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sjsharksfan12 said:
Crawford had a clutch hit in the 9th and then they added an insurance run. Doval has been so dominant that the bottom inning was pretty simple.
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I'm happy to see the Giants getting solid contributions from their young players. Patrick Bailey and Casey Schmitt have provided a boost of energy to the team that was much needed. We'll probably see Kyle Harrison and Luis Matos come up from AAA at some point, but they're both very young and they shouldn't be rushed.
 
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Silencio said:
I'm happy to see the Giants getting solid contributions from their young players. Patrick Bailey and Casey Schmitt have provided a boost of energy to the team that was much needed. We'll probably see Kyle Harrison and Luis Matos come up from AAA at some point, but they're both very young and they shouldn't be rushed.
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it’s a literal youth movement and I’m excited.
 
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Gregg2 said:
From Friday's Cubs vs. Giants game:

Cubs batting, less than 1 out, man on first.
Hitter has a 3-0 or 3-1 count. Runner breaks for second with the pitcher in his delivery to the plate.
The catcher jumps up and catches the pitch, slings it to second before he has a chance to realize he just caught ball four. Of course, once the runner breaks, that's what the catcher is focused on.

The runner does not look in to see what happened at the plate, so he keeps going and slides into second, apparently ahead of the tag. The second base umpire, also apparently unaware that the pitch was called ball four, calls the runner out. The crew huddles and rules the runner safe.

The Giants ask for and are granted a video review of the call at second. After the review, the call is overturned and the runner is out. The video replay clearly shows that the runner beat the tag, but the shortstop kept the tag on (well in was on, off, then on again) and the runner did not maintain contact with the base for a split second. It was too quick to see it live, only slow-motion could reveal that the glove of the shortstop was in contact with the runner when he was not touching the base. In other words, it became a pick-off of a runner who would be granted second base if only he had stopped running, even if tagged before he ever touched second.

This killed the rally, as the next batter made an out. So, what do you all think of this? Make your decision now before reading my opinion below.

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I think that the use of the video replay here circumvented the intent of the rule that when a pitcher tosses ball four, it's a walk. I don't know if the official rules address this specifically or not. In the days before replay challenges, there would not have been any question. The batter gets first, and the man who was on first gets second. If it's not in the rules, this play should generate a revision: when the home plate umpire calls ball four and it's not a wild pitch or a passed ball, the ball is dead, no matter if the catcher throws the ball to a base or not. Perhaps the only exception would be if the catcher tries to pick off a runner at third or second who would not be forced to advance because of the walk. Otherwise, the ball should be dead until it, or a new ball, is thrown to the pitcher.

This might call to mind the rule for appealing that a runner left a base before a fielder catches a fly ball, and advances safely / scores. The ball, or a new one, is returned to the pitcher, and he throws to the base the runner allegedly left too soon. Then that umpire rules safe or out.

Anyway, I expect a difference of opinion on whether or not this particular call violated the spirit of the rule. Maybe it will be discussed (or already has been) in post-game, pre-game or highlight shows. According to this link

www.closecallsports.com

Runner Madrigal Out for Sliding Past 2nd on Walk, But...

All about MLB umpires, ejections, Replay Review decisions, close and controversial calls. Detailed rules and sports officiating analysis.
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there is an aspect of the play that is covered explicitly by the rule book, and the umps got the call wrong. There is also a replay of it on that page. I don't really think this is a great application of this rule. They need to address the specific situation of a runner who is forced to advance because of a walk even when he breaks for the next base on the pitch that becomes ball four.
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Yeah that is odd.

I'd say because it was ball four he was safe and the throw and tag shouldn't apply/matter....

But what do I know?
 
I was watching friday night baseball and I just want to say they spent way too much time talking/showing the splash zone. I watch baseball, you know, to see a baseball game. Not have some talking head walk around the stands talking about how people are getting splashed. They spent way too long on it.

No I'm not picking on Apple, other networks do similar shenanigans, they mic up people, have visitors in the booth and change the focus/coverage from the game to people

/rant off.
 
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I was talking baseball with my boss, he's from Puerto Rico and a Mets fan. No, not the Pirates*, lol. We got to talking about players who we really liked from back in the day and Vida came up.

Vida is one of my all time favorites from any team, any era.

I was really stoked he had such a great year with us in '78.
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I felt like '87 would have been a banner year for us and the aging star in his twilight.
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But alas it would not be due to another brush with cocaine. "Cocaine is a powerful drug..." - Rick James... Just stupidity on his part and I'd think he would agree ...

I was completely deflated upon hearing the news.

He went 72 - 58 with us overall and I've always felt like there so much promise unfulfilled.

He, and Willie McCovey, were on my bucket list of Giants I desperately wanted to meet one day.
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*He's not that big of a Clemente fan, who is also from Puerto Rico.
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Vida was my man back in the late 70s-early 80s, and Willie Mac is still my all-time favorite Giant in many ways. People I know who knew Vida said he was a good guy despite his struggles with addiction, and McCovey was, of course, the absolute best. In my first game at the Stick, I saw a very old McCovey line one over the fence in right field, and it must've taken him 5 minutes to hobble around the bases, his knees were so shot.

I left this in the edit field without posting yesterday:

I only watch college baseball if Stanford is involved. They blew a big 9th inning lead to Texas in the first game of the Super Regionals, but won game 2 last night. Coming back to this, I saw that Stanford won game 3 and a ticket to the CWS in the bottom of the 9th when the centerfielder for Texas lost a shallow pop-up in the lights. Absolutely brutal way to end a very, very evenly matched series.
 
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pachyderm said:
Vida is one of my all time favorites from any team, any era.

I was really stoked he had such a great year with us in '78.
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I felt like '87 would have been a banner year for us and the aging star in his twilight.
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Vida was outstanding in 1978. He was in fact the starter for the National League in the All Star Game. I have this card in my collection, taken at the Stick before they got rid of the Astroturf:

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I'm glad he had a successful second stint with the Giants, especially in 1986. The 1987 team had a pretty deep rotation, and I don't think a 37 year-old Vida would have displaced any of their other starters. That loss to the Cardinals in the 1987 NLCS absolutely crushed me, and all of the Giants' subsequent postseason ownage of the Redbirds has not dulled that ache one tiny bit. What could have been...

Ironically, the Giants are playing a series in St. Louis this week.
 
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Silencio said:
Vida was my man back in the late 70s-early 80s, and Willie Mac is still my all-time favorite Giant in many ways. People I know who knew Vida said he was a good guy despite his struggles with addiction, and McCovey was, of course, the absolute best. In my first game at the Stick, I saw a very old McCovey line one over the fence in right field, and it must've taken him 5 minutes to hobble around the bases, his knees were so shot.

I left this in the edit field without posting yesterday:

I only watch college baseball if Stanford is involved. They blew a big 9th inning lead to Texas in the first game of the Super Regionals, but won game 2 last night. Coming back to this, I saw that Stanford won game 3 and a ticket to the CWS in the bottom of the 9th when the centerfielder for Texas lost a shallow pop-up in the lights. Absolutely brutal way to end a very, very evenly matched series.
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1. I named my oldest son "Isaac McCovey Pachyderm".

2. I also root for Stanford.

3. McCovey, Will Clark, Robby Thompson, Brandon Crawford, Brandon Belt, MadBum, Posey etc etc etc
 
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Silencio said:
Vida was outstanding in 1978. He was in fact the starter for the National League in the All Star Game. I have this card in my collection, taken at the Stick before they got rid of the Astroturf:

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I'm glad he had a successful second stint with the Giants, especially in 1986. The 1987 team had a pretty deep rotation, and I don't think a 37 year-old Vida would have displaced any of their other starters. That loss to the Cardinals in the 1987 NLCS absolutely crushed me, and all of the Giants' subsequent postseason ownage of the Redbirds has not dulled that ache one tiny bit. What could have been...

Ironically, the Giants are playing a series in St. Louis this week.
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I think he'd have found a place in there though.

I hate the cards and jose oquendo ... hate. them.
 
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