You could theoretically still have the same closed source version of iOS on a non-Apple phone, for instance, it’s possible to install MacOS on a PC.
I was saying that (in theory) if iOS weren’t locked to iPhones, I wouldn’t be using an iPhone.
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I was saying that (in theory) if iOS weren’t locked to iPhones, I wouldn’t be using an iPhone.
True but then the main feature of iOS or macOS goes out the window. Reliability. Apple's operating systems are reliable partly due to how they design it for specific hardware. A hackentosh will never be as reliable or secure compared to an actual Mac. It's good fun to play with though if you just like to tinker.
Yes, I was going to mention that it wouldn’t be a 1:1 match unless Apple A-Series chips were used due to optimisation.
No one has to take what I meant literally… I was merely saying that iOS is what keeps me loyal to Apple, not the designs of their phones because there are better examples elsewhere.
Yes, I do think it's faster and more reliable. I don't have the random master password problem - or haven't yet. but I've used it for years but only recently on Ios.
AppleTV - I don't watch TV or anything like Netflix
iPad - I have a pretty strong opinion about these. Admittedly never owned one but have used friend's and relatives' many times over the years. I just think it's an awkward middle ground between a phone and a laptop where it performs both functions worse. Hated typing on them and if you get a one of those keyboard cases for it it feels like it's about to fall apart. My MBP 13 isn't much larger yet has a built in keyboard and the screen holds itself up, plus it has a fully fledged OS. My phone is nigh on 7", MBP is 13", do I really need something between that?
Apple watch - always thought they looked a bit dorky and I don't want to be tied to technology even more than I already am.
A decent laptop and big 6+ inch phone has me covered for most situations.
Looking at their recent blunders in fixing things on the "port front" (looking at you, 10th gen iPad!), I certainly wouldn't get my hopes up too much.
It won't be "one cable does it all" anyways. Anyone dreaming of super high (TB4/USB4) data transfer speeds and super fast charging speeds on iPhones (let alone Macs) on the same cable will be disappointed. The reality is that USB2 speeds and 30W charging are fast enough for almost any iPhone user - especially if you factor in the price of the cable.
agree with accidental unlocks...but then give us the option to enable or disable that feature
Still happy with my iPhone 4 and iPhone 5. I'll switch to Android once blue bubbles are supported.
Face ID has been 100% for me since returning the S23 Ultra. Both the fingerprint and the facial recognition were terrible.
Who uses cables for transfers anymore? Everything of mine goes to the cloud automatically. I realize not everyone can have unlimited data access but for those who can, cables are unnecessary.
Exactly. It’s a rare occasion that my iPhone gets violated with a cable.
AirMessage is apparently a good bridge.
Or really good AI.
For me, Roku, Timex, Nokia T20.
Roku is easy. ATV is too complex.
I have a watch that tells the time.
Done.
Also have a phone that makes calls.
Done and Done.
Too many things iPad isn't good at.
I don't use face ID on my T20 even though it does work.
I also realize I'm beating a dead horse on this forum.
Keeping in mind though, this section is about alternatives to Apple.
Few people.
Sure, Apples promotes the iPhone's video recording capabilities, and video files can have large file sizes. But I agree that USB data transfers isn't much relevant for the average consumer.
Then again, reading enthusiast forums like this one, there's going to be a negative uproar for anything less than Thunderbolt 4 on a "Pro" iPhone.
Okay guys, I think this thread has run its course. Not only the original post from the OP makes no logical sense (switching to Android because iPhone gets USB-C? Huh? Android uses USB-C already), the discussion has become simply debate about iPhone vs Android.
I cannot stand FaceID as long as it makes a notch or “dynamic island” take up way too much screen space and look awful. If Apple can put FaceID behind the display, great! Until then, I would prefer iOS with Apple silicon in a Samsung or even Nothing Phone 1. For years Apple has screwed up the screen badly. And now the Macs get the same ugly treatment they call their design language!
I don’t know what you’re on about. I like how the notch looks, especially after the Samsung “dig” commercials. What’s more iconic than this?
The Dynamic Island is a fantastic evolution of what was a great-for l-the-time iPhone feature. I had the hole punch display on the S23 and am happy to be back to the useful space that is the DI.
Dynasty Island is great marketing.
Apple: we will never use a hole punch cut out because it will be too big with our advanced sensors and it goes against our design aesthetics and creates useless space. We use a notch because of our advanced Face ID.
Apple: Look at our new advanced hole punch pill cutout. We added Dynamic island to make the ugly cutout useful.
I will take a notch over dynamic island every day. Dynamic island is a distraction tactic to hide how ugly and large their hole punch cut out is. It wastes more space than the notch and they simply took a feature Android has had for years slapped a new feature on it and abruptly changed design.
Try watching a video with the huge hole punch cut out. It doesn't add useable viewing space and is more distracting than the notch ever was.
I will wait until they get an under display sensor system or use an iPhone 13 or regular iPhone with a notch before I would ever buy the dynamic crap island.
It is amazing how Apple can make a bad design choice and cover it up with a gimmick software feature and people just think it is amazing.
If you like them fine but until they get better under display tech the way Samsung does a very small hole punch cut out just for one camera and uses a fingerprint sensor for true authentication is a much better solution.
Either keep on using the notch which they had reduced the footprint to the point you didn't really even notice it or do what Samsung has done.
The pill cutout is a design mistake. Period.
There's a lot of "I" in your comment... not everyone feels the same way you do. It's really not the big of a deal, imo. I watch videos almost everyday on my phone and I forget it's there a lot of the time. I like that they added functionality to it rather than just leaving a cutout. I also really like FaceID and I've heard that it's more accurate than the under display fingerprint sensor so I'll take it the way it is.
I don’t recall the last time I was at odds with so much within a rant this extensive. I think the dynamic island is cool as hell. It’s practically invisible, just as the notch was/is, and is actually capable of displaying useful information within some pretty slick animations.
Hate it all you want but I think you’re full of it if you’re trying to tell me it isn’t a cool use of the space.
Edit: tried to edit in the right quote and it’s all sorts of borked. @maxrest please disregard; this wasn’t meant for you.
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You are right not everyone thinks like either of us and everyone has their own opinion.
I am just giving an unbiased opinion as an owner of a now retired iPhone 13 Pro Max.
I think the design of the 13 Pro Max is really good. If anything I was hoping for an under display sensor system Not a pill hole cutout.
I don't see the pill cutout adding anything. I think it is an eyesore and that is my personal biased opinion.
However you gave your own biased opinion and I responded to it. You can't have it both ways by giving your opinion and when someone responds tell them that their opinion is not everyone's. If course it isn't everyone's opinion just like yours isn't.
I don't agree that dynamic island is a fantastic evolution of the notch. At best it is a poorly implemented stop gap solution until they can get a proper under display sensor. That is my opinion and I stand by it.
I would have been much happier with a slightly smaller notch than the pill cutout. I hate it. Plus I think it is a poor copy of what Android has had for years and I hate the smug change of face by adding a software feature to cover up the fact they just did something design wise they said they would never do.
That is just me. I never said my opinion is right or even popular. I think most people love the pill cutout. I expect more from Apple.
If you like dynamic island and enjoy it that is fine but I prefer Samsung authentication method better and I highly doubt that Face ID is more secure than a ultrasonic fingerprint sensor.
Actually I would have preferred a fingerprint sensor in the power button and FaceID. I will admit that in some cases FaceID is faster but I like the tactile feeling of a fingerprint sensor and logging in that way so I don't mind it.
I am glad to be the unpopular opinion. I have stated why I feel the way I do in a previous post so I won't repeat myself.
If you like it that is great and I am not criticizing anyone for their like of it rather have my opinion on it and that I don't agree that Samsung is inferior.
Watching a video on a S23U with that tiny hole punch cutout is way better than a pill cutout or a notch. You can disagree all you like. I also prefer a fingerprint sensor.
I just don't get why you have to criticize something else if you like what you have so much?
Exactly! It's something really different done with a cutout that tons of phones have/had. I'm very hopeful that app developers and iOS 17 will add even more functionality to it since rumor has it all the phones in the 15 series are going to get the DI.
Edit to your edit: I figured what you meant haha
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I was mostly responding to "The pill cutout is a design mistake. Period.". This comment makes it seem like it's an objective fact.
Also, I said accurate not secure although I do think it's a combination of both.
Aside from that, I don't see this going anywhere so I'll just leave it at that. We can agree to disagree. Hopefully the 16 series will give you what you're looking for with a small cutout!
I don’t quite understand how your opinion is “unbiased” while mine is “biased”. Like I can’t even apply logic to it so I’ll digress.
The fingerprint sensor and the face recognition on even the most advanced android phone are still not even close to Face ID OR Touch ID. I used that phone for eight days and I opted to use the passcode input because I ended up having to do that anyway after one biometric or the other failed over and over.
Face ID is rock solid, as was Touch ID for the vast majority of users. Dynamic island is cool but again, it all comes down to personal opinion. Cheers.
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I was saying that both of our opinions are biased and your post was acting like your opinion was fact and my opinion was an opinion?
I don't agree that a fingerprint sensor is not even close to FaceID. Your opinion.
8 days of use for whatever device is not the same as using a new s23 series with a good ultrasonic fingerprint reader. How long have you used FaceID? But I will agree that fingerprint reader can slower than FaceID at times. If you give it more of a chance the fingerprint reader can be extremely accurate.
Just like my opinion on pill cutout is that it is an eyesore and stopgap measure until under display tech is ready for iphone.
Hope that clarifies what I said.