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MIKX

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It looks like High Sierra 10.13.6 "might" be the final upgrade. Let's hope that that finalization will
spur our creative energies.

We need a comprehensive, step-by-step guide made that covers BOTH the '84 & 85 & '87 roms.

I have the MP51.0085.B00 bootROM. Perhaps that is why I couldn't get my 960 EVO booting.

But for the time being I have a nice Fusion setup running.

I can wait.

Let's also hope that Apple puts the missing MicroCode back in . . so ,, MP51.0088.B00 perhaps yet to come ?
 

zozomester

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lingwow

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Edit: After looking at screen shots others have posted, I just realized my link speeds are only reporting as 2.5 GT/s.. Which would perfectly explain why my speeds are half of what I was expecting. I have the blade installed in slot 2. The adapter card is just a cheap one I got from Fry's for $15. It says on the box it's a x4 card. Could it be the adapter card? Or do I have a bigger problem? Maybe something in the BIOS is configured incorrectly. I have a true 5,1 machine. Mid 2010, came with the dual 2.93 Xenons. Am I in the right slot? I thought 1 and 2 were x16 slots, and the others were x4..

Wow, well that was an exhausting 20 hours! Thanks for all the great information, tutorials, and resources! You guys are awesome. So, I currently have my Mac Pro 5,1 (mid-2010) booting and running on a Samsung 960 Evo NVME SSD. I am on High Sierra Version 10.13.5 (17F77), and Boot ROM Version MP51.0087.B00.

I followed the instructions on the Google Doc sheet and they seem to be working perfectly, although there were a few hiccups along the way due to me being a noob. Yesterday, I was on Boot Rom Version 84. I flashed my ROM with the updated EFI Firmware, and it worked great! I was booting and running on the NVME drive. But, my speeds were slow! Like 600-700 MB/s... I thought they were supposed to be much faster, at least it seems like others are getting much faster speeds. So, I started looking around and noticed my Disk was formatted as Mac OS Extended, and not APFS. I couldn't figure out how to reformat without doing a clean install, every time I tried recovery it would keep the same file system. I couldn't think of anything else that it could be, so I went ahead and did it. Anyways, it make the rom hack obsolete, and I was back to square 1. I only have 1 Sata SSD that was in my PC. Long story short I cloned that drive to an old spinner laying around, then wiped it, put it in the mac and did a fresh high sierra install on the SSD. I couldn't for the life of me get a spinner drive to format in APFS. Once I got that set up I was able to once again flash the rom following the steps in the drive doc. I was a little weary because it seems like people have been having mixed results on boot rom version 87, but what the hell.. I then put in the NVME drive and restored to that drive from the Sata SSD that I had just installed. It worked! I powered off, took out the sata drive, and am now able to boot and run great with only the PCIe NVME 960 Evo in a x4 adapter.

So, once again, THANK YOU! Now, one question for you brilliant people. My speeds STILL seem to be slow.. Do I have a defective blade? Is this not slow, and I'm just ignorant? I'm still getting around 700 MB/s on all the tests I run. The drive is in APFS format.. I can't figure it out. Any help would be appreciated. See attached photos.
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crjackson2134

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It’s because you have it installed in Slot 2, which only gives you a Link Speed of 2.5 GT/s.

Put it in either Slot 3 or 4 and your speed will approximately double because Link Speed will connect at 5.0GT/s.
 
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h9826790

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Edit: After looking at screen shots others have posted, I just realized my link speeds are only reporting as 2.5 GT/s.. Which would perfectly explain why my speeds are half of what I was expecting. I have the blade installed in slot 2. The adapter card is just a cheap one I got from Fry's for $15. It says on the box it's a x4 card. Could it be the adapter card? Or do I have a bigger problem? Maybe something in the BIOS is configured incorrectly. I have a true 5,1 machine. Mid 2010, came with the dual 2.93 Xenons. Am I in the right slot? I thought 1 and 2 were x16 slots, and the others were x4..

Wow, well that was an exhausting 20 hours! Thanks for all the great information, tutorials, and resources! You guys are awesome. So, I currently have my Mac Pro 5,1 (mid-2010) booting and running on a Samsung 960 Evo NVME SSD. I am on High Sierra Version 10.13.5 (17F77), and Boot ROM Version MP51.0087.B00.

I followed the instructions on the Google Doc sheet and they seem to be working perfectly, although there were a few hiccups along the way due to me being a noob. Yesterday, I was on Boot Rom Version 84. I flashed my ROM with the updated EFI Firmware, and it worked great! I was booting and running on the NVME drive. But, my speeds were slow! Like 600-700 MB/s... I thought they were supposed to be much faster, at least it seems like others are getting much faster speeds. So, I started looking around and noticed my Disk was formatted as Mac OS Extended, and not APFS. I couldn't figure out how to reformat without doing a clean install, every time I tried recovery it would keep the same file system. I couldn't think of anything else that it could be, so I went ahead and did it. Anyways, it make the rom hack obsolete, and I was back to square 1. I only have 1 Sata SSD that was in my PC. Long story short I cloned that drive to an old spinner laying around, then wiped it, put it in the mac and did a fresh high sierra install on the SSD. I couldn't for the life of me get a spinner drive to format in APFS. Once I got that set up I was able to once again flash the rom following the steps in the drive doc. I was a little weary because it seems like people have been having mixed results on boot rom version 87, but what the hell.. I then put in the NVME drive and restored to that drive from the Sata SSD that I had just installed. It worked! I powered off, took out the sata drive, and am now able to boot and run great with only the PCIe NVME 960 Evo in a x4 adapter.

So, once again, THANK YOU! Now, one question for you brilliant people. My speeds STILL seem to be slow.. Do I have a defective blade? Is this not slow, and I'm just ignorant? I'm still getting around 700 MB/s on all the tests I run. The drive is in APFS format.. I can't figure it out. Any help would be appreciated. See attached photos. View attachment 767232 View attachment 767233 View attachment 767234 View attachment 767235 View attachment 767236 View attachment 767237 View attachment 767238 View attachment 767239 View attachment 767232 View attachment 767233 View attachment 767234 View attachment 767235 View attachment 767236 View attachment 767237 View attachment 767238 View attachment 767239

Here is the reason why you should install the SSD in slot 3.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/5gt-s-for-amd-card-without-resistor-mod.2117991/
 

lingwow

macrumors newbie
Jun 21, 2018
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4
Fort Worth, TX
Thank you! I'll do that now. I'm glad it was something simple! Phew!
It worked. Now running at expected speeds, thanks again. Screen Shot 2018-06-21 at 7.32.13 PM.png
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That's interesting. I'm glad it's the cheap adapter card lacking a switch rather some something bigger. I'm fine with it in slot 3 or 4. Planning to add USB 3.1 card in the other x4 slot, and then hopefully a graphics card someday if everyone can get off the mining craze so prices go back to normal! I just can't justify spending more on a card today that what it retailed for 2 years ago.. For now I'm stuck with the stock 5770 card. Which is fine because I don't game or do any video editing.
 

ezylstra

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Edit: After looking at screen shots others have posted, I just realized my link speeds are only reporting as 2.5 GT/s.. Which would perfectly explain why my speeds are half of what I was expecting. I have the blade installed in slot 2. The adapter card is just a cheap one I got from Fry's for $15. It says on the box it's a x4 card. Could it be the adapter card? Or do I have a bigger problem? Maybe something in the BIOS is configured incorrectly. I have a true 5,1 machine. Mid 2010, came with the dual 2.93 Xenons. Am I in the right slot? I thought 1 and 2 were x16 slots, and the others were x4..

Wow, well that was an exhausting 20 hours! Thanks for all the great information, tutorials, and resources! You guys are awesome. So, I currently have my Mac Pro 5,1 (mid-2010) booting and running on a Samsung 960 Evo NVME SSD. I am on High Sierra Version 10.13.5 (17F77), and Boot ROM Version MP51.0087.B00.

I followed the instructions on the Google Doc sheet and they seem to be working perfectly, although there were a few hiccups along the way due to me being a noob. Yesterday, I was on Boot Rom Version 84. I flashed my ROM with the updated EFI Firmware, and it worked great! I was booting and running on the NVME drive. But, my speeds were slow! Like 600-700 MB/s... I thought they were supposed to be much faster, at least it seems like others are getting much faster speeds. So, I started looking around and noticed my Disk was formatted as Mac OS Extended, and not APFS. I couldn't figure out how to reformat without doing a clean install, every time I tried recovery it would keep the same file system. I couldn't think of anything else that it could be, so I went ahead and did it. Anyways, it make the rom hack obsolete, and I was back to square 1. I only have 1 Sata SSD that was in my PC. Long story short I cloned that drive to an old spinner laying around, then wiped it, put it in the mac and did a fresh high sierra install on the SSD. I couldn't for the life of me get a spinner drive to format in APFS. Once I got that set up I was able to once again flash the rom following the steps in the drive doc. I was a little weary because it seems like people have been having mixed results on boot rom version 87, but what the hell.. I then put in the NVME drive and restored to that drive from the Sata SSD that I had just installed. It worked! I powered off, took out the sata drive, and am now able to boot and run great with only the PCIe NVME 960 Evo in a x4 adapter.

So, once again, THANK YOU! Now, one question for you brilliant people. My speeds STILL seem to be slow.. Do I have a defective blade? Is this not slow, and I'm just ignorant? I'm still getting around 700 MB/s on all the tests I run. The drive is in APFS format.. I can't figure it out. Any help would be appreciated. See attached photos. View attachment 767232 View attachment 767233 View attachment 767234 View attachment 767235 View attachment 767236 View attachment 767237 View attachment 767238 View attachment 767239 View attachment 767232 View attachment 767233 View attachment 767234 View attachment 767235 View attachment 767236 View attachment 767237 View attachment 767238 View attachment 767239
It’s because you have it installed in Slot 2, which only gives you a Link Speed of 2.5 GT/s.

Put it in either Slot 3 or 4 and your speed will approximately double because Link Speed will connect at 5.0GT/s.
Also be aware that slots 3 and 4 share 4 lanes PCIe. If you put SSDs in slots 3 and 4, you will have similar slower performance in each SSD if you use them at the same time.

You can use slots 1 or 2 if you use pciutils to set the PCIe speed.
 

crjackson2134

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Also be aware that slots 3 and 4 share 4 lanes PCIe. If you put SSDs in slots 3 and 4, you will have similar slower performance in each SSD if you use them at the same time.

You can use slots 1 or 2 if you use pciutils to set the PCIe speed.

Actually no... Nothing similar to 1/2 speed. You’ll get about 1500 MB/s total transfer speeds, even if you spread it over multiple drives inserted in slots 3/4 only. It doesn’t slow it down, it spreads it out.

You’d have to run a drive in each slot (3/4) at full tilt, at the same time, to perceive a false slowdown. In reality, you’re still throwing the same amount of data at the PCIe Slot.
 
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lingwow

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Jun 21, 2018
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Here ya go. Some CrAZY results.
This should the be the fastest bench to date with a single PCIe SSD in the cMP.

2009 cMP, MP51.0085.B00 injected with NVME.ffs from a 6,1 nmp.
Highpoint 7101A Bootable PCIe SSD card
Single 1 512GB 970Pro NVME

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That's pretty awesome! How much did you spend on the Highpoint card? I'm seeing $400 on Amazon. Do you plan to use the other 3 slots on the card and run in a RAID config? I can't imagine the speeds then. I have no viable reason to want those kind of speeds.. but I do. haha
 

handheldgames

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This link should work. It shows the cheaper option.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B073W71K4Z/ref=mw_dp_olp?ie=UTF8&condition=new

I paid $271 for a warehouse deal. Basically a brand new oem card that was never inserted into a PCIe slot. No manual. No fancy box.

I’m still debating what to do with the open slots. I need to sell some ssd’s first.

I’m working with HighPoint over email. They had no idea what this card is capable of, especially with upgraded firmware.
 
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edgerider

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Apr 30, 2018
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Hi @handheldgames,

good job! I guess my anfeltech squid is going to my xserve soon and my cMP will get a HIGHPOINT M2 card...
BUT....BUT....BUT.... How the hell do you get a 8GT/s LINK on a machine that only have a Pcie 2.0 chipset?
is the cMP capable of actually doing Pcie 3.0?
 

h9826790

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Hi @handheldgames,

good job! I guess my anfeltech squid is going to my xserve soon and my cMP will get a HIGHPOINT M2 card...
BUT....BUT....BUT.... How the hell do you get a 8GT/s LINK on a machine that only have a Pcie 2.0 chipset?
is the cMP capable of actually doing Pcie 3.0?

May be the switch on the Highpoint card work more than “just a bridge”, but can allocate up to PCIe 2.0 x16 bandwidth to any downstream device.

So, it can actually allocate half of the total available bandwidth to a single PCIe 3.0 X4 SSD.
 

edgerider

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Apr 30, 2018
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May be the switch on the Highpoint card work more than “just a bridge”, but can allocate up to PCIe 2.0 x16 bandwidth to any downstream device.

So, it can actually allocate half of the total available bandwidth to a single PCIe 3.0 X4 SSD.
I dont know... but clearly you are going over 500Mb/s per lane, so it’s true Pcie3 and not just cosmetic like flashed GPU that gives 2,5GT/s but actually work at 5GT/s.... it is quite cool !
and event if you reach the same amout of speed as the amfeltec, it give the overhead that the raid 5 will need anyhow.
I like the idea of havinig a bootable raid 5 ssd array a 4/5000Mb/s for cheap.

now I have invested in several Pciex16 expension bord and puting serval of those will gave secure and fast storage on my xserve.
 
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