Good. Hopefully the battery will improve as well.
So ready to not buy hot-ass Intel laptops for PC users at my work.
So ready to not buy hot-ass Intel laptops for PC users at my work.
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Microsoft Says Windows Laptops With Snapdragon X Elite Will Be Faster Than M3 MacBook Air
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Developers are releasing different architecture builds for different platforms. What you're suggesting doesn't make sense to me: if architecture didn't matter (ie Rosetta was super excellent), then developers wouldn't need to release different builds.
That said, the primary reason for multi arch builds is easy of build and deployment, not necessarily platform optimisation, which is afforded anyway in universal binaries.
How does Qualcomm position the Snapdragon X Elite in their lineup ? Judging by the name, usually "X" and "Elite" are in the highest-end.
Just saying, because the M3 is Apple's lowest-end chip possible in the current lineup...
Just saying, because the M3 is Apple's lowest-end chip possible in the current lineup...
Yeah I will gain a 20% performance advantage but I will also inherit Windows.
I do too, because with Windows you need it!
Edit: I would say the same thing about macOS (and did!) before Apple Silicon. 16 GB has been my recommended minimum for 10+ years. That changed with Apple Silicon. I still personally prefer more than 8 GB, but having used an M1 Air with 8 GB of RAM for months doing some very intensive research processing, 8 GB worked well. That is not the case with Windows. Now, maybe Windows on ARM and these new processors will fix that. If so, that's great. I'd still hesitate to buy one of these new computers without 16 GB of RAM (same goes for a Mac for myself).
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Using multi-core benchmark without comparing energy consumption is meaningless
Nope, the business-line Surface Pros remain x86 for a reason. Only the consumer models get ARM. Microsoft would like Windows users to transition to ARM, but that’ll be a long way. The vast majority of Windows software is still built for x86 exclusively, requiring emulation on ARM, and there is little incentive in changing that.
20% faster while using 400% the power. Brilliant.
Why is this gatekeeping and condescending tone on MacRumors so openly celebrated? All it does it perpetuate Apple's monopoly on things, jack up prices and rip off Apple consumers. Why are any of you even mocking Microsoft? They're in the computer space and this is exactly where they should be improving. I didn't hear any of this kind of scoffing when Apple felt entitled to making a DAMN CAR?
Competition is what makes your products BETTER. If it weren't for that, you'd all still be stuck with Intel toasters in your laptops.
"while the Snapdragon X Elite will likely run hotter and require laptops with fans"
Have they seen the reviews showing M3 to get damn hot???... it reaches 100 degrees plus under heavy workloads.. thats the M3! in MacBook Air M3...
Apple allow the processor to reach really high temps... and then it throttles to prevent damage. The only reason there is not a fan or big heatsink is that most consumers operate bursty workloads. My M2 MacBook Air average CPU temp is around 30 to 40 oC during light to medium workloads such as office apps, web browsing and streaming video. If you do heavy workloads it gets very toasty.
In any case, this has been a long time coming. The more options the better.. and it will be great to see better emulation for x86 apps on surface laptops and tablets.
From a longtime Mac and Surface user.
Have they seen the reviews showing M3 to get damn hot???... it reaches 100 degrees plus under heavy workloads.. thats the M3! in MacBook Air M3...
Apple allow the processor to reach really high temps... and then it throttles to prevent damage. The only reason there is not a fan or big heatsink is that most consumers operate bursty workloads. My M2 MacBook Air average CPU temp is around 30 to 40 oC during light to medium workloads such as office apps, web browsing and streaming video. If you do heavy workloads it gets very toasty.
In any case, this has been a long time coming. The more options the better.. and it will be great to see better emulation for x86 apps on surface laptops and tablets.
From a longtime Mac and Surface user.
Personally, I’m happy about this. Anything that pushes Apple to be more aggressive with their research, development, and technology is a good thing for ALL of us. It could also start price wars.
It’s a perfect example of why monopolies should remain illegal.
It’s a perfect example of why monopolies should remain illegal.
Totally agree but I think that Microsoft continuing down this path and holding special events for things like this paint a potentially future that is not good for Intel. Maybe I shouldn't have said "writing on the wall" and maybe "faint outline" instead
I mean that's awesome, competition is good and I hope we'll see lots of new windows laptops with ARM processors but... they're comparing 12 performance core SOC to 4 performance + 4 efficiency core SOC.
It'd be embarrassing for them if a SOC that has 8 performance cores more would be slower than M3.
It'd be embarrassing for them if a SOC that has 8 performance cores more would be slower than M3.
Macrumors hosts mostly a certain type of person... not your average Apple customer. The people posting on here are a tiny percentage of the Apple users. And most average apple customers probably use a combination of Apple and PC... and dont care either way for each.
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As a long time Surface Pro user I hope this finally addresses the battery issue. Either you get an Intel and have crappy battery life, or get an ARM proc and crappy performance/compatibility. Although I don't see the Surface lineup putting much of a dent into the Mac/iPad lineup, hopefully this provides some competition, especially if Windows oems embrace it fully. It's never been about Surface vs. iPad, it's been about Windows oems capitalizing their broad market support. Apple really needs to up their game with iPadOS to match the power of its proc.
Doesn't matter to me if it's 300% faster, I have no interest in returning to Windows.
Wait until the "Oh you use a Surface, why are you on these forums?" remarks.
I mean, that's a good thing. I want to see MS move the ARM system into the mainstream with Apple.
Heck, it'd be cool if this could lead to the return of Boot Camp.
Heck, it'd be cool if this could lead to the return of Boot Camp.
Single core performance is much better indicator of user experience for the average consumer workload than multicore performance.
So Id say it doesnt matter how many cores it has, that single core performance is what would be important for most users
LOL, unless it can run Mac OS, I don't care if it's 100x faster than Apple's chips. I ditched Windows in 1994. Haven't seen anything yet to entice me to go back.
Microsoft will advertise that its upcoming Windows laptops with Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite processor are faster than the MacBook Air with Apple's latest M3 chip, according to internal documents obtained by The Verge.
"Microsoft is so confident in these new Qualcomm chips that it's planning a number of demos that will show how these processors will be faster than an M3 MacBook Air for CPU tasks, AI acceleration, and even app emulation," the report says. Microsoft believes its laptops will offer "faster app emulation" than Apple's Rosetta 2.
Introduced in October, the Snapdragon X Elite has Arm-based architecture like Apple silicon. Qualcomm last year claimed that the processor achieved 21% faster multi-core CPU performance than the M3 chip, based on the Geekbench 6 benchmark tool.
There are a few caveats here, including that Microsoft and Qualcomm are comparing to Apple's lower-end M3 chip instead of its higher-end M3 Pro and M3 Max chips. MacBooks with Apple silicon also offer industry-leading performance-per-watt, while the Snapdragon X Elite will likely run hotter and require laptops with fans. Since being updated with the M1 chip in 2020, the MacBook Air has featured a fanless design. Apple can also optimize the performance of MacBooks since it controls both the hardware and macOS software.
Nevertheless, it is clear that Apple's competitors are making progress with Arm-based laptops. Microsoft plans to announce laptops powered by the Snapdragon X Elite later this year, including the Surface Pro 10 and Surface Laptop 6 on May 20.
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