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jamezr

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And people wonder why iphone users get called names like iSheep or stuck up a@@holes. I give you exhibit A folks. People like this that believe the iphone is some sort of status symbol, that the phone somehow makes them elite above everyone else.

It is attitudes like this that makes you want to smack people upside the head and hopefully bring them into the real world.


^^^^^what he said^^^^^^
 

pacmacman

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Trust me I'm not closed minded. I just truly believe that at this time right now, the iPhone is not the best experience possible. No one is forcing me to use Android or favor one side, based on what I've observed and in my opinion, that's what I believe. If the next iPhone is amazing and iOS 9 is "open" then my next phone might be the 6S!

Yet you refuse to accept the same is true of Apple. You fall back on the same silly platitudes Android fans have been going on about for years.

Here, let me summarize your comments:

"iSHEEP blah blah iSHEEP blah customize home screen blah."

On that note, why do Android fans keep insisting that being able to customize every inch of your phone is the single most important quality in a smartphone? I've been using my iPhone for work for the last few years and it has transformed how efficient my workflow is. That's a fairly "amazing experience".

Apologies that I don't use my phone for really important stuff like changing icon colors and downloading malware.
 

OceanView

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If only you could only enter 1 post per thread, I suspect these replies would be more productive and to the point instead of pissing matches.
 

apolloa

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Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
Yet you refuse to accept the same is true of Apple. You fall back on the same silly platitudes Android fans have been going on about for years.

Here, let me summarize your comments:

"iSHEEP blah blah iSHEEP blah customize home screen blah."

On that note, why do Android fans keep insisting that being able to customize every inch of your phone is the single most important quality in a smartphone? I've been using my iPhone for work for the last few years and it has transformed how efficient my workflow is. That's a fairly "amazing experience".

Apologies that I don't use my phone for really important stuff like changing icon colors and downloading malware.

What about a simple customisation, for instance Apple insist THEY decide just how long your screen is active for before it goes to sleep, on Android I can select from 7 different times. That's pathetic of iOS, I have been able to set the length of time before my screens go to sleep for years on my mobile devices, apart from iOS. Android has a lot more customizable settings over iOS, it's like iOS wants you to look but don't touch.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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Yet you refuse to accept the same is true of Apple. You fall back on the same silly platitudes Android fans have been going on about for years.

Here, let me summarize your comments:

"iSHEEP blah blah iSHEEP blah customize home screen blah."

On that note, why do Android fans keep insisting that being able to customize every inch of your phone is the single most important quality in a smartphone? I've been using my iPhone for work for the last few years and it has transformed how efficient my workflow is. That's a fairly "amazing experience".

Apologies that I don't use my phone for really important stuff like changing icon colors and downloading malware.

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Nick A

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Yet you refuse to accept the same is true of Apple. You fall back on the same silly platitudes Android fans have been going on about for years.

Here, let me summarize your comments:

"iSHEEP blah blah iSHEEP blah customize home screen blah."

On that note, why do Android fans keep insisting that being able to customize every inch of your phone is the single most important quality in a smartphone? I've been using my iPhone for work for the last few years and it has transformed how efficient my workflow is. That's a fairly "amazing experience".

Apologies that I don't use my phone for really important stuff like changing icon colors and downloading malware.

I'm not bashing anyone that chooses to use the iPhone as their main device. If that's what they prefer then that's their choice and has nothing to do with me! I simply made this thread to share my thoughts and opinions and see what educated answers people came up with to help me understand people's viewpoints.

I find it amazing that I even have to explain this because it's almost like you HAVE TO pick either one side or the other, there's no happy medium to appreciate both experiences. I shared my belief however that I currently believe Android is the best user experience possible.

It also appears that some, not all (some of you guys are very knowledgeable and made great points) people have a complete bias towards one side and hate everyone on the other. Guys relax! It's a phone! We're here to learn, compare, and have a good debate!
 

pacmacman

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What about a simple customisation, for instance Apple insist THEY decide just how long your screen is active for before it goes to sleep, on Android I can select from 7 different times. That's pathetic of iOS, I have been able to set the length of time before my screens go to sleep for years on my mobile devices, apart from iOS. Android has a lot more customizable settings over iOS, it's like iOS wants you to look but don't touch.

These customizations just don't add much for me. They're not important. What I do with my screen when its on is much more crucial to me than setting how long it stays on.

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I'm not bashing anyone that chooses to use the iPhone as their main device. If that's what they prefer then that's their choice and has nothing to do with me! I simply made this thread to share my thoughts and opinions and see what educated answers people came up with to help me understand people's viewpoints.

I find it amazing that I even have to explain this because it's almost like you HAVE TO pick either one side or the other, there's no happy medium to appreciate both experiences. I shared my belief however that I currently believe Android is the best user experience possible.

It also appears that some, not all (some of you guys are very knowledgeable and made great points) people have a complete bias towards one side and hate everyone on the other. Guys relax! It's a phone! We're here to learn, compare, and have a good debate!

So I guess someone else posted this:

"But it just feels as though people buying iPhones now are buying simply because:

A: They're used to it
B: Their friends/family use iPhones
C: They are simply Apple fans

I really can't see anyone buying the iPhone 6 and truly believing it's the best experience that's currently available..."

You're insisting that no one could possibly see the iPhone as the best user experience, that they'd only choose an iPhone cause APPLE.
 

Nick A

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These customizations just don't add much for me. They're not important. What I do with my screen when its on is much more crucial to me than setting how long it stays on.

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So I guess someone else posted this:

"But it just feels as though people buying iPhones now are buying simply because:

A: They're used to it
B: Their friends/family use iPhones
C: They are simply Apple fans

I really can't see anyone buying the iPhone 6 and truly believing it's the best experience that's currently available..."

You're insisting that no one could possibly see the iPhone as the best user experience, that they'd only choose an iPhone cause APPLE.

Two years ago I would have answered differently. But yes, at this point I do not see how anyone could believe that Apple currently offers the best mobile experience possible with the iPhone. To me, and again this is my opinion which is why I made this thread to debate about, people buy the iPhone at this point because it is Apple, and Apple knows this, which is why they can pull off what they do.
 

thedeejay

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Two years ago I would have answered differently. But yes, at this point I do not see how anyone could believe that Apple currently offers the best mobile experience possible with the iPhone. To me, and again this is my opinion which is why I made this thread to debate about, people buy the iPhone at this point because it is Apple, and Apple knows this, which is why they can pull off what they do.

I don't think that's true. Let me explain my point. I've been an Apple user since 2009 and I've used every iPhone from 3G and up. However, I respect peoples' choices and I think (like you mentioned) competition is better for us consumers because eventually we'll get what we want.

Apart from what you've stated there are a few reasons as to why I'm still with iPhone. My friends have tried convinced me to come to Android (and failed) because it's better or you can do X that iPhone can't but I urge you to look at it from this perspective (or at least I'll give you my justification as to why I'm still with iPhone).

1) I'm heavily vested in the Apple 'ecosystem'. I recently sold my iPad but will get the next one. I have a Mac, and almost everything else is Apple, so things just "sync". I'd rather not want to transfer all this info again to Android and set everything else up again.

2) For me a good phone is all about it's functionality. I'm not a heavy smart phone user in the sense that I do things that any basic/average person would do therefore regardless of the 'lack of customization' (as you keep referring to) that Apple provides; whatever they provide now I'm content with. I don't really think I need much more. Certain little features here and there would be nice but I can see those being added. Heck people have been raving about Third party keyboards and I won't even use it because I'm satisfied with Apple's stock keyboard.

Also I think me having an Android, apart from having the same features (plus more) than what Apple has, I overall like the UI of Apple and am not aesthetically drawn to Android. You might say 'well you can change that to you linking', but I won't because I don't care about rooting and I won't try to spend the time to figure out hence I want it how I like it outside the box. I've seen what Android has and it's not what I'd like. Simply put: Apple does everything in a simpler manner (my opinion). I really like the Metro interface Microsoft is pushing and to be very honest if their App Store was like Apple's I'd probably have given it a try.

Lastly: I think that a huge portion of Apple is about service. I've broken phones, had problems with EarPods/Cables numerous times and Apple has taken care of me. My AppleCare Over the phone experience has been nothing short of 10/10 every single time. You may say "Oh you're lucky, not everyone gets that experience". Well, this is why I am with Apple. If you choose something else, I'm glad you found whatever makes you happy. We're both different and have different opinions and ideas and as long as people respect that and don't try to 'convert' or 'bash' one another I'm ok with anything. At the end of the day, it's just a phone/software/whatever other service.
 

Nick A

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I don't think that's true. Let me explain my point. I've been an Apple user since 2009 and I've used every iPhone from 3G and up. However, I respect peoples' choices and I think (like you mentioned) competition is better for us consumers because eventually we'll get what we want.

Apart from what you've stated there are a few reasons as to why I'm still with iPhone. My friends have tried convinced me to come to Android (and failed) because it's better or you can do X that iPhone can't but I urge you to look at it from this perspective (or at least I'll give you my justification as to why I'm still with iPhone).

1) I'm heavily vested in the Apple 'ecosystem'. I recently sold my iPad but will get the next one. I have a Mac, and almost everything else is Apple, so things just "sync". I'd rather not want to transfer all this info again to Android and set everything else up again.

2) For me a good phone is all about it's functionality. I'm not a heavy smart phone user in the sense that I do things that any basic/average person would do therefore regardless of the 'lack of customization' (as you keep referring to) that Apple provides; whatever they provide now I'm content with. I don't really think I need much more. Certain little features here and there would be nice but I can see those being added. Heck people have been raving about Third party keyboards and I won't even use it because I'm satisfied with Apple's stock keyboard.

Also I think me having an Android, apart from having the same features (plus more) than what Apple has, I overall like the UI of Apple and am not aesthetically drawn to Android. You might say 'well you can change that to you linking', but I won't because I don't care about rooting and I won't try to spend the time to figure out hence I want it how I like it outside the box. I've seen what Android has and it's not what I'd like. Simply put: Apple does everything in a simpler manner (my opinion). I really like the Metro interface Microsoft is pushing and to be very honest if their App Store was like Apple's I'd probably have given it a try.

Lastly: I think that a huge portion of Apple is about service. I've broken phones, had problems with EarPods/Cables numerous times and Apple has taken care of me. My AppleCare Over the phone experience has been nothing short of 10/10 every single time. You may say "Oh you're lucky, not everyone gets that experience". Well, this is why I am with Apple. If you choose something else, I'm glad you found whatever makes you happy. We're both different and have different opinions and ideas and as long as people respect that and don't try to 'convert' or 'bash' one another I'm ok with anything. At the end of the day, it's just a phone/software/whatever other service.

Fair enough, I respect your opinion and I think you make some good points. This is what a good debate is about!
 

Fernandez21

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What about a simple customisation, for instance Apple insist THEY decide just how long your screen is active for before it goes to sleep, on Android I can select from 7 different times. That's pathetic of iOS, I have been able to set the length of time before my screens go to sleep for years on my mobile devices, apart from iOS. Android has a lot more customizable settings over iOS, it's like iOS wants you to look but don't touch.

You can adjust that on iOS. Go to settings, general, auto lock. You can set the screen to timeout at 1,2,3,4,5 minutes or never.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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I think there is a fine line when comparing actual technology(hardware and software) and comparing a users wants/needs.

I personally don't care if something is technically better if I choose not to go that route. But many users of multiple platforms will try to justify their choice by skewing actual technical facts in their favor of an argument.

There are specific technical aspects about all phones and mobile OSs that are better than one another. Nothing tops iPhone's Touch ID, iOS integration between Apple products, and Apple's customer service. No other mobile OS tops Android's customization, openness, and integration with Google services. Nothing tops the Note 4 multitasking, S-pen, and screen. Nothing tops the HTC One front speakers. I can go on and on, but you get the point. Of course things change, but differ devices and OS will always have one up on another with something specific.
 

Razeus

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And people wonder why iphone users get called names like iSheep or stuck up a@@holes. I give you exhibit A folks. People like this that believe the iphone is some sort of status symbol, that the phone somehow makes them elite above everyone else.
It is attitudes like this that makes you want to smack people upside the head and hopefully bring them into the real world.

Come at me bro.

I guess the sarcasm didn't translate in my post. The point of my post was to be as absurd as the OP.

But of course, in typical Android fanboy fashion, the first thing out of an Android fanboy's mouth is "you sheep", not realizing they do the exact same thing but for Android.
 

Lloydbm41

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Two years ago I would have answered differently. But yes, at this point I do not see how anyone could believe that Apple currently offers the best mobile experience possible with the iPhone. To me, and again this is my opinion which is why I made this thread to debate about, people buy the iPhone at this point because it is Apple, and Apple knows this, which is why they can pull off what they do.
Interesting that you lump an entire populous together simply because they bought an iPhone. People buy an iphone for such diverse reasons that you can't simply say it is because it's 'Apple'. I know women that bought the iphone in gold because it was 'pretty'. I know people that buy one because of their Apple-centric ecosystem. People buy iphones because their family bought iphones. And then there are people like me that uses just about every piece of hardware and OS out there. I certainly didn't buy the iphone 6 because it was made by Apple, but that certainly is a prerequisite to 'buy an iphone'.

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Come at me bro.

I guess the sarcasm didn't translate in my post. The point of my post was to be as absurd as the OP.

But of course, in typical Android fanboy fashion, the first thing out of an Android fanboy's mouth is "you sheep", not realizing they do the exact same thing but for Android.
Sarcasm and idiocy are easily separated. You claim the former, but we all know it was the later. Put those tap shoes away now, no more need to put on show.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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Come at me bro.

I guess the sarcasm didn't translate in my post. The point of my post was to be as absurd as the OP.

But of course, in typical Android fanboy fashion, the first thing out of an Android fanboy's mouth is "you sheep", not realizing they do the exact same thing but for Android.
Sorry...but you are so wrong......Look at Lloydbm41 post history. No Android fanboy....if anything he has been raving about the iPhone 6!
But he has you pegged for what you are......
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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Two years ago I would have answered differently. But yes, at this point I do not see how anyone could believe that Apple currently offers the best mobile experience possible with the iPhone. To me, and again this is my opinion which is why I made this thread to debate about, people buy the iPhone at this point because it is Apple, and Apple knows this, which is why they can pull off what they do.
Well Nick you are wrong because I don't fit in with the 3 examples you previously gave. For me the iPhone is the best phone I can buy for my needs and personal taste. I used Android for 4 years before I jumped to iOS and I haven't really looked back. There are pro's and con's for either OS, but the pro's for iOS supersede any of the more negative aspects for me.

I didn't buy the iPhone because I am a fan of Apple. I buy multiple brands and don't have to be a fan to do so. I didn't upgrade to the iPhone 6 just because I am used to it, I did it because I like the product. Most of my family and friends use iPhone's yes, so having one is a factor because it makes life easier. That along with an excellent product should be enough for a lot of people making a choice. I don't believe I could currently get as good an experience for my personal needs with any other OS, at this moment in time. I'm not bothered about customisation any more, with iOS its not needed. Customisation for me is putting all the apps you need in order and where they can be accessed quickly and I can do all that. I can change the wallpaper and that is as far as my interest in that goes.
 

Fernandez21

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Not on the iPad on iOS 8 you can't, and I couldn't do it under iOS 7 either. The only thing you can change is when it asks for you: r lock code after unlocking the device, strange option but there we go.

Uh, yes you can. Like I said, go to settings/general/autolock and you an set how long before the screen times out. Just did it on my both my iPad and iPhone.
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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Not on the iPad on iOS 8 you can't, and I couldn't do it under iOS 7 either. The only thing you can change is when it asks for you: r lock code after unlocking the device, strange option but there we go.

The name of the setting could be better but Fernandez21 is right. This setting determines when the screen shuts off. The setting to determine how long before your passcode is required is separate and found under Settings > Passcode > Require Passcode.
 

Dontazemebro

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I dunno, somewhere in West Texas
Yea, it took me a while to figure out where Apple kept their time-out settings when I first adopted iOS (iPhone 4) a few years back, one would assume it would be under settings > display & brightness but yes, it's general > auto-lock. Too bad they don't have a 30 sec option, I always use that one on Android.
 

Oohara

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I got to test the 6/6+ for the first time today. To my surprise I was not overly impressed. Sure they are very nice looking, top quality design and build quality of course. But somehow they just didn't turn me on much. They felt so fragile!

The double tap "reachability" thing didn't really impress me. Several times it didn't work and I had to do it 2-3 times before anything happened. I suppose you get a hang of it after a while though.

I did love the screen on both phones though. I see what people mean now about the image seeming to sit almost on top of the glass. Very nice.

But yeah, I just wasn't blown away. Maybe I had expected too much. But as it stands right now, I'd rather go for the Xperia Z3 for ~5" and Note 4 for bigger screen.
 
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