Interesting. It appears to focus more on their own Surface devices. I’m more curious on how this impacts more mainstream laptops and desktops.Even most of their own devices can't be upgraded.
Microsoft won’t allow Windows 11 on many older Surface devices
Microsoft's minimum hardware requirements will prevent many of its own older Surface devices, including most Surface Pro tablets, from upgrading to Windows 11.www.pcworld.com
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Microsoft has no vision regarding Windows
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Loads of recent computers may have TPM. But by default it is turned off in the BIOS.
Technically I believe every Ryzen CPU and Intel 6th or 7th generation CPU and later supports TPM 2.0. Unfortunately motherboard manufacturers or OEMs either didn't add support in the BIOS or left it disabled by default in many models. Also MS only officially supports Intel 8th gen and Ryzen 2000 series or later with Windows 11.
Although I suspect if the computer came with the Pro or Enterprise copy of Windows 10. It probably had TPM enabled for Bitlocker. That's just an assumption.
For any computer that came with the home version of Windows 10. There was no reason to add TPM support. Let alone enable it. So, it's hit or miss.
Even techie users are having a hard time figuring out if their motherboard supports TPM or how to turn it on. As it's not listed in the specs. Even the manual just has vague information on enabling TPM. I've looked through my manual on my month old build. There's two vague entries about. One is to enable TPM one is about a TPM header location. There's no mention that I can use Intel TPM with a CPU only. If I didn't know this was possible. I'd be searching for a TPM module.
Some are screwing up their Windows install because they installed in Legacy mode.
Mine too. I can understand for DIY computers. Leaving it off by default. As they don't know what OS you're going to install. They even leave Legacy boot enabled. Which means many will have accidentally installed Windows for Legacy mode rather than for UEFI mode.
Doubtful... Highly doubtful!
Windows will sell millions and millions of Windows licenses each year regardless of what Apple does.. To many businesses are heavily tied in and for consumers, anyone for who wants to game, it's windows only.. On top of those 2, there are plenty of regular ole consumers like me who actually like Windows..
I also like macOS but I seriously doubt that MS is in panic mode over the M1 chipped Apple machines..
I need a OS that’s lighter , stronger and “Just works”.
I don’t want an Os which takes minutes to be ready, with a lot of fat sw bloatware i don’t use ...
Windows would be re-design from scratch , more light , more fast and more ready to use.
This is my opinion ...
I don’t want an Os which takes minutes to be ready, with a lot of fat sw bloatware i don’t use ...
Windows would be re-design from scratch , more light , more fast and more ready to use.
This is my opinion ...
People have been saying macOS is bloated and upon release, its extremely buggy. People use the just works moniker to say how great apple products is, but also use it as a slam when those apple products don't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This isn't really a macOs vs. windows thread, yet I can't say that I'm surprised that these talks always decend into those, and yes, I'm just as guilty as the next person for continuing that narrative.
If you like macOS, that's great but your preference in no way diminishes the worth of the other options. Take bloatware which you used. Simply put, its only due to a handful of bad actors, many PCs now a days don't have any bloatware and the simple solution is just to format and reinstall - which is something that has been recommend for years for bot the PC and the MAC.
The OP started this thread to complain about MS' lack of direction, and dare I say, lack of conviction. He's not wrong, but hopefully with windows 11, some internal reorganizations things will be better.
As for Windows on ARM that's a different beast and I wouldn't really say its due to lack of vision. In Apple's case they chose to only go with ARM moving forward. So they have every intent to ensure macOS will be able to operate seemlessly on the M1 as X86, their reputation and business relies on this. For MS, it was just another sku, where they're looking to also have other versions of windows.
I can see why they killed windows 10x, the poor performance of their dual screen phone and probably market testing the dual screen tablet showed that a dual display tablet was not going to be as popular as they thought. I was one of those that held off on buying an iPad as I wanted a Surface Duo, but then they delayed it a year and then delayed it again, I saw the writing on the wall - I got a iPad Pro 12.9 and its been great btw.
As someone who frequently uses MacOS, Windows, iOS, and Android... I actually really like Windows 11. The leaked build was literally a Windows 10 build with some UI modifications for testing, because it's an alpha build.
The reason why Microsoft has to be more careful with things they remove like Control Panel, Device Manager, etc is because Windows is a massive enterprise software as well as a consumer software. It's also used on thousands of different devices by different companies. The downside to this is they can't always make massive shifts very quickly because they don't control the entire process for all users like Apple does with MacOS + Apple hardware.
I hope the implication of this thread isn't a suggestion that Apple does have some great vision forward for macOS
Both of the mainstream desktop OS's are mostly out of ideas and simply moving feature piles around and copying things over from tablets/mobile.
It's all mostly rearranging deck chairs on the same ship at this point
Both of the mainstream desktop OS's are mostly out of ideas and simply moving feature piles around and copying things over from tablets/mobile.
It's all mostly rearranging deck chairs on the same ship at this point
No they don't. Apple Silicon mac is still closed ecosystem and it is quite expensive compares to Windows. No matter how powerful Apple silicon become, it will still been niche. macOS will never become dominate desktop OS.
Also, I have been using Windows 10 since its inception (include its public preview phases) and I am using Windows 11 as I am typing this. Windows have been rock stable and never give me any issues. I don't know where you get "computing hell" from.
The problem is Microsoft cannot do all of what you asked. The reason Windows is still being used so much is its compatibility to older programs. You take away this, Windows is no longer competitive.
If you want more light, more fast and more ready to use, you can go use some other OS. I don't know how you measure more light, more fast and more ready to use, because Windows is not slow and it is very much ready to use.
This is the criticism. Windows 11 continues to include much software that produces extremely atypical graphics, with their disgusting twenty-year-old tab appearance and font. Analogues are exceptionally hard to find on macOS.
There are urgent improvements to Windows that Microsoft still hasn’t made. The difference in favorability between what Apple has done and what they could have is rather small in comparison to what Microsoft has been doing and what they could have.
Microsoft holds the vast majority of the desktop operating system market and is now a $2 trillion company. It is not in panic mode and not threatened at all by Apple's M1. Macs, even with M1, will still appeal to a niche of wealthy consumers and creative professionals. The world is still composed by a majority of low-income people in developing countries and by professionals engaged in daily office activities. These people will not buy a Mac, it is not even an option. The fact that many Apple aficionados living in the U.S. praise the qualities of the Mac will not threaten Microsoft's worldwide reign.
Intel is in panic, but not because of Apple's M1. Intel is in panic because it cannot keep its schedule and is facing problems in its production lines for years now, because PC vendors are now trying AMD processors which are a real threat, because Qualcomm is entering the PC market, and because Nvidia is buying Arm. The M1 is part of it because Apple showed the viability of Arm processors to replace the Intel architecture, leading the way to Qualcomm, Samsung, MediaTek, and others to do the same. The fact that Apple moved to M1 means that Intel lost an important client, which certainly does have an impact, but it is not the end of the world. All the rest is.
Windows is still very competitive regardless of compatibility with older programs. Everything else has some sort of limitations. You may think that macOS is great, but it comes attached to a Mac with a price tag higher than most Windows PCs. Linux is cheap, but Windows provides a better experience.
I use daily macOS ( for personal use) and Windows ( for work ).
I need Windows fast and ready , so i make a light version ( i still use windows7) removing all’ stuffs i don’t need.
My Pc starts in second ( about 10 sec.) and shut down in 5 sec.
I have spent time in optimize settings and programs.
But i would like that all this time task taking should do by Microsoft itself.
OS should be only develop to use Hw, giving the best from it.
So Os should not eat all memory ( ram and SSD/hdd) to run ...
This is my opinion
I need Windows fast and ready , so i make a light version ( i still use windows7) removing all’ stuffs i don’t need.
My Pc starts in second ( about 10 sec.) and shut down in 5 sec.
I have spent time in optimize settings and programs.
But i would like that all this time task taking should do by Microsoft itself.
OS should be only develop to use Hw, giving the best from it.
So Os should not eat all memory ( ram and SSD/hdd) to run ...
This is my opinion
Windows is not terrible these days. Looks like with Windows 11, MS is trying to get more of a MacOS look and a GUI that is better suited for touch compatibility. Not sure if they plan to intergrate the control panel locations but that would be a step forward too. Getting rid of all the legacy GUI interfaces is a step forward. I think its overall vision for Windows is to provide a modern look with enhanced touch capability so it can be used across devices. Interestingly, I think Apple is doing the same thing but continues to deny it.
So you're saying the only good thing that MS has ever done was MS Office and even that was because of Apple?
They should be very lucky then to become a $2 trillion company.
Microsoft is stuck in a hard place, in that backwards compatibility is their main selling point. They can't leave the past behind like Apple does, because people depend on Windows being able to run old software.
They are two different paradigms, and there is room for both. I have both an iMac and a Windows PC on my desk, and I use each for different tasks. I like them both. If Microsoft were to do a massive update to Windows that breaks backwards compatibility and modernizes it to look and work like MacOS, I'd have no reason to run Windows anymore. Their customers depend on the legacy support.
They are two different paradigms, and there is room for both. I have both an iMac and a Windows PC on my desk, and I use each for different tasks. I like them both. If Microsoft were to do a massive update to Windows that breaks backwards compatibility and modernizes it to look and work like MacOS, I'd have no reason to run Windows anymore. Their customers depend on the legacy support.
I get the software compatibility issue, but they should still start fresh sooner than later. Add some back compact layer or whatever for people who need it, or keep Windows 11 alive in some way.