Moving to Android

[dumastudetto]

Autofill? Not there. Biometrics? Definitely not there.

Autofill is absolutely terrible on Android admittedly. As is the way Chrome saves the same password multiple times when it detects slight variances in the URL. I can almost never get apps to autofill the passwords I have saved in Chrome. Autofill works fine when browsing web versions of the app in Chrome.

Biometrics are OK. Nothing like Face ID certainly, but then there are people on iOS who miss having the finger unlock option that they can get on Android.

 

[daveathall]

I didn't mind Face ID on my iPhone 14 Pro, it was silky fast, the same way as FPS on my Galaxy s23 Ultra was silky fast. They both work supremely well, I just pick up my phone differently, either works brilliantly. Got to admit, it's really a non issue for me, I have to move my head slightly or my thumb slightly depending on which phone I have.

If some prefer one over the other, that's fair enough, it's personal preference.

 

[HouseLannister]

Autofill is absolutely terrible on Android admittedly. As is the way Chrome saves the same password multiple times when it detects slight variances in the URL. I can almost never get apps to autofill the passwords I have saved in Chrome. Autofill works fine when browsing web versions of the app in Chrome.

Try Firefox + Bitwarden add-on. Works just like the desktop plugins with perfect autofill, no prompts for biometrics or passwords. Kind of magical.

 

[aue123]

Yep.

What locks me into Apple is really:

• Family all have iOS devices now so shared calendar and reminders
• iMessage
• Photos.app
• Apple Music
• iCloud+ handles my domain.

Anything else I could leave in a heartbeat.

I actually have apple music on my s23 ultra, seems to be working perfectly.

 

[lionofthesouth]

I have an iPhone 13 Pro max. The only reason I’m not getting rid and moving to S23U is Apple Maps.

I’ve had Android phones for many years and always been happy with them. But I use navigation every day for work, and it wasn’t until I bought an iPhone XS Max a couple of years ago, that I realised how good maps was ( for my use).

I live in uk and deliver and collect from properties , a lot of which are named properties in rural areas. Google maps will get me in the area of course, but Apple Maps always (or 99% of the time)gets me to the door, which saves time, sometimes a lot of time.

I could, of course, keep both phones, but that would make the S23U too expensive imo.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Good lord. I’m not even going to try justifying my statements. I’m clearly very in the wrong with my personal experiences and opinions so I’m going to respectfully bow out of this tragedy. Sorry for derailing an otherwise stellar thread.

 

[Harthag]

If you don't like those examples, we can continue. Apple (in typical fashion) was late to the 120hz game, and certainly did NOT do it correctly. The 13 Pro Max had plenty of issues with lag and dropped framerate. Apple increased the zoom on the 13 Pro Max, and only went to 3x optical, and had a lousy 10x digital. That's doing zoom correctly? Notifications? Come on now. Apple has a long way to go. When they came out with their OLED display (finally), it was a low end poor resolution implementation. That was doing it correct? I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea. That whole notion of "when they implement something they usually wait and do it correctly", is nonsense.

Was it stated somewhere that Apple doesn't even hit 120hz refresh rate in daily use like internet, or only implements it in certain circumstances, and that it usually "only" targets 90hz? I'll have to try and find where I saw that, maybe I misread.

I also am very tired of the notch and DI (notch 2.0). I got used to it over the years and tolerated it. I never LOL at commercials or really anything tech related. When I saw the MacBook reveal a couple years ago with that notch I died and couldn't believe it. I have never seen a more useless and intrusive design choice. You can't tell me with a straight face that a notch is practical on a laptop. That's just pathetic. "But you can hide it / darken out the top of the screen" I've heard. Ridiculous.

Autofill is absolutely terrible on Android admittedly. As is the way Chrome saves the same password multiple times when it detects slight variances in the URL. I can almost never get apps to autofill the passwords I have saved in Chrome. Autofill works fine when browsing web versions of the app in Chrome.

Biometrics are OK. Nothing like Face ID certainly, but then there are people on iOS who miss having the finger unlock option that they can get on Android.

See the post I quoted below.

Try Firefox + Bitwarden add-on. Works just like the desktop plugins with perfect autofill, no prompts for biometrics or passwords. Kind of magical.

Exactly! I can't believe how well it works.

 

[Harthag]

Good lord. I’m not even going to try justifying my statements. I’m clearly very in the wrong with my personal experiences and opinions so I’m going to respectfully bow out of this tragedy. Sorry for derailing an otherwise stellar thread.

I tried to refrain from posting when I saw the thread, then for some reason took the bait and wrote an essay or two 😂.

 

[maxrest]

I tried to refrain from posting when I saw the thread, then for some reason took the bait and wrote an essay or two 😂.

Lmao same! Seems like some people in this thread believe their opinion is the only correct opinion 🙃

 

[h.gilbert]

This doesn't make much sense to me. It's pretty straight forward... I don't know what's confusing about logging in when you set the phone up. Heck, with Samsung, you can literally use your Google account to do it. What's so confusing about that?

Might have changed when I last used Samsung. But for MIUI the menu settings are definitely not very clear in terms of what is under Xiaomi and what is Google/Android.

That makes no sense at all. Additionally, "robust" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Your use of it, doesn't really make sense there. Anyway, considering pretty much everything uses USB C nowadays, including new cars...I'm going to go ahead and call what you said way off the mark.

Appreciate your concern for my use of the word "robust" here, but I can assure I've used it here appropriately. Anecdotally, Lightning has been more reliable than USB-C. From a quick google search a lot of people seem to share this view. Obviously as you say USB-C is more widely used so has that benefit.

You really keep phones for 4 years?! Yikes...

Sometimes it's 4, sometimes it's 2. It changes. Don't be too concerned over a stranger's phone upgrade frequency. As long as the phone still receives security updates, it's good to use. Given the current climate, it's a good thing to upgrade less frequently.

ACTUALLY...you can make anything full screen. You can even go as far as hiding the notification panel, and make every app utilize 100% of the display, something you can't do on iPhone.

Yes you can, but sometimes it hides UI elements, or makes it look a little rough, because that particular app hasn't been specifically designed for the phone. One of the benefits of iPhone is that it doesn't have this issue.

 

[h.gilbert]

So 4 major OS versions + one additional year of security updates (current Samsung pledge) is terrible while 5 years of major OS updates and then no guaranteed security fixes (e.g. iPhone 7, from iOS 10 to iOS 15) is just fine?

4 yr OS + 1 yr security is the just best case scenario for an android. Plenty of android phones won't get that much.

 

[h.gilbert]

I didn't take offence.
If you've spent years on iOS and in the fruity ecosystem then changing will take a learning curve that plenty cannot be bothered with and I totally get that. Just don't say that your reluctance is due to Android not being quite there. It's totally there.

Being "there" is literally the most subjective thing ever. I don't know why you're trying to start an argument.

 

[Roadstar]

4 yr OS + 1 yr security is the just best case scenario for an android. Plenty of android phones won't get that much.

Still the original message talked about even $1k plus models only getting a terrible support, even though the iPhone support period isn't that much longer anymore. Besides, the support models aren't directly comparable as iOS does only full OS updates for everything while Android has major OS updates and security updates separately, and also more and more system components are updated through Google Play Services without needing any kind of OS updates from the vendor.

 

[h.gilbert]

Still the original message talked about even $1k plus models only getting a terrible support, even though the iPhone support period isn't that much longer anymore. Besides, the support models aren't directly comparable as iOS does only full OS updates for everything while Android has major OS updates and security updates separately, and also more and more system components are updated through Google Play Services without needing any kind of OS updates from the vendor.

I still think 4yr OS plus 1 security is bad for a $1k plus phone.

 

[Roadstar]

I still think 4yr OS plus 1 security is bad for a $1k plus phone.

But is that really that much different from 5 major OS versions where your device gets only a small subset of features in the last one or two updates?

 

[h.gilbert]

But is that really that much different from 5 major OS versions where your device gets only a small subset of features in the last one or two updates?

IMO yes because even the cheaper sub 1k iPhones get more support. I guess for me it's important because I hate the idea of things going to waste.

 

[Roadstar]

IMO yes because even the cheaper sub 1k iPhones get more support. I guess for me it's important because I hate the idea of things going to waste.

Well, the iPhone 7 series got only 5 years of OS updates. Started with iOS 10 and went only up to iOS 15. That's not a big difference to 4+1.

 

[cuzo]

I agree.

My point was that it is a design choice by Android OEM'S not an inferior device as some iPhone owners seem to imply.

The lack of a face id system on Android is a design choice because they would rather have a smaller hole punch cut out for a single camera for selfies and convenient face unlock rather than a huge notch or pill cutout and instead utilize a fingerprint scanner for secure authentication.

People who have iPhones seem to think that because Android doesn't implement a FaceID system it is inferior but they don't understand that since phones lost bezels Android OEM'S made a choice for users that a small hole punch cut out is better for the user experience and I agree.

I would rather be able to use almost all of my screen for viewing content than have a large distracting pill cutout and "dynamic island" to cover up the eyesore with new features that you already have with notification system or just going into an app or using voice control.

It is this smug attitude and marketing spin that bothers me.

I don't care what anyone uses or what they prefer, but don't act like one authentication method is superior when they both accomplish the same thing and one is much less intrusive on the screen.

I would rather take a second longer to use a fingerprint sensor than FaceID if I get more screen since besides calling is the most important aspect of a smartphone.

When technology evolves to a point where you can use the FaceID sensors under the screen and invisible to the user then it will be a feature I want to see implemented on Android phones and when that tech arrives and Apple implements it and Android OEM'S still don't then an argument could be made that iPhone is superior because there would be no good reason why Android OEM'S couldn't at that point. Until then I prefer how Android does authentication and think it is superior or at least as good as Apple.

Use what you like. No problem. Prefer what you like. But don't say that what you like is superior when from a usability perspective it really isn't. And certainly don't try to act like it is better than anything else just because you prefer it. Also the fact that Apple said they would never use a hole punch cut out because of the reasons I stated and then back tracked and use what Android has been using for years and act like it is better is amazing to me. It is not better for the very reasons Apple originally said it wasn't and used a notch. But now dynamic island causes amnesia and everyone seems to think it is wonderful.

I just don't get it.

disagree

When I think of a modern phone, I think iPhone over Android simply for the ease of use and the basic functions.

Alot of what you described you'll better suited for a tablet.

iPhone even the MAX isn't meant for complete media consumption, I still think phones have to do the basics, call, text and browse but light browsing and it's not healthily for your eyes staring into a 6.5-inch screen for hours a day, your eyes need a break.

So, I look at iPhone as pretty much the king of the basics, banking, texting, calling and so forth I don't even think gaming on such a small screen is good for your eyes, but developers aren't going to target iPad over iPhone.

I think for basic use FACE ID is a must, no one wants to finger scans 20 times a day.

 

[animalx]

I also am very tired of the notch and DI (notch 2.0). I got used to it over the years and tolerated it. I never LOL at commercials or really anything tech related. When I saw the MacBook reveal a couple years ago with that notch I died and couldn't believe it. I have never seen a more useless and intrusive design choice. You can't tell me with a straight face that a notch is practical on a laptop. That's just pathetic. "But you can hide it / darken out the top of the screen" I've heard. Ridiculous.

I couldn't agree more!

Appreciate your concern for my use of the word "robust" here, but I can assure I've used it here appropriately. Anecdotally, Lightning has been more reliable than USB-C. From a quick google search a lot of people seem to share this view. Obviously as you say USB-C is more widely used so has that benefit.

Honestly, that doesn't mean much. Nobody goes online to make a post or write an article about their phone port working as expected. So of course, the only things you'll see is the problems someone had. Google lightning port problems, and you'll see the exact same thing...complaints.

Yes you can, but sometimes it hides UI elements, or makes it look a little rough, because that particular app hasn't been specifically designed for the phone. One of the benefits of iPhone is that it doesn't have this issue.

It doesn't. This statement isn't based in fact.

 

[Danfango]

I actually have apple music on my s23 ultra, seems to be working perfectly.

Yeah I tried it on this thing. It's fairly good but just not quite as good as iOS. It's not that Apple didn't try either. It feels like one of the more solid Android apps.

 

[Dave.UK]

disagree

When I think of a modern phone, I think iPhone over Android simply for the ease of use and the basic functions.

Alot of what you described you'll better suited for a tablet.

iPhone even the MAX isn't meant for complete media consumption, I still think phones have to do the basics, call, text and browse but light browsing and it's not healthily for your eyes staring into a 6.5-inch screen for hours a day, your eyes need a break.

So, I look at iPhone as pretty much the king of the basics, banking, texting, calling and so forth I don't even think gaming on such a small screen is good for your eyes, but developers aren't going to target iPad over iPhone.

I think for basic use FACE ID is a must, no one wants to finger scans 20 times a day.

What a load of nonsense!

 

[animalx]

disagree

When I think of a modern phone, I think iPhone over Android simply for the ease of use and the basic functions.

You figure that how?

So, I look at iPhone as pretty much the king of the basics, banking, texting, calling and so forth I don't even think gaming on such a small screen is good for your eyes, but developers aren't going to target iPad over iPhone.

You're kidding right? You can't even put the banking app in it's own secure area of the phone, but it's somehow the king of it? That is laughable. Texting? How? Based on what? It doesn't even have a smart lock, so you're constantly having to unlock the phone when you're having a text conversation. Calling?! I KNOW you're joking with that. The calling experience is absolutely dreadful on iPhone. It doesn't even have a basic smart dialer (that has been around since before the iPhone existed), instead you have to find the contact you want to call. It can't answer calls and speak to telemarketers. It can't give you menu options on your screen when you call a customer service number. It can't wait on hold for you, when a customer service number has you waiting.
It's one thing to be a fan of something, but it's another to outright ignore facts.

I think for basic use FACE ID is a must, no one wants to finger scans 20 times a day.

Again, you must be joking. When you have your phone laying on a table, which one is easier, tapping the phone or having to pick the phone up to unlock it/lean over it? If you're in a text conversation with someone, no one wants to be leaning over the table or picking their phone up 20 times in 10 minutes just to text with someone.

 

[h.gilbert]

Honestly, that doesn't mean much. Nobody goes online to make a post or write an article about their phone port working as expected. So of course, the only things you'll see is the problems someone had. Google lightning port problems, and you'll see the exact same thing...complaints.

Anecdotes don't mean much, correct. Before you jump to conclusions again I didn't just google "USBC port not working" because obviously that wouldn't answer the question of durability of USB-C versus Lightning. Google properly and you will see most people think Lightning is more durable. If you think the best way to research this question is googling "USBC problems" followed by "Lightning port problems", then I think take a look at yourself before assuming other people are equally as inhibited.

It doesn't. This statement isn't based in fact.

I know how apps render on my android phone thank you. Again, I can research on the internet properly and can see that generally most people agree that iOS apps are tailored better for iPhone than Android apps for Android phones.

 

[jamezr]

I think for basic use FACE ID is a must, no one wants to finger scans 20 times a day.

wait...so using FaceID when you swipe up...isn't that the same as "finger scan" as you say?
I have a 14 PM and a S23U and to be honest they both take the same amount of effort to get to the homescreen.

 

[animalx]

Anecdotes don't mean much, correct. Before you jump to conclusions again I didn't just google "USBC port not working" because obviously that wouldn't answer the question of durability of USB-C versus Lightning. Google properly and you will see most people think Lightning is more durable. If you think the best way to research this question is googling "USBC problems" followed by "Lightning port problems", then I think take a look at yourself before assuming other people are equally as inhibited.

What survey did you conduct to determine "most people think lightning is more durable"? Most people don't even know the names of the ports that are out there, let alone know enough to have an opinion of which technology is more durable. So yeah, I'd love to see what field research you're referencing.

I know how apps render on my android phone thank you. Again, I can research on the internet properly and can see that generally most people agree that iOS apps are tailored better for iPhone than Android apps for Android phones.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, as demonstrated by your prior statement. You weren't even aware that you could use any app in full screen. Then you tried to move the goal post talking about "sometimes it hides UI elements". So how about this? Since you know so much, provide me with a real world example. Let's see it.