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The entire post is a joke. The poll is completely random.
Android = 🦄 unicorns
iOS = rainbow 🌈
You choose.
Between the fit and finish, how creepy google has become, and the historic security differences between the two
FBI 'deeply concerned' about Apple's new security protections | AppleInsider
The FBI says that Apple increasing security features on iPhone "hinders" the agency's ability to protect Americans, and again presses for backdoor access.appleinsider.com
I’m sticking with Apple
If I did get a android phone it for sure wouldn’t be running the google infected OSs
Per the charging port, doesn’t really matter much for me, for the vast majority of my charging I use a wireless chargers
Got a few in the house, car has one built in, etc
Apple's New Scanning Tools Raising More Concerns, Even Inside Apple
Last week, we wrote about our concerns about Apple’s newly announced scanning efforts that the company claimed were to protect children. Lots of security experts raised concerns about how thi…
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Yeah, Apple was going to launch an official, widely known back door into iOS, MacOS, iPadOS , you know, for child porn perverts. No Government or nation state would ever exploit such a huge security and privacy hole.
Like say, a country like China would never scan for political images against the state in their population of iPhone users, no never. Our NSA would never snoop on Americans either using such a a tool.
I mean really, you are going to claim that Apple after years of claiming to protect the security and privacy of it's users over the FBI no less just all of a sudden decided to do an about face and wipe away all of the years of security and privacy in one action and only stopped because of push back from the press, tech experts and users.
I guess we live in amnesia land where Apple can do no wrong and only Google is "creepy". 😂 Lol.
If you use a cell phone from any company or platform you have no privacy. I might even extend that to any internet connected device running any commercial software.
Get off the high horse. Use whatever you like but don't claim superior privacy and security when it doesn't exist.
On top of that Google is much more secure. They find exploits and warn others. They have monthly security patches in Android. I don't trust anyone with my privacy but so far Google seems to be more secure than MS or Apple.
I can read other's opinions on the internet which is something you apparently find difficult. Google "USBC vs Lightning durability" and see what the experience of others is. You don't need hard data to arrive at a reasonable conclusion.
The fact that you're so quick to shout "bias" is quite telling. I used iPhone for a while and now Android for a while. I literally don't care which one I use. I weigh up pros and cons of each and decide. I most certainly am not "biased" towards a charging port. Absolutely hilarious you think that.
Edit: To help you find information on the internet I've got a link here where someone tested the durability of both Lightning and USBC:
You asked me for an example. The example is personal; my phone. I said if you want more examples, it's very easy to search the internet. Again, the issue here is that you seem to struggle to research on the internet and gain a sound insight.
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Apple's New Scanning Tools Raising More Concerns, Even Inside Apple
Last week, we wrote about our concerns about Apple’s newly announced scanning efforts that the company claimed were to protect children. Lots of security experts raised concerns about how thi…
Yeah, Apple was going to launch an official, widely known back door into iOS, MacOS, iPadOS , you know, for child porn perverts. No Government or nation state would ever exploit such a huge security and privacy hole.
Like say, a country like China would never scan for political images against the state in their population of iPhone users, no never. Our NSA would never snoop on Americans either using such a a tool.
I mean really, you are going to claim that Apple after years of claiming to protect the security and privacy of it's users over the FBI no less just all of a sudden decided to do an about face and wipe away all of the years of security and privacy in one action and only stopped because of push back from the press, tech experts and users.
I guess we live in amnesia land where Apple can do no wrong and only Google is "creepy". 😂 Lol.
If you use a cell phone from any company or platform you have no privacy. I might even extend that to any internet connected device running any commercial software.
Get off the high horse. Use whatever you like but don't claim superior privacy and security when it doesn't exist.
On top of that Google is much more secure. They find exploits and warn others. They have monthly security patches in Android. I don't trust anyone with my privacy but so far Google seems to be more secure than MS or Apple.
Not saying Apple is god, saying it’s a long ways better than google
So does that scanner thing work with the new iCloud enhanced advanced security encryption?
The “child molester” is right up there with the “terrorist”, it’s a word used to get people to be ok with letting their shields down, it’s a trap
It applied to photos stored in icloud as well and scanned individual iPhones as well. Pretty scary stuff.
I agree that Apple used CSAM as an excuse to add a security vulnerability into all of their software platforms and I don't think they expected the push back they got because they thought people would be caught up in the CSAM spin.
I am no advocate for any person who wants to hurt a child in any way or a pet for that matter. They are evil and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. If anyone could make a good argument for the death penalty it is child molesters.
But that doesn't excuse violating everyone's basic privacy and security for a small percentage of perverts.
I really don't think Apple is any better than Google or Microsoft in terms of privacy. Microsoft is an abomination in terms of security and privacy but that is a whole other thread. In terms of privacy Apple just has much better marketing and is not as up front as Google. I bet we would all be shocked what is going on behind the curtain of proprietary software. At least with Android most of the software can be audited by software engineers outside of Google because most of it is open source.
Linux and to a much lesser extent Android and ChromeOS are much different than proprietary software like Apple and Microsoft implements. Try reading a EULA from start to finish. 😂 Lol
Oh my... 🤦🏿♂️
The conversation wasn't about a Redmi device. The conversation was about Android. Again, you still don't even understand what I'm talking about when I talk about making any app full screen. In any event, here's PUBG in full screen. No black bars, or any UI element issues. Check and mate... Take care bud ✌🏿
Hilarious, you focus on this and chose to conveniently ignore the Reddit post where someone scientifically tested USBC and Lightning and found Lightning to be more durable.
If your level of argument is ignoring information I present and not bothering to do a Google search then you're beyond my help sorry.
I gave it a try, I had a S23+ on day 1 release day, just sold it today.
I will say, it was an excellent phone. But, I've been using iOS for 15 years and, there is just something about it where you can't leave. As nice as that Android was, I missed the polish of iOS, how better developed the apps are, iMessage, look & feel. It just feels home.
My family and friends all have iPhones, even though the green bubble was working, it just didn't feel the same. There were times I wanted to send pictures, video, or lengthy news articles and I knew it wouldn't work the same on SMS.
They also had the ability to no longer see my location on Find My.
The Apps that I use on iOS are just a lot better. They look and function better.
And on top of all that, I just have too much muscle memory developed on iOS to fully switch. But I will say, the S23 series is absolutely amazing and I was very close to switching. I just couldn't leave iOS.
I'm now using a iPhone XS and and will probably end up with a iPhone 15 when they release. This will tie me over and then serve as a backup.
I will say, it was an excellent phone. But, I've been using iOS for 15 years and, there is just something about it where you can't leave. As nice as that Android was, I missed the polish of iOS, how better developed the apps are, iMessage, look & feel. It just feels home.
My family and friends all have iPhones, even though the green bubble was working, it just didn't feel the same. There were times I wanted to send pictures, video, or lengthy news articles and I knew it wouldn't work the same on SMS.
They also had the ability to no longer see my location on Find My.
The Apps that I use on iOS are just a lot better. They look and function better.
And on top of all that, I just have too much muscle memory developed on iOS to fully switch. But I will say, the S23 series is absolutely amazing and I was very close to switching. I just couldn't leave iOS.
I'm now using a iPhone XS and and will probably end up with a iPhone 15 when they release. This will tie me over and then serve as a backup.
I don't mean to jump in here but a Google search is hardly proof of anything.
Lighting ports have been notorious for failing, not charging properly, and getting full of lint and dirt making the port unusable.
I have witnessed this first hand myself.
Never had an issue in the many devices with USB c over the years while I have experienced a port failure on lightning. I was able to clean the lightning port and get it working but as I said never experienced the same thing on USB C.
I like lightning ports. I think it is a great design. Apple could have improved the design and data transfer speeds but they haven't tried to change anything on them in years.
When we had micro USB the lightning port was clearly better but USB C has surpassed it in every way. Even Apple put thunderbolt ports exclusively on their MacBook Pros so if they weren't as good as lightning port why didn't they use that instead?
You have the same functionality with S23U. There is a find my device in Google on the web anyone can log into and use and Samsung has the same thing that can be viewed from any device on the web and Samsung includes a feature to find the device even when powered off.
Samsung also has a share feature to instantly share files between devices.
You can send all of those things via text but you have to disable or deregister your phone number from icloud account and Apple id. Once you do that you can share everything that is cell enabled. Obviously you can't send texts to other Apple devices that don't have a cell connection like you can with an iPhone. But that is it.
If you would have tried it for more than a day and taken some additional steps most of the features you missed could have been done with the s23u.
However Apple purposely doesn't play nice with Android to keep you locked into i devices.
If you only own an iPad, Mac and don't use other platforms like Windows, etc. and all of your family uses Apple devices then it makes sense you had the experience you had.
In your case going outside of Apple really doesn't make sense. You are pretty much locked into using an iPhone whether you like it or not.
But please don't say that you can't get the same level of functionality with Android as you can with Apple az it simply isn't true and if Apple made cross platform use easier then a lot of the issues you have wouldn't exist. It is because Apple doesn't want cross platform compatibility that you can't go out of Apple devices. If you don't mind that then fine.
Personally I don't like being locked into any ecosystem and while it might take a little more effort and education to be platform agnostic it is a much better feeling to use what you want based on the merits of a device rather than the loss of functionality by using something from another company.
Of course a Google search means nothing if you don't know what terms to search and how to judge the quality information.
What I'm trying to get at is that a Google search (or whatever other search) is just a means to open up a whole load of information to sift through and find meaning.
If I Google something and it comes up with an academic study does that render the academic study unreliable because I attained it via Google?
The Google search I did for USBC vs Lightning durability led me to a Reddit user who tested both for work and found Lightning to be more durable. What's the issue with this? Is it unreliable because I got it from a Google search?
The problem with personal experience is that you have limited data. I can't weight up my experience of having 3 iPhones and 4 Androids and make a conclusion that USBC is more reliable than Lightning or vice versa. But you can go on the internet and get way more information about it.
I'm perplexed that another person seems to think using Google as a way to access the internet renders all information unreliable.
I have a Lively Flip which was on sale half price.
I don't use the 5Star feature, but it's there.
Lively is now owned by Best Buy.
They are in the emergency/safety business. Job One.
Two of their products are also phones.
For me it is for emergency situations.
The big deal ... USB-C for $50. Also an FM radio which requires a wired headset.
It has a handy charging cradle.
I've evacuated from fire 4 times in my life.
In 2017 I evacuated across town and had nothing but radio.
No TV and no Internet. Just radio.
My Nokia T20 also has FM and the required wired headphone jack.
Apple will never do this as FM is free and Apple can't change a monthly fee.
I could list another 10 things I can have with Android but not Apple.
I don't use the 5Star feature, but it's there.
Lively is now owned by Best Buy.
They are in the emergency/safety business. Job One.
Two of their products are also phones.
For me it is for emergency situations.
The big deal ... USB-C for $50. Also an FM radio which requires a wired headset.
It has a handy charging cradle.
I've evacuated from fire 4 times in my life.
In 2017 I evacuated across town and had nothing but radio.
No TV and no Internet. Just radio.
My Nokia T20 also has FM and the required wired headphone jack.
Apple will never do this as FM is free and Apple can't change a monthly fee.
I could list another 10 things I can have with Android but not Apple.
Not really the "same WiFi". As long as there is a data connection, be it WiFi, Cellular Tethering, Ethernet...but it's more about the Apple ID, all being signed into the same one AND the option enabled to indeed get calls on other devices. 😎
I value personal experience over years of using various devices about which we are discussing to be vastly more useful than a Google search.
I also think that your implications that I or anyone else doesn't understand how to use a Google search or what to look for rather insulting.
A scientific analysis with several devices used under specific conditions would be the only data worth it's salt. Because a Google search is simply an amalgam of personal experience.
If you give weight to a Google search then my personal experience is just as valid.
What scientific testing? You call a guy saying he did a test, testing? There's literally nothing there to suggest any testing was actually done, aside from him saying it. He didn't state what devices he tested, the control, etc...
This wasn't worth you posting a link to. Sorry...
You should at least read what you post, and have an understanding of it. What you posted lacks any data at all. Anyone can make a reddit post and claim anything. Again, if you have no data to support your claim, then you have no basis of which to make it. Sorry...
But isn't that exactly what you did when you made the statement above how apps display in full screen, after your incorrect statement about full screen? You made a (wrong) broad-sweeping statement presumably based on personal experience. Though I'd also say that personal experience seems to also have been rooted in a lack of information, as demonstrated in your not understanding what I meant about forcing apps to display in the entire screen. Sorry...
Checkmate was the reply before this one. Let's move on now.
I’m entirely aware of all the workarounds and tricks you can do on android 8 ways from Sunday. I just don’t care to do them.
I like the appeal of it just works, it just **** all works and makes life really easy.
Never said Android lacks any functionality. In fact I willingly admit it has a lot more features than iPhone and is superior in a lot of ways.
But for me I just enjoy the simplicity of iPhone, call me a sheep or whatever, it just is what it is, it’s just what I prefer dude. Not a knock on anyone else who prefers and likes Android. I just like iOS. It’s just a phone.
I had a S23+ and used it for nearly a month. Certainly more than just a day and I didn’t have an S23U.
Imagining still having phone OS arguments in 2023, on MacRumors forums no less.
You don't understand the concept of sample size then. You think there's more value in your personal experience than there is in hundreds of other people's personal experiences?
Am I allowed to be insulted about the fact that you think my judgement of information is poor? If you're taking offence I will too. How dare you!
That person's Reddit post showed they did the test fairly rigourously. Sure it doesn't cover all bases, but it's none the less useful. In their own words:
"I've tested both extensively for work (alongside microUSB) and in terms of mechanical reliability Lightning wins by a a long shot. Tests run:
* Insertion/extraction cycling (gave up around 40,000 cycles on Lightning)
* Bend testing (upwards, downwards, and torsional)
* Liquid exposure + charging -- Lightning wins here by a huge margin. I believe they use rhodium plating on their contacts to protect them from corrosion
Edit: I would **love** to share the PowerPoint slides (full of nice graphs and pictures of test setups) with all of you since we're engineers and nerds, but my employer owns the data and I don't want to get fired. Also I might accidentally doxx myself
"Again, Google is just a door to the internet full of information. Could be crappy uninformed articles, adverts or sponsored content, academia, biased forum posts or in this case a useful Reddit post. It's not merely ”an amalgam of personal information”.
Wishful thinking.
Please don't take what I said as you being a sheep. Sorry if I came off in a smug way.
I completely understand the appeal of the interconnectivity of Apple products.
I just have disdain on how they purposely lock out other platforms.
Also you gave some specific examples that were just not true like the find my device.
Enjoy your iPhone. It is great. Communication between devices on Apple's platform is super convenient and works really well.
I enjoy Apple products but just get a little upset with their business practices.
I’m far from an Apple fanboy. In fact my iPhone XS is literally the only Apple product I own right now.
I work in IT for a living so I would definitely know. I absolutely agree that some of Apples business practices suck. They could enable RCS for every device but they won’t on purpose.
As a general preference, I’m a minimalist and generally don’t enjoy syncing devices together. And for all of my non-tech savvy friends and family members, I’m not going to go out of my way to bring on 3rd party solutions and workarounds to have just baseline functionality that exists when simply using an iPhone. I’m not going to try to get my best friend to download Signal or send Google drive links to view photos. Part of the appeal is just sending something and it just works.
That’s why I choose to stick to iOS because the ability to communicate with the people in my life that I care about, and it’s hard to break 15 years of iOS use.
Apple are a lot of things, but they got the phone right.
You don't understand the concept of sample size then. You think there's more value in your personal experience than there is in hundreds of other people's personal experiences?
Am I allowed to be insulted about the fact that you think my judgement of information is poor? If you're taking offence I will too. How dare you!
That person's Reddit post showed they did the test fairly rigourously. Sure it doesn't cover all bases, but it's none the less useful. In their own words:
"I've tested both extensively for work (alongside microUSB) and in terms of mechanical reliability Lightning wins by a a long shot. Tests run:
* Insertion/extraction cycling (gave up around 40,000 cycles on Lightning)
* Bend testing (upwards, downwards, and torsional)
* Liquid exposure + charging -- Lightning wins here by a huge margin. I believe they use rhodium plating on their contacts to protect them from corrosion
Edit: I would **love** to share the PowerPoint slides (full of nice graphs and pictures of test setups) with all of you since we're engineers and nerds, but my employer owns the data and I don't want to get fired. Also I might accidentally doxx myself
Again, Google is just a door to the internet full of information. Could be crappy uninformed articles, adverts or sponsored content, academia, biased forum posts or in this case a useful Reddit post. It's not merely ”an amalgam of personal information”.
Wishful thinking.
Oh I understand sample size but I also understand algorithm and skewed search results.
Reddit is the Ghetto of the internet. Sorry.
I never implied your judgement was wrong like you implied I didn't know how to use Google search or just now how you implied that I don't understand what a sample size means.
I don't try to attack people personally on tech forums because at the end of the day it is all just people arguing about their opinions and wanting others to agree with their biases.
At the end of the day lightning port is inferior for a number of reasons like data transfer speeds and the proprietary nature of the port.
Whether a lightning port is slightly more durable is really not a good argument of it's superiority since USB is ubiquitous and cheaper to repair and replace even if a failure occurs which is not very common.
If USB C was so unreliable then you would be hearing about it from all corners of the internet but the fact remains that Apple used it exclusively for a number of it's own products which must say something about it's value.
No one is arguing about your preferences?
No one is arguing that communication within Apple's ecosystem is easier?
Apple just likes being difficult because they can and because it makes them money. That reason alone kind of pisses me off.
That being said I am in a similar situation with friends and family but I don't care if I have a different color bubble or maybe it is a little more work to send something to them but I like multiple platforms and redundancy so I can use my Mac or iPad to communicate to those I need to if need be. It doesn't require me to have an iPhone.
But that is me and you are you. I respect your preferences and why you do what you do. I just don't force myself to use what everyone else is using simply because everyone else is using it. I think different I guess and I do things differently. Sometimes it gets me I to trouble and complicates my life unnecessarily but I would rather be free to choose what I want then be locked down by a corporation that I don't always agree with.
I understand that.
If I genuinely preferred the Galaxy more, I probably would've switched to it perm, because at the end of the day I do think it is better to put yourself first. But I just personally prefer iOS more, and this was after using the S23+ for nearly a month. I think I had a proper sample size to make a decision. I could've made the communication challenges work, but it wasn't the sole reason I switched back. I just like the way iOS works better.
But it was refreshing to send a message to my friend and some family this morning and the blue bubble was back after putting my sim back in my iPhone. Sounds stupid I guess, but it was just icing on the cake.
I think the biggest thing I miss is the notification system for sure, but I'm so used to iOS's notifications that it's really no bother to me.
Denying the authenticity of something when there's no apparent reason to is a pretty immature arguing tactic. Again, if you are a child or early teen I apologize and none of this applies; you're still developing. Back to this Reddit post. Yes doing a test is called testing. He's writing a Reddit post and not a report. Yes he could test more, use different phones and different conditions etc but this is a good start.
Anyone can make anything up. Think yourself. Is it likely to be biased, well it's not on r/apple or r/android. It's on r/Askengineers, this person is likely to have some kind of engineering background. I don't see why this post shouldn't be trusted. I'd trust their conclusions without seeing the data because there's no good reason for them to lie here.
But isn't that exactly what you did when you made the statement above how apps display in full screen, after your incorrect statement about full screen? You made a (wrong) broad-sweeping statement presumably based on personal experience. Though I'd also say that personal experience seems to also have been rooted in a lack of information, as demonstrated in your not understanding what I meant about forcing apps to display in the entire screen. Sorry...
Checkmate was the reply before this one. Let's move on now.
Again you "presumed" I judged it solely off my personal experience. I had a hunch that iOS apps were visually tailored better for their phones, then I researched it on the internet and found most people also have this experience. Hence why I put it under "cons" of Android. iOS apps are designed for a small handful of phones compared to what Android apps are designed for. That seems like a sound reason for this.
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Personally right now with the iPhone and iOS 16 I am just not super happy with the software and hardware.
iPhone 15 or 16 with a newer version of iOS and better hardware might change things and I will be back.
Apple makes some of the best phones in the world and the look and design is arguably the best in the world.
This year the s23 ultra is just better. I also like the more squared or rectangular design of the ultra screen as it just makes the best use of the 6.8" screen and is more productive.
I like competition and the back and forth of progress between iOS, iPhone and Samsung and Android. They push each other to do better.
So I will always go back and forth between them. This year the s23 ultra and the Pixel 7 Pro are just better than anything else out right now. I love iOS but Android has come a long way. For my use all of the apps work the same regardless of platform and each UI is equally polished and smooth. So the difference really comes down to hardware and some UI features that only Pixel and s23u have. Call screening is not on iOS but available for both the Pixel and s23 series. Just one example of a really useful feature on Android that is hard for me to live without.