more now).

At the very least Meta should update their browser to support streaming. Currently, you can't even stream on the native browser.
 
He is right on some points but passthrough quality on quest 3 is horrible .

When people makes demo video it seems fine but in real life it’s not possible to read a phone screen for example
 
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So, you're saying he is correct. The Gen 3 Quest is better than the Gen 1 VP.
first off, I didn’t say that.

second, it’s subjective.

to some, the MQ3 is better. to others, the AVP is better. depends on one’s needs buddy.

obviously there are things that one can do that the other can’t and vice versa… so…
 
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And by the time the AVP has a 3rd gen there won’t be an even more improved Quest??
who’s to say? the end user decides which device is better. if someone wants a device that’s light, affordable and integrates exceptionally well with their Apple products maybe the AVP3 will be best suited… unless the MQ6 can do all of that and more.

who knows.

either way Meta has had more time with a product on market than Apple. it does some things better. Apple’s does too. simple.

Do you expect him to compare the Vision Pro to 2019’s Quest? Or is a fairer comparison Vision Pro 3 against Quest 5?
he can compare and contrast whatever he wants. you’ve never seen someone compare two things where you go “well, one has been out longer / is more mature.” I’m the only one? lol.
 
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Better value depending on what you do with it. I thought the use cases were different for those two products. But the review would have been better if he had said something about the experience instead of list of features.
Value is subjective while the quality of a product ... objective. This is why Zuck is wrong.
 
Waiting for the point where Mark bans you from using the Quest because he didn’t like something you said or did. Suckerberg should just stay in his own lane. Not many folks left who think too brightly of him, should cherish the very few that do.
 
consider this - my friend is one of the biggest Apple users and fanboys ever.

He owns an oculus but won’t buy the Vision Pro because of the price.

The oculus does provide better value.
Lol. If he can’t pay for it he can’t compare it, so doesn’t know if it provides better value. You not being able to pay for a yacht doesn’t make a rubber boat better value. It just makes it affordable for you.
 
Waiting for the point where Mark bans you from using the Quest because he didn’t like something you said or did. Suckerberg should just stay in his own lane. Not many folks left who think too brightly of him, should cherish the very few that do.
I don’t like Tim better than Mark, probably a lot less.
I can still like my Apple stuff.

Will be interesting to see where this goes 👻😂
 
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He is 100% right and I am an Apple fan boy but come on the Vision Pro for the crazy price can’t do much, it’s a gimmick these headsets are made for vr not ar. The quest can game with controllers and use apps like big screen vr and watch movies with mates, the Vision Pro can’t do much
 
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He is. Is it cheaper? Obviously, but is it better? hell no way. We are talking about different things

We are not talking about different things. The Quest 3 can do the same things a $3500 Apple Vision Pro can do. And the Apple Vision Pro is limited to 1 display for “Virtual Desktop“, while the Quest 3 can handle more displays.

If a $3500 device is competing against a $500 device, you know it is not worth it.

Apple needs to improve many things for the 2nd generation in order to justify it‘s $3500 price tag.
 
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