My new iMac is a pain in the neck

[Jorbanead]

Do posters here regularly question the "intent" of opinions on this forum?

Yes, they do. There are several members on this forum that have been shown to purposefully post things to cause an issue, controversy, or in other words "troll" forums. It happens on most forums. And as such, there are always people who try and "police" the trolls by calling them out, and then others who police the police by calling them out for calling OP out. I am simply explaining why this happens, why it happened here, and the reasons behind it. Doesn't mean you have to agree or like it, it's just how most forums work that have a large number of users.

That's why I said, it's important how OP frames the issue initially.

 

[turbineseaplane]

There are several members on this forum that have been shown to purposefully post things to cause an issue, controversy, or in other words "troll" forums. It happens on most forums. And as such, there are always people who try and "police" the trolls by calling them out, and then others who police the police by calling them out for calling OP out.

My goodness -- people need to get outdoors or something
What a sad way to spend ones time.

 

[DotCom2]

Partially right -- looking at the perescription and adding that brings you out of the range of a $10 pair of readers. All readers do is magnify, not correct.

If you will re-read my post I clearly say that readers *will work and *also if you need more specific eye needs single lens glasses made *specifically for one's own eye needs Will and DO work. What the *ell do you think people who have vision problems do who work with computers all day. THEY DO NOT USE PROGRESSIVE GLASSES. I'm done with this!

 

[bobcomer]

The reason for my seat cushion was to deal with side-effects from Chemo and Radiation.

I understand that, we all do what we've got to do! I hope you're doing okay now!

But you could always just use a height-adjustable seat. My chair is a 40-year-old Steelcase which has provided decades of service.

I already do. I'm short with very short arms. Moving my seat up or down from its already set position is problematic. It's just best I don't buy something on the desktop that doesn't height adjust too, and I really didn't know the iMac wasn't height adjustable. I was shopping for an older iMac earlier this year, glad I didn't buy one. Now I know to look!

I have four Dell height-adjustable monitors right now. Two are hooked up to a massive desktop and the other two to an M1 Mac mini. I carefully plan before I buy.

I never suspected something that expensive wouldn't be adjustable and I had only bought Mac Mini's or laptops before, and I tended to use a laptop in laptop mode before. Live and learn...

 

[pshufd]

 

[turbineseaplane]

View attachment 1808019

A "perfectly" poised stand would adjust to different user needs a bit.


I'm trying to think of an example..

hmmm...

Let me think....

"height, tilt, rotation -- it's completely adjustable!"
Imagine that! Sounds fanstastic!

This Apple company might be onto something here..

 

[pshufd]

A "perfectly" poised stand would adjust to different user needs a bit.

This image is from the Apple.Com page for the 24 inch iMac.

When I shop for an Apple product, I go to the page describing the product and then go to the tech specs for the product. The Size and Weight section of the Tech Specs shows you the height, depth and width of the iMac. It does not provide a range for the height.

 

[turbineseaplane]

This image is from the Apple.Com page for the 24 inch iMac.

When I shop for an Apple product, I go to the page describing the product and then go to the tech specs for the product. The Size and Weight section of the Tech Specs shows you the height, depth and width of the iMac. It does not provide a range for the height.

Smart shopping! No question.

That said, it seems that the OP knew it wasn't adjustable.
The lack of adjustability only became an issue upon getting it home and trying it out

 

[jz0309]

Smart shopping! No question.

That said, it seems that the OP knew it wasn't adjustable.
The lack of adjustability only became an issue upon getting it home and trying it out

you keep on "protecting" OP and at the same time talking about a "poor" design, and, you keep talking about all the negative responses ... maybe, just maybe, if this were in the iMac forum, a rant/complaint like the one from the OP wouldn't get as much notice and responses, and maybe even more support, but, this is the Apple Silicon forum and this post is totally unrelated to Apple Silicon, while it happens that this iMac has a M1 chip, people come here to talk about M1 related topics like eg performance and such ...
You sure have spent way more time than OP in this thread, and I understand your criticism of the design, that's fair, but it is what it is, nothing anyone can do about it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

you keep on "protecting" OP and at the same time talking about a "poor" design, and, you keep talking about all the negative responses ... maybe, just maybe, if this were in the iMac forum, a rant/complaint like the one from the OP wouldn't get as much notice and responses, and maybe even more support, but, this is the Apple Silicon forum and this post is totally unrelated to Apple Silicon, while it happens that this iMac has a M1 chip, people come here to talk about M1 related topics like eg performance and such ...
You sure have spent way more time than OP in this thread, and I understand your criticism of the design, that's fair, but it is what it is, nothing anyone can do about it.

An interesting observation.

I may have missed it, but until your post I don't recall seeing anyone criticizing the OP mention that they'd done so due to miscategorization of the thread.

Should we ask that it get moved?
Seems reasonable to me.

You sure have spent way more time than OP in this thread

Hold on there - you don't know that.

The OP has been online.
They've not responded (hard to blame them - not sure I would either)..
..but that in no way means that they haven't been in here (as you stated)

 

[WeatherWeasel]

I also have an imac and progessive lenses. I have found that I can read the screen ok without them. Strange as with them I get tipsy a bit. Not as much fun as with liquor, but same outcome. You can also change size of the type or move the thing closer.

 

[jz0309]

An interesting observation.

I may have missed it, but until your post I don't recall seeing anyone criticizing the OP mention that they'd done so due to miscategorization of the thread.

Should we ask that it get moved?
Seems reasonable to me.



Hold on there - you don't know that.

The OP has been online.
They've not responded (hard to blame them - not sure I would either)..
..but that in no way means that they haven't been in here (as you stated)

I don’t know, I think this thread by now is so polluted that you won’t get anything useful out if it anymore…
From what has been discussed, it belongs in the iMac forum…
But if you really want a serious discussion of the design you might be better off I a new, focused thread…
Just my 2 cents

 

[jz0309]

An interesting observation.

I may have missed it, but until your post I don't recall seeing anyone criticizing the OP mention that they'd done so due to miscategorization of the thread.

Should we ask that it get moved?
Seems reasonable to me.



Hold on there - you don't know that.

The OP has been online.
They've not responded (hard to blame them - not sure I would either)..
..but that in no way means that they haven't been in here (as you stated)

Maybe I should have used the term “active”

 

[turbineseaplane]

I don’t know, I think this thread by now is so polluted that you won’t get anything useful out if it anymore…
From what has been discussed, it belongs in the iMac forum…
But if you really want a serious discussion of the design you might be better off I a new, focused thread…
Just my 2 cents

Probably true

 

[turbineseaplane]

Maybe I should have used the term “active”

Honestly the way the group pile on started out, I don't blame the OP one bit for bailing and not responding.

Most of the early responses weren't trying to helpful, but rather just "chastise" the person from various angles.

Completely un-empathetic about the issue described and just not even trying to be helpful (not everyone - but plenty)

 

[petvas]

I have a new iMac 24 inch computer that I use as an office computer in my business. I also have eye glasses with Progressive Lenses. That means that I have to tilt my head up to read from close images.

It would be ideal for me to have my computer screen down lower on my desk - so I can be looking down at the screen from my chair position. My new iMac has a non adjustable stand that holds the computer 3.5 inches above my desktop and there is a huge blank metal band and a white strip that keeps the viewing screen even higher. With the dock on, the bottom of my actual computer screen is 7 inches above my desk. To read items at the upper half of my screen I have to arch my neck up to focus through the bottom of my glasses. Ouch !

I see no easy way to lower the iMac - without a hacksaw....

This a dumb design View attachment 1807090 and I do not like it at all ....

I do not want to defend Apple for making the stand not height adjustable. They should have!
Having said that though I must say that eye glasses with progressive lenses are a very bad idea when using computers, because you see through the middle area of the lenses, which is by design very small. You need special computer glasses. Ask anyone that makes and sells eye glasses.
I also have progressive lenses but I never use them when I sit in front of my computers. Sometimes I use them with my MacBook Pro, but only because I can have my MacBook Pro closer to me, so that the lower area of the lenses is being used and not the middle one.

 

[usagora]

No bud. It should just be 1 model like almost every single other monitor for sale today. With most monitors these days they include both a stand and VESA mounting holes. That way you can use it out of the box with a stand or mount it even months or years down the line. You don't need to decide at time of purchase and custom order one with VESA holes like you do on the iMac.

Have you looked at the back of the iMac with a stand? You can't have both a stand AND VESA adapter on one model when the stand is hinged at the center of the back. You'd have to completely change the way the stand is attached, and it will likely look ugly and/or not work as well. The best solution is precisely what Apple does by offering a separate model made for VESA mounting. If you have any doubts as to whether you'll need to VESA mount it, then just get that model and you now have the best of both worlds. To complain about this is probably the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I wonder why Apple didn't design a separate height adjustable stand accessory?
(ala the Pro XDR stand)

That would have been a great idea here.

Going all in on a VESA version and additional mounting solution is often way more complex (and unsightly for some) than what an iMac buyer might want...particularly if they just want to adjust the height slightly.

 

[Jorbanead]

Most of the early responses weren't trying to helpful, but rather just "chastise" the person from various angles.

This is my entire point though: OP never asked for help. They could have posted something like this:

“I bought this iMac, didn’t realize it was fixed height, Does anyone have any solutions? Seems like this could be something Apple should have addressed.”

That 1) asks for help and 2) poses a starting point for interesting conversation on the design of the iMac. That’s why I said the verbiage used and intent is important.

Not here to argue on if people should have attacked OP or not. Just making a basic observation that had OP rephrased their post, it would have received different responses.

I wonder why Apple didn't design a separate height adjustable stand accessory?
(ala the Pro XDR stand)

That would have been a great idea here.

Going all in on a VESA version and additional mounting solution is often way more complex (and unsightly for some) than what an iMac buyer might want...particularly if they just want to adjust the height slightly.

That stand is also $1,000 so Apple likely did not think average consumers wanted to spend $1,000 on a $1,400 computer

 

[turbineseaplane]

That stand is also $1,000 so Apple likely did not think average consumers wanted to spend $1,000 on a $1,400 computer

I'm quite positive there is a way to design a stand for the iMac (and the XDR for that matter) and not have it cost so much.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Not here to argue on if people should have attacked OP or not. Just making a basic observation that had OP rephrased their post, it would have received different responses.

? Let's move on.
We've hashed it to death.

 

[stridemat]

MOD NOTE

I think this thread has gone far enough.