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Android switch?

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segfaultdotorg

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Across the entire ecosystem, it's the Lightning Port that keeps you buying iPhones ? 😐
Yes, works with my Ipad MINI 1 and my AirPods Pro. No need for any other connector. Can't go changing all the cars from 6V electrical systems to 12V, can we?
 

257Loner

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I admire many different smartphones not made by Apple, but I'm sorta tied in to the Apple ecosystem, so it's not really worth changing for me. And it's not just that Apple has my photos and music files. I've grown up on Mac and iOS software, and I don't have the time to relearn software I'm not already familiar with.
 
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PsykX

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Yes, works with my Ipad MINI 1 and my AirPods Pro. No need for any other connector. Can't go changing all the cars from 6V electrical systems to 12V, can we?
Wow, generally speaking, the Lightning port is the thing that actually annoys people in the ecosystem. I for one can't wait until they get rid of it.
 
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Shanghaichica

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The Mag Safe charging on iPhone has spoiled me. So USBc is not some deal breaker to me. lol.
Yeah I don’t really use wired charging for my iphone. I use magsafe 99% of the time. The only things that I have that still use lightning are my AirPods Pro, air pods max and some of my Apple TV Remotes but I don’t charge those that often. Definitely not every day.
 

Ludatyk

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I think the design of the 13 Pro Max is really good. If anything I was hoping for an under display sensor system Not a pill hole cutout.

I don't see the pill cutout adding anything. I think it is an eyesore and that is my personal biased opinion.
I agree, having an in display sensor system would have been dope.

But what you are missing is.... evolution. Right now, the technology is not as polished as Apple would have preferred. I tend to believe design or engineering is about process. There's steps involved as in order to get to point C... you have to start with part A then B.

Apple removed the notch and the next stage of that is the pill cutout. Granted, it is a large pill cutout... but it's housed with so much technology than any other smartphone. So, they took the pill cutout and designed something behind it which I think it's quite clever.

You said it yourself it's a potential stop gap solution. And Apple has the notch since 2017... it was time for a change lol.
 
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Jumpthesnark

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Five pages on a thread from someone whose recent posts largely focus on comparing yellow iPhones to urine (that's some good comedy!), and the rest are similar pleas for attention. Lots to click "ignore" on already today.
 

Knowlege Bomb

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I was saying that both of our opinions are biased and your post was acting like your opinion was fact and my opinion was an opinion?

I don't agree that a fingerprint sensor is not even close to FaceID. Your opinion.

8 days of use for whatever device is not the same as using a new s23 series with a good ultrasonic fingerprint reader. How long have you used FaceID? But I will agree that fingerprint reader can slower than FaceID at times. If you give it more of a chance the fingerprint reader can be extremely accurate.

Just like my opinion on pill cutout is that it is an eyesore and stopgap measure until under display tech is ready for iphone.

Hope that clarifies what I said.
Eight days of use of an S23 is exactly the same as using a new s23 with a good ultrasonic fingerprint reader. The fingerprint reader is okay but the failure rate was way too high for a device that expensive. Same with the facial recognition.

I don’t think my saying FaceID is better is opinion. If one works 100% of the time and the other doesn’t that’s clear evidence, no?
 

okkibs

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Anyone else planning on moving to Android once Apple switches to USB-C?
Huh? Switching to USB-C removes one of the iPhone's biggest disadvantages compared to Android phones. If anything, USB-C will make iPhones more competitive.

Yeah I don’t really use wired charging for my iphone.
Same for me, but when I am on the go and forgot to bring a Lightning cable I can't charge in the car or with the powerbank, I can't connect to the iPad... that is one of the main reasons I daily drive a Pixel, since I have a dozen USB-C cables around and just a single Lightning one left that isn't broken, I am unwilling to give Apple another cent for anything Lightning.

All it took was one weekend away from home forgetting that stupid cable and realizing I have 5% battery left for the next 24 hours. If the car broke down in the middle of nowhere I couldn't call for help. Now the iPhone stays in a drawer and is only used to keep the Apple Watch working. Not to mention that Graphene'd Pixel actually lasts for four days which is about twice of what I got out of it before, and nearly double the iPhone battery runtime as well.

Five pages on a thread from someone whose recent posts largely focus on comparing yellow iPhones to urine
Wow, I do recognize a cash grab when I see one, but that yellow iPhone is pretty nontheless.
 

daveathall

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I moved from a iPhone 14 Pro to a Galaxy S23 Ultra, I regard it as a better phone. Most of my other tech equipment such as MacBook Air, iPad Air and Mini, AirPods, Sonos, Ultimate Ears, Philips Hue, work with my Samsung phone, I can't get WhatsApp on my iPads but can on my MacBook Air, I use Google Calendar, I always have, even when I had an iPhone, I just find it better, I stored my photos with Google and still do, in regards to my e mail, Apple mail is my 3rd in line of importance to me. I don't find the apps to be any less polished and do my banking on my phone, I use my AirPods to listen to the HD music I have stored on my phone, I would not have been able to afford the same sort of storage on an iPhone. I will probably switch to the Galaxy Bud Pro 2. Spotify and Amazon music work flawlessly as do all the video apps I use. I am looking at buying a Garmin Epix 2 which I can use the excellent Garmin app on all of my devices, I would have kept my Apple Watches if they could have been used with my iPads, but they can't. I am happy with how everything works together between devices of different manufacturer.
 
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johnmacward

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Anyone else planning on moving to Android once Apple switches to USB-C? Might as well have an Android at that point. Looking at the Lively Jitterbug Smart3.
Did you actually prefer Lightning? Did you actually prefer paying 30$ a cable and a port that constantly fills with lint and dust? A port and cable that’s non standard and only some people have ? Your logic for moving could only be that, if it isn’t, enlighten me.
 
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Roadstar

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Cons
  • Terrible support compared to iPhone. Even $1k plus flagship Android phones only get 4 years of OS updates max. My Redmi will get about two years of OS updates in total. However at only $300, I can just sell and buy a new mid-range Android when it runs out of support.

So 4 major OS versions + one additional year of security updates (current Samsung pledge) is terrible while 5 years of major OS updates and then no guaranteed security fixes (e.g. iPhone 7, from iOS 10 to iOS 15) is just fine?
 

Roadstar

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Face ID is a trademark for Apple's face unlock. Your Samsung would have some type of face unlock but from my understanding android phone face unlock can be fooled with a picture. Maybe they fixed it with the newer Samsung phones. I have an older Samsung phone and it warns me face unlock isn't secure.

Do you think Apple Face ID is faster than the in screen Samsung fingerprint reader? I thought that was supposed to be faster? I love 1Password till it randomly asks for my master password 🤣

It's still the case with Samsung's face unlock. They acknowledge it's more a convenience feature than a security feature and won't let you use it for more critical transactions. Apple's FaceID, on the other hand, is a real deal that uses infrared to map the contours of your face instead of just image recognition.
 
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Technerd108

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It's still the case with Samsung's face unlock. They acknowledge it's more a convenience feature than a security feature and won't let you use it for more critical transactions. Apple's FaceID, on the other hand, is a real deal that uses infrared to map the contours of your face instead of just image recognition.
Kind of like Soli on Pixel? FaceID can exist on Android too.

The fact is that FaceID uses a lot of sensors that can't be hidden and so you either have an ugly pill cutout like Apple just implemented which is a terrible stop gap design choice or you use a different secure authentication method and a small hole punch cutout for just the selfie camera.

Android phone designers could use an infrared FaceID system but since phones are all screen now they have purposely chosen not to go that route.

I don't get why Apple users think their phones are so superior just because they have FaceID. If you like and don't mind a notch or pill cutout then fine but it doesn't make it superior.

From a media consumption and overall aesthetic perspective just having a small hole punch cutout and using a fingerprint reader for authentication is a superior method.

People just seem to buy into marketing over true aesthetics.

And neither FaceID or Fingerprint reader are foolproof 100%. They are used as a convenience feature for the user so they don't have to input a pin code every time they need to do something that requires a high level of security.

On top of that Mac's use a fingerprint reader so do ipads so it can't be inferior. Also Windows PCS have had a true unlock with Windows Hello that is better than Mac's or phones since you don't have to enter any pin on start up. Just look at your PC as you start your computer and you are instantly logged in. Can't do the with FaceID, can't do that on a Mac.
 
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Roadstar

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Kind of like Soli on Pixel? FaceID can exist on Android too.

The fact is that FaceID uses a lot of sensors that can't be hidden and so you either have an ugly pill cutout like Apple just implemented which is a terrible stop gap design choice or you use a different secure authentication method and a small hole punch cutout for just the selfie camera.

Android phone designers could use an infrared FaceID system but since phones are all screen now they have purposely chosen not to go that route.

I don't get why Apple users think their phones are so superior just because they have FaceID. If you like and don't mind a notch or pill cutout then fine but it doesn't make it superior.

From a media consumption and overall aesthetic perspective just having a small hole punch cutout and using a fingerprint reader for authentication is a superior method.

People just seem to buy into marketing over true aesthetics.

And neither FaceID or Fingerprint reader are foolproof 100%. They are used as a convenience feature for the user so they don't have to input a pin code every time they need to do something that requires a high level of security.

On top of that Mac's use a fingerprint reader so do ipads so it can't be inferior. Also Windows PCS have had a true unlock with Windows Hello that is better than Mac's or phones since you don't have to enter any pin on start up. Just look at your PC as you start your computer and you are instantly logged in. Can't do the with FaceID, can't do that on a Mac.

Yep, Soli was another face recognition solution that was up there at the same level with FaceID security-wise. However, what we're currently seeing in most Android devices is an solution that's based on image recognition and not as secure as FaceID/Soli type of face recognition. But as long as e.g. Samsung makes it obvious that it's actually not a security feature but a convenience feature instead, I don't see a problem with offering that. Naturally I'd like to see more secure face recognition solutions offered more widely on Android as well, so then we could see which company would be the first to offer both secure face unlock and fingerprint authentication on the same device.
 
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Technerd108

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Yep, Soli was another face recognition solution that was up there at the same level with FaceID security-wise. However, what we're currently seeing in most Android devices is an solution that's based on image recognition and not as secure as FaceID/Soli type of face recognition. But as long as e.g. Samsung makes it obvious that it's actually not a security feature but a convenience feature instead, I don't see a problem with offering that. Naturally I'd like to see more secure face recognition solutions offered more widely on Android as well, so then we could see which company would be the first to offer both secure face unlock and fingerprint authentication on the same device.

I agree.

My point was that it is a design choice by Android OEM'S not an inferior device as some iPhone owners seem to imply.

The lack of a face id system on Android is a design choice because they would rather have a smaller hole punch cut out for a single camera for selfies and convenient face unlock rather than a huge notch or pill cutout and instead utilize a fingerprint scanner for secure authentication.

People who have iPhones seem to think that because Android doesn't implement a FaceID system it is inferior but they don't understand that since phones lost bezels Android OEM'S made a choice for users that a small hole punch cut out is better for the user experience and I agree.

I would rather be able to use almost all of my screen for viewing content than have a large distracting pill cutout and "dynamic island" to cover up the eyesore with new features that you already have with notification system or just going into an app or using voice control.

It is this smug attitude and marketing spin that bothers me.

I don't care what anyone uses or what they prefer, but don't act like one authentication method is superior when they both accomplish the same thing and one is much less intrusive on the screen.

I would rather take a second longer to use a fingerprint sensor than FaceID if I get more screen since besides calling is the most important aspect of a smartphone.

When technology evolves to a point where you can use the FaceID sensors under the screen and invisible to the user then it will be a feature I want to see implemented on Android phones and when that tech arrives and Apple implements it and Android OEM'S still don't then an argument could be made that iPhone is superior because there would be no good reason why Android OEM'S couldn't at that point. Until then I prefer how Android does authentication and think it is superior or at least as good as Apple.

Use what you like. No problem. Prefer what you like. But don't say that what you like is superior when from a usability perspective it really isn't. And certainly don't try to act like it is better than anything else just because you prefer it. Also the fact that Apple said they would never use a hole punch cut out because of the reasons I stated and then back tracked and use what Android has been using for years and act like it is better is amazing to me. It is not better for the very reasons Apple originally said it wasn't and used a notch. But now dynamic island causes amnesia and everyone seems to think it is wonderful.

I just don't get it.
 
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JPBoney71

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Anyone else planning on moving to Android once Apple switches to USB-C? Might as well have an Android at that point. Looking at the Lively Jitterbug Smart3.
This post smells like satire... Lol
"Lively Jitterbug Smart 3"
I believe that was the phone my grandmother kept in her glove compartment "in case of an emergency, dear."
 
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Technerd108

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This post smells like satire... Lol
"Lively Jitterbug Smart 3"
I believe that was the phone my grandmother kept in her glove compartment "in case of an emergency, dear."
Totally agree.

Sour grapes iPhone user. Just trying to insult Android users while pretending to make a dig on iphone. Sarcasm at it's best.

But the joke is on them.

USB C brings a lot of benefits for iPhone users. Just too bad it seems like Apple is going to limit the port functioning and speed.

Every Apple product but their current phone uses USB C. But I guess it sucks because..... Android. Lol
 

daveathall

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As I have said before, I am not technically gifted so just after a bit of info after reading some of the posts here. I use an Anker 45watt superfast charger with a Anker Thunderbolt 4 cable, this gives me super fast charging, in reality it is very fast and it also indicates on my S23 Ultra that this is the case.

Here is the bit I am unsure about though, some have said that Apple throttle charging speeds, I use a Anker Nano II USB 65watt fast charger with a Thunderbolt 4 cable, this has always struck me as not very fast, is the speed being throttled?

It's not a game changer if it is, just nice to know.
 

Technerd108

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As I have said before, I am not technically gifted so just after a bit of info after reading some of the posts here. I use an Anker 45watt superfast charger with a Anker Thunderbolt 4 cable, this gives me super fast charging, in reality it is very fast and it also indicates on my S23 Ultra that this is the case.

Here is the bit I am unsure about though, some have said that Apple throttle charging speeds, I use a Anker Nano II USB 65watt fast charger with a Thunderbolt 4 cable, this has always struck me as not very fast, is the speed being throttled?

It's not a game changer if it is, just nice to know.

It depends. Throttling data speeds is one thing and charging speeds are completely different.

On the new iPhone 15 there are rumors that Apple will throttle data speeds to USBC 2. Whether that pans out to be true is anyone's guess at this point.

In terms of charging speeds that is determined by the hardware. So I think iPhone 14 is 28 watts or something like that. So your Anker charger will fast charge only as fast as the hardware is capable of.

Same could be true if you had a 65 watt charger and plugged it into the s23 ultra as it would only charge at 45 watts because that is as fast as the hardware will allow.

In terms of Apple there are also rumors that unless you use an Apple certified cable that data speeds might be capped lower than the device is capable of.

Hope that makes sense.
 
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daveathall

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It depends. Throttling data speeds is one thing and charging speeds are completely different.

On the new iPhone 15 there are rumors that Apple will throttle data speeds to USBC 2. Whether that pans out to be true is anyone's guess at this point.

In terms of charging speeds that is determined by the hardware. So I think iPhone 14 is 28 watts or something like that. So your Anker charger will fast charge only as fast as the hardware is capable of.

Same could be true if you had a 65 watt charger and plugged it into the s23 ultra as it would only charge at 45 watts because that is as fast as the hardware will allow.

In terms of Apple there are also rumors that unless you use an Apple certified cable that data speeds might be capped lower than the device is capable of.

Hope that makes sense.
Thank you, sorry, I missed the most important part out, I am talking about charging my Mac Book Air M2. I really appreciate your answer. Thank you very much.

Just to add, your answer makes perfect sense. Thank you again.
 

Technerd108

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Thank you, sorry, I missed the most important part out, I am talking about charging my Mac Book Air M2. I really appreciate your answer. Thank you very much.

Just to add, your answer makes perfect sense. Thank you again.
I believe the M2 MBA is rated at 65 watts. So any USB C charger rated at 65 watts will charge it at it's fastest speed.

Your 45 watt charger is still a fast charger so it will charge faster than the original charger that Apple includes by default.

You should also be able to use the Magsafe cable and plug it into the Anker charger as long as the charger outputs using USBC.

It will charge your M2 MBA at 45 watts and should not be throttled no matter if you use MagSafe or Anker thunderbolt cable.
 
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