It’s pretty stable now. I have it on my 2017 MacBook Pro and it works great. My attempts to update to Big Sur and Monterey haven’t worked well. So I’ll leave the 2017 machine on Catalina.
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Monterey disappointment
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I have two systems on Big Sur as they came that way. Big Sur is getting better. I think that another maintenance release or two should mean that it's stable. I find that macOS isn't stable until the following summer after release. My favorite for stability is Mojave. I've never run Catalina outside of testing it out on external SSDs.
i've never had that on Monterey. it's running very smoothly for me in fact. on a 2015 MBP
a great thing i read a few days ago is "everything that does something in Windows 11 looks like it from the 90's"
Everyone has their specific reasons, for me it went downhill after High Sierra. No more support for nvidia and losing the superior(microsoft) font smoothing for non-retina screens. It's embarrassing how apple is dealing with macos, considering the limited amount of hardware configurations it should be rock solid every single release. As for Monterey, it's stable here and that's what counts, I hate the looks though.
Waiting for the next MacOS release to upgrade to previous has definitely become rule of the thumb, if you do any serious work. That's sad, but it's just like that.
Well, sometimes even two releases behind, if you're -for instance- in audio production and rely on some specific AU/VSTs.
Well, sometimes even two releases behind, if you're -for instance- in audio production and rely on some specific AU/VSTs.
Your point about the limited hardware is a good one. It is even more ironic since, of course, Apple is the maker of that hardware or at least, knows the measures of the parts that make the whole. Candidly, it is sad that Apple went the way of Microsoft with releases with blatant issues that should have never gone to the public.
It's no coincidence that Logi Options+ just came out of beta. Logitech has been timing its software release with macOS for a while. People in the know realize a long time ago that macOS only becomes stable right before WWDC (.4 or .5) and developers play the waiting game rather than playing catch up. Users who do serious work on their Macs should do the same—upgrade your macOS when summer rolls around.
I only jumped to Monterey before this year’s WWDC because my Mac Studio won’t run anything older, but that’s been my pattern with macOS for several years now.
why can't 'users who do serious work' do what they want? update when they want (or not update)? all these 'absolute' statements ('wait for the .3 update') etc, are just personal opinions, nothing more (or less).
use your mac as you choose. if need be, deal with the consequences (like those of us who choose to run the betas do).
I have the feeling that people may look back and say High Sierra was the high point of the Intel era.
I didn't actually think the subsequent OS'es went downhill from there. Rather, it was a change in direction, one of convergence. Metal and APFS became mandatory in Mojave, and gone are Target Display Mode and sub-pixel antialiasing. You had to have a retina display from that point, and no more spinning drives. Catalina added Catalyst and killed 32-bit. All these had been paving the road for M1.
I didn't actually think the subsequent OS'es went downhill from there. Rather, it was a change in direction, one of convergence. Metal and APFS became mandatory in Mojave, and gone are Target Display Mode and sub-pixel antialiasing. You had to have a retina display from that point, and no more spinning drives. Catalina added Catalyst and killed 32-bit. All these had been paving the road for M1.
High Sierra is super stable but you miss out on features. I think that Mojave is the best combination of features vs stability for the versions after HS. That said, I have been running Monterey 12.4 for over a week and I have not run into the two remaining bugs that bothered me: a particular memory leak and a networking problem. The latter usually showed up in my MacBook Pro around a week in uptime.
These two problems were apparently backported to Big Sur but I'm hoping that 11.6.6 fixes them there as well. My main systems will run Big Sur and Monterey and my backup systems run High Sierra and Mojave. If that's the case, then I will be fine with Big Sur and Monterey. Especially with Apple Silicon hardware. My current plans are not to update anything to Mammoth until summer 2023 at the earliest. I will, of course, test it out on an external SSD.
I do wish that Target Display Mode was available in 5k iMacs.
High Sierra was also the last version of macOS with CUDA support for NVIDIA, which helped my 2013 iMac (the last with an NVDIA GPU) keep up with the 2013 Mac Pro and 5K iMacs until around 2019.
I appreciate High Sierra as being the last intel/NVIDIA focused version of macOS, and it was certainly better for me than Mojave, Catalina and Big Sur.
I’m fine with Mojave, and don’t really experience many of the bugs people complain about, or at least none that haven’t been easily resolved so far.
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Those two problems are exactly why I want to downgrade. Big Sur's only problem was disconnecting my backup USB-C drive. Monterey requires a reboot to upload an e-book to iCloud.
I 'upgraded' Big Sur to Monterey on my Intel i9 MacBook and ended up going back to Big Sur via a CCC Clone I had created prior to the upgrade.
I'm now only on Monterey because it came preinstalled on my MacBook (M1 Max) that has finally just been delivered.
I am of the opinion now that I will always leave the OS that has come pre-installed on any system for as long as I possibly can. A yearly upgrade cycle for a major OS is too much IMO, especially since Apple cannot seem to iron out bugs and ensure the release is stable prior to launch. Sorry to say, but Microsoft has it right whereby they release periodic updates (albeit some large), but only upgrade the entire OS to its next release after a few years.
Hence I will stick to the OS that came with my MacBook for as long as I can, or until there is such a feature that I really do feel I absolutely need, before I 'upgrade' again.
In other words, Safari feels pretty 'snappy' to me at the moment! lol 🤣🤣
I'm now only on Monterey because it came preinstalled on my MacBook (M1 Max) that has finally just been delivered.
I am of the opinion now that I will always leave the OS that has come pre-installed on any system for as long as I possibly can. A yearly upgrade cycle for a major OS is too much IMO, especially since Apple cannot seem to iron out bugs and ensure the release is stable prior to launch. Sorry to say, but Microsoft has it right whereby they release periodic updates (albeit some large), but only upgrade the entire OS to its next release after a few years.
Hence I will stick to the OS that came with my MacBook for as long as I can, or until there is such a feature that I really do feel I absolutely need, before I 'upgrade' again.
In other words, Safari feels pretty 'snappy' to me at the moment! lol 🤣🤣
This is what I have done. My 2021 MacBook Pro is on Monterey while my 2020 Mac mini is on Big Sur. I have other Macs that I could upgrade to Monterey but I prefer them on Mojave or Big Sur.
Yeah, don’t even fire me up again.
Let’s see this week what abortion they introduce.
My partner has a windows laptop that costs probably half of my MacBook Air, looks the same and it is working reliably. She got it from work, running windows 10.
I am seriously thinking it’s time to switch.
Might be time to switch but then again, wait a bit and you can run Windows in a VM on your ARM based macBook Air. I have ran Windows for years on Macs due to a couple of specific applications. I am not a fan of how Apple's OS seems to have taken on Microsoft aspects of releasing too soon but it is what it is ... bugs and all. For me, I would rather use MacOS or a Linux distro than Windows as the main OS at home.
I bought a Lenovo Yoga C930 after breaking five MBP 2017 keyboards within three months and Windows 10 was such a pit of despair I hackintoshed the thing. Scaling was the problem that really killed me, some apps (including Adobe CC… but only SOME Adobe CC ones) didn't recognise a 4k screen and some did. Then there were Useful Adjustments that required digging in the registry every time a smallest update arrived to switch them off. I'll keep Monterey. (I won't, once I find time to downgrade…)
I have come to expect little from one macOS to the next so I wouldn't consider myself disappointed
hardly noticed a difference BS->Monterrey though
hardly noticed a difference BS->Monterrey though
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will be fun to (soon) move to the ventura forum, and see the same people, posting the same things; ie monterey haters who now think that monterey is in fact better than ventura; people who haven't even installed the new OS but don't like it; and people who install beta 1, then complain that "some things don't work" (not understanding the 'beta' concept).
plus of course, the why can't it be like snow leopard' people.
it's a yearly event on the macrumors forums! personally, am looking forward to it (the OS, and the fun threads)...
plus of course, the why can't it be like snow leopard' people.
it's a yearly event on the macrumors forums! personally, am looking forward to it (the OS, and the fun threads)...
When I started reading the Monterey forums after getting my Mac Studio I thought you were being too harsh with some of your comments, but I’m getting a bit tired of the generic complaints from people who seem incapable or unwilling to perform basic troubleshooting to diagnose and fix issues. I think you probably echo a lot of the thoughts of some of us here.
to be fair, i've probably said the exact same things on the big sur, catalina, etc forums... 🤣