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Android switch?

  • Android

    Votes: 47 19.3%
  • iPhone

    Votes: 197 80.7%

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h.gilbert

macrumors 6502a
Nov 17, 2022
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What survey did you conduct to determine "most people think lightning is more durable"? Most people don't even know the names of the ports that are out there, let alone know enough to have an opinion of which technology is more durable. So yeah, I'd love to see what field research you're referencing.

More jumping ahead and assuming things I see. I'm not sure why you think I must've done a survey of field reference when my reply heavily implies I just Googled it using a better term than "USBC problems" and "Lightning problems". Let's go through it together... What's the question we're trying to answer? USBC vs Lightning durability. Well, let's Google that, "usbc vs lightning" durability. Do it yourself as see what the overall sentiment is.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, as demonstrated by your prior statement. You weren't even aware that you could use any app in full screen. Then you tried to move the goal post talking about "sometimes it hides UI elements". So how about this? Since you know so much, provide me with a real world example. Let's see it.

I know how to use an app in full screen. Again you're clouded by your assumptions. You purely assumed I didn't know how to use apps in full screen. Are you assuming I don't know how to enter full screen mode by pinching in on a YT video or something? Not worth my time uploading a screenshot, after all it's anecdotal anyway. So now you can Google properly I suggest doing that.


Overall, I've got to say your ability to argue and use sound reasoning is pretty dire. If you're a child and still developing then my apologies these comments absolutely do not apply. If that's not the case, well I'm sure you can fill in the blanks. Either way, I'd advise not continuing.
 

animalx

macrumors 6502
Apr 1, 2013
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More jumping ahead and assuming things I see. I'm not sure why you think I must've done a survey of field reference when my reply heavily implies I just Googled it using a better term than "USBC problems" and "Lightning problems". Let's go through it together... What's the question we're trying to answer? USBC vs Lightning durability. Well, let's Google that, "usbc vs lightning" durability. Do it yourself as see what the overall sentiment is.
So in short, you have absolutely no idea and have no real data to back up such a statement. Got it. Thanks for playing.
I know how to use an app in full screen. Again you're clouded by your assumptions. You purely assumed I didn't know how to use apps in full screen. Are you assuming I don't know how to enter full screen mode by pinching in on a YT video or something? Not worth my time uploading a screenshot, after all it's anecdotal anyway. So now you can Google properly I suggest doing that.
And you have yet once again shown you have no idea what I'm talking about. You can't pinch an app to make it full screen. You don't have to upload a screenshot though. Just simply tell me what app. It seems you have a bit of difficulty supporting the ridiculous claims you make... Check..
 
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h.gilbert

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Nov 17, 2022
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So in short, you have absolutely no idea and have no real data to back up such a statement. Got it. Thanks for playing.

Where there's a lack of hard data, there are still other ways to gauge the answer. In short you're unable to research using the internet and come to reasonable conclusion. The best guage available points to Lightning being more reliable.

And you have yet once again shown you have no idea what I'm talking about. You can't pinch an app to make it full screen. You don't have to upload a screenshot though. Just simply tell me what app.

You can pinch an app. Open a YT video in landscape and pinch so the video fills up a screen. Get PUBG mobile on a Redmi Note 10 Pro global and try to adjust the display to utilise the whole screen without UI elements being hindered. Download Assoluto Racing and try to get rid of the black bar on the left side of the screen.

It seems you have a bit of difficulty supporting the ridiculous claims you make... Check..

You can, again look it up on the internet. As you pointed out one person's experience isn't conclusive.
 
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himynameisryan

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Aug 8, 2022
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The Pixel 7 fingerprint scanner was trash for me, it worked 50% of the time and lit up a room at night. My S23+ works 99% of the time.

Autofill is getting there for me, iOS still feels faster but just by a bit. You need to adjust a setting within accessibility for example to make password managers autofill properly. I use Bitwarden, now it typically requires one click on the S23.

This phone is faster in daily tasks than iOS. Scrolling, switching between apps, overall responsiveness / touch sampling rate feel faster. I've never said that before about Android, at least on a consistent basis.

Camera has worked perfectly for my needs. Notifications are set to only appear as icons on the top of my screen so all data always stays hidden until I want to view it. I don't care for the banners on iOS. I like having a calendar widget that is actually usable without opening the calendar, I can just scroll within the widget on my home screen. Home Up customization allows me to swipe up anytime and view all open apps at once as icons / small windows on the screen so I can quickly go back and forth. It is very useful.

Live sports widgets actually work, I have my NBA and MLB teams appear on my screen when they have games, no need to even install any app. I set it up once and done. And it doesn't pop up as a giant banner like I'd seen on iOS, it's a tiny widget the size of dynamic island oddly enough.

Google assistant destroys Siri, it isn't close. I've used it more in 3 weeks than I've used Siri in 1 year. I can just tell it to call whatever business or place I want and it will, I haven't had these results with Siri.

Different strokes for different folks. I still have my 14 Pro Max in case I really need to switch back, but so far the S23 has impressed me. Usually I don't last more than 3 months on Android, this time really feels different.
Here's where you're wrong: the s23 ultra fingerprint scanner is still worse than faceID in security (about 2x more likely to open for the wrong person based on Samsung's figures) + it requires the manual action of placing your finger on the scanner.

I think you might be wrong about daily tasks because my 14 pro max handles it better than the s23 ultra and the Phonebuff test backs that up

Maybe I'm just a photographer, but the video quality and shutter lag make the cameras unusable. Saying "For my needs" does not negate the issues

Not sure what you're talking about with live sports widgets not working unless the low-power mode is turned on it updates fine, then of course I personally appreciate the island and having it there even when I'm in a different app.

I'm not sure what you use voice assistants for, but generally, whether it's google assistant or Siri just googling normally is faster, I personally still use them to control lights (i have both HomePods and nest hubs in every room) and the HomePod does light control, opening the garage and shutting the blinds in 2x response speed compared to google assistant, and more importantly, it misses the command 1/2 as much. If you're trying to google something with your voice, Siri is garbage, but if you're controlling your smart home, google assistant is garbage
 

Tripps9000

macrumors regular
Dec 27, 2021
216
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I could never go back to android i like the Apple ecosystem to much so nice to have all my Apple devices able to work together so good!
 

animalx

macrumors 6502
Apr 1, 2013
474
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Where there's a lack of hard data, there are still other ways to gauge the answer. In short you're unable to research using the internet and come to reasonable conclusion. The best guage available points to Lightning being more reliable.
Where there's a lack of hard data, one cannot conclude anything one way or another. Just say you're biased and leave it at that. You have nothing to support your stance.
You can pinch an app. Open a YT video in landscape and pinch so the video fills up a screen. Get PUBG mobile on a Redmi Note 10 Pro global and try to adjust the display to utilise the whole screen without UI elements being hindered. Download Assoluto Racing and try to get rid of the black bar on the left side of the screen.
lol now you're talking about the Redmi Note 10 Pro? Before you made an umbrella statement, now you're making it about the Redmi Note 10 Pro? Which one is it going to be? And no, you can't just pinch apps to make them full screen. Youtube has that function for JUST landscape mode. You can pinch it in portrait and make the entire app take up the screen. Again, you know not what you speak of. Check...
 
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Harthag

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Jun 20, 2009
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Here's where you're wrong: the s23 ultra fingerprint scanner is still worse than faceID in security (about 2x more likely to open for the wrong person based on Samsung's figures) + it requires the manual action of placing your finger on the scanner.

I think you might be wrong about daily tasks because my 14 pro max handles it better than the s23 ultra and the Phonebuff test backs that up

Maybe I'm just a photographer, but the video quality and shutter lag make the cameras unusable. Saying "For my needs" does not negate the issues

Not sure what you're talking about with live sports widgets not working unless the low-power mode is turned on it updates fine, then of course I personally appreciate the island and having it there even when I'm in a different app.

I'm not sure what you use voice assistants for, but generally, whether it's google assistant or Siri just googling normally is faster, I personally still use them to control lights (i have both HomePods and nest hubs in every room) and the HomePod does light control, opening the garage and shutting the blinds in 2x response speed compared to google assistant, and more importantly, it misses the command 1/2 as much. If you're trying to google something with your voice, Siri is garbage, but if you're controlling your smart home, google assistant is garbage
I am not wrong and neither are you. I commented on my experience and merely stated my opinions. Like I said, different strokes.
 

bousozoku

Moderator emeritus
Jun 25, 2002
16,120
2,399
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I'm using a 2022 iPhone SE and a OnePlus 8T. They're about the same in many ways but the iPhone is smoother and the 8T has a bigger, better display. I certainly wouldn't switch over a cable.

If you need to adjust things because of vision, iOS and Android can both be helpful.
 

tadasZ

macrumors member
Aug 5, 2014
75
144
Vilnius
Anyone else planning on moving to Android once Apple switches to USB-C? Might as well have an Android at that point. Looking at the Lively Jitterbug Smart3.
You wrote your question like lightning port was better than usb-c, i can't think of a worst reason to switch
 

ofarlig

macrumors 6502a
Jun 23, 2015
931
1,148
Sweden
The Pixel 7 fingerprint scanner was trash for me, it worked 50% of the time and lit up a room at night. My S23+ works 99% of the time.

Autofill is getting there for me, iOS still feels faster but just by a bit. You need to adjust a setting within accessibility for example to make password managers autofill properly. I use Bitwarden, now it typically requires one click on the S23.

This phone is faster in daily tasks than iOS. Scrolling, switching between apps, overall responsiveness / touch sampling rate feel faster. I've never said that before about Android, at least on a consistent basis.

Camera has worked perfectly for my needs. Notifications are set to only appear as icons on the top of my screen so all data always stays hidden until I want to view it. I don't care for the banners on iOS. I like having a calendar widget that is actually usable without opening the calendar, I can just scroll within the widget on my home screen. Home Up customization allows me to swipe up anytime and view all open apps at once as icons / small windows on the screen so I can quickly go back and forth. It is very useful.

Live sports widgets actually work, I have my NBA and MLB teams appear on my screen when they have games, no need to even install any app. I set it up once and done. And it doesn't pop up as a giant banner like I'd seen on iOS, it's a tiny widget the size of dynamic island oddly enough.

Google assistant destroys Siri, it isn't close. I've used it more in 3 weeks than I've used Siri in 1 year. I can just tell it to call whatever business or place I want and it will, I haven't had these results with Siri.

Different strokes for different folks. I still have my 14 Pro Max in case I really need to switch back, but so far the S23 has impressed me. Usually I don't last more than 3 months on Android, this time really feels different.

Since you are talking about Autofill and Bitwarden. I am wondering about that because my Android tries have never resulted in getting Autofill to work properly, as in it autofilling both in apps and in the browser with one click. Using Google Chrome for that is the closest I’ve gotten which worked mostly but still was a bit of a hassle sometimes.

Overall I am debating going full Android and getting the Tab S8+, Fold 4 and Galaxy Watch 5 but holding back because of many different things like the above that adds time and effort to things I do many times per day. I like Android and the possibilities with it but I do feel that many of the things aren‘t really done in a way which is as fluid as it is on iOS.
 

daveathall

macrumors 68020
Aug 6, 2010
2,379
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Reading through the responses, I have the following observations, Both Fingerprint and Face ID require a physical action and to use the phone one must always touch it in some way to achieve this.

As for battery life suddenly dying or not being so good, I have had this on most phones from both platforms that I have owned (Many iPhones and many Pixel and Samsung phones) but not on this S23 Ultra but will do so at some stage.

I think that autofill is slightly better with iOS but, I have 1 Password and tbh, it's not a dealbreaker.

I can't tell any difference on the fluidity between the two. Both are very smooth.

If I had only one app, using an iPhone Max, it would be placed in the top left corner of the screen and there is nothing I could do about it, using my S23 Ultra, I can and do, put the apps exactly where they fall under my thumb.

As for "The ecosystem," look at my sig and see the different tech equipment I have, add in Sonos, Philips Hue, Ultimate ears etc, it all works together and I'm a grumpy old man of 65 with no patience whatsoever and little to no technical knowledge, if you are so worried about this "eco system" you are either just making excuses, (which is okay, I did the same thing when I had all Apple) or are less technical gifted than me, which is a sad state of affairs on such an esteemed technical forum.

I can't comment on shutter lag because I have not experienced it.

Changing the charging system doesn't bother me in the slightest, I have never had a problem with either, so long as the wire is included when the phone is first purchased, I have a charger that will fit it, it's a minor gripe, having said that, the iPhone and my iPod Pro are the only items that I have recently owned that use Lightening adapter. Truthfully, I just plug my phone in to charge and don't give it a second thought.

I find the Google assistant the best and use it on my phone, I use Alexa in the house.

I find that Apps on both platforms are just as slick as each other and those that say otherwise are very finicky or have never used a flagship Android device and fall into the same category as those that say "Android phones lag," that may have been true 6 or 7 years ago but is none existent on flagship phones these days, I will have to ask my butler if the same is true for cheaper Android phones.

The stock music identifying thingy on an iPhone is no where near as good as the same thing that Google use. When I had a iPhone 14 pro, I gave up using it, it's that bad.

I find that the speakers produce a better sound on the S23 than the iPhone, but, I'm partially deaf so one should make up their own mind.

I find that the reason people often "go back" (either way) is just because the systems and way of doing things are so different and it becomes frustrating. Opinions are made too quickly and within the first 2 or 3 days, honestly, stick with it for a week or two and that epiphany moment will come, you will wonder why you never used an Android or iPhone before, because they are both superb, you are just used to doing it a different way, and therein, lies your bias.
 
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Lifeisabeach

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Dec 4, 2022
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This is a great write up on this. I agree with all of this but have a few thoughts.


I worry about USB-C being less durable. I find the Lightning port to be very durable to the point it will break the prong off the cable before it damages the port. I had this happen a while back when I had a battery pack plugged into my phone and both were in my pocket. I worry if it was USB-C the port would have gotten damages. It doesn't look as robust with that thin connector in the middle. Also it looks like it's going to be more difficult to clean.

This would be a great reason to use MagSafe battery packs for the iPhone.
 
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Technerd108

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"I find that the reason people often "go back" (either way) is just because the systems and way of doing things are so different and it becomes frustrating. Opinions are made to quickly and within the first 2 or 3 days, honestly, stick with it for a week or two and that epiphany moment will come, you will wonder why you never used an Android or iPhone before, because they are both superb, you are just used to doing it a different way, and therein, lies your bias."

Well said.

But iPhone does this better so I am right Android sucks.

But Android does this better so I am right iOS sucks.

On and on. Yet each person who continues to claim their bias is truth doesn't seem to understand that everything they said is an opinion.

I get sucked into these pointless debates when I hear some arrogant statement that just pisses me off. Most of the people who say those things are completely ignorant and the more they speak the more they reveal their ignorance on what they criticize.

The truth is none of it matters. Get what you like and enjoy it.

We are all biased and like certain things over others but it doesn't make our opinions objective truth.

I think some people really don't care about truth or facts and just want their opinions regurgitated back to them to confirm their bias. And others just like to argue.
 

kimjongbill

macrumors member
May 13, 2016
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That's what I did in 2020 when I got a Google Pixel. I switched back to iPhone in 2021 for the same reason. I love my Pixel, but I prefer iOS.
I did the same thing when I switched to the S8 in 2017 when it came out. I still absolutely love the design and the retinal scanner was awesome (although not nearly as good as FaceID) but I totally regret the purchase because the phone did not hold up well at allll. I mean, I guess it was six years ago, but the battery got absolutely wrecked after a year and the software got super laggy after a year and one OS update.

I got it because I was bored with iOS and I didn’t want to spend $1000 on the iPhone X, but I wish I did because I definitely could still use the iPhone X, but the S8 was unusable after two years.
 

eyoungren

macrumors Penryn
Aug 31, 2011
29,637
28,410
I did the same thing when I switched to the S8 in 2017 when it came out. I still absolutely love the design and the retinal scanner was awesome (although not nearly as good as FaceID) but I totally regret the purchase because the phone did not hold up well at allll. I mean, I guess it was six years ago, but the battery got absolutely wrecked after a year and the software got super laggy after a year and one OS update.

I got it because I was bored with iOS and I didn’t want to spend $1000 on the iPhone X, but I wish I did because I definitely could still use the iPhone X, but the S8 was unusable after two years.
My wife uses her Pixel every day. She's a teacher so she wants parents to have a work number and not her private number. She switches back and forth between her 11PM and her Pixel frequently.

I mentioned that I have my Pixel still as well, but I'm not really using it. My secondary phone went from being my old iPhone 5 to my 6s+ and I did not move the SIM to the Pixel when I got the 11PM.
 

russell_314

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Feb 10, 2019
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They moved on from it YEARS later, after tap to pay became much more common in stores. However, before that happened Apple's implementation struggled for years due to the lack of places it could be used. Let's not try to rewrite history please.
Wait you mean when a whole new format of wireless pay came out it wasn't instantly adopted by retailers everywhere. I'm shocked... Someone call the MacRumors editorial staff so they can write an article about this shocking revelation!
That doesn't change the point. As clearly demonstrated in the video, if you were using something with up to date tech, that wouldn't be an issue, hence the "yesteryear" statement.\
My iPhone has an up to date face unlock from 2017... I'm still waiting for Samsung to catch up to that one.
 

Harthag

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Jun 20, 2009
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Since you are talking about Autofill and Bitwarden. I am wondering about that because my Android tries have never resulted in getting Autofill to work properly, as in it autofilling both in apps and in the browser with one click. Using Google Chrome for that is the closest I’ve gotten which worked mostly but still was a bit of a hassle sometimes.

Overall I am debating going full Android and getting the Tab S8+, Fold 4 and Galaxy Watch 5 but holding back because of many different things like the above that adds time and effort to things I do many times per day. I like Android and the possibilities with it but I do feel that many of the things aren‘t really done in a way which is as fluid as it is on iOS.
Bitwarden works for me on all apps and websites. A pop up appears where you'd sign in to whatever app / site, I click on that and it fills. The first time you log in to a site or app it'll ask you to autofill and save, then it works properly after that sometimes not requiring a press.

I use Firefox as that has been the best overall experience for me in terms of autofill, as blocking, and Dark Reader extension which forces all websites to dark mode and true black background if you choose. I use Dark Reader with Safari on my iPhone and swear by it, it's the same on Android / Firefox.
 

ofarlig

macrumors 6502a
Jun 23, 2015
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Bitwarden works for me on all apps and websites. A pop up appears where you'd sign in to whatever app / site, I click on that and it fills. The first time you log in to a site or app it'll ask you to autofill and save, then it works properly after that sometimes not requiring a press.

I use Firefox as that has been the best overall experience for me in terms of autofill, as blocking, and Dark Reader extension which forces all websites to dark mode and true black background if you choose. I use Dark Reader with Safari on my iPhone and swear by it, it's the same on Android / Firefox.

Thanks! Sounds good, resolves one of the hurdles I saw with switching. Still haven’t fully made up my mind either way but any information helps.
 
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floral

macrumors 65816
Jan 12, 2023
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Anyone else planning on moving to Android once Apple switches to USB-C? Might as well have an Android at that point. Looking at the Lively Jitterbug Smart3.
Next thing you know, bringing back the Motorola processors and a return to non-Retina screens will make iPhones the next Android killer.
 
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gericb

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Feb 3, 2009
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Anyone else planning on moving to Android once Apple switches to USB-C? Might as well have an Android at that point. Looking at the Lively Jitterbug Smart3.
I don't get it, why would you stick with ANY device just because of the charging/data port?! 🤯 If that was your show-stopper metric for your platform decision, I think you'd be just as happy if one came with or without a sparkling unicorn sticker or had a built-in air freshener, just as good as any other reason. 🤪
 

Vref

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Feb 16, 2023
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Between the fit and finish, how creepy google has become, and the historic security differences between the two


I’m sticking with Apple

If I did get a android phone it for sure wouldn’t be running the google infected OSs


Per the charging port, doesn’t really matter much for me, for the vast majority of my charging I use a wireless chargers

Got a few in the house, car has one built in, etc
 
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