My new iMac is a pain in the neck

[synicalx1]

This thread has been an interesting read, although I have to feel a little sorry for OP in this situation especially seeing how many people are blaming them.

In this scenario there's no one party that's "right" or "wrong"; Apple, for all their accessibility features, still sucks at making things ergonomic by default. OP probably knew this but speaking as someone who is fussy about monitor positions/ergonomics in general I understand you might not know if a certain monitor height/setup is going to work for you unless you spend some time using it in the real world.

Case in point I bought an iMac recently and after a day or so of using it I realised it was sitting too low on my desk, so I had to go and get a stand for it - and that's after fiddling with one in the Apple store. There was simply no way I could know if it's height would work for me by spending a few minutes with it in a busy retail store on a desk that I've never used.

 

[One2Grift]

This thread has been an interesting read, although I have to feel a little sorry for OP in this situation especially seeing how many people are blaming them.

In this scenario there's no one party that's "right" or "wrong"; Apple, for all their accessibility features, still sucks at making things ergonomic by default. OP probably knew this but speaking as someone who is fussy about monitor positions/ergonomics in general I understand you might not know if a certain monitor height/setup is going to work for you unless you spend some time using it in the real world.

Case in point I bought an iMac recently and after a day or so of using it I realised it was sitting too low on my desk, so I had to go and get a stand for it - and that's after fiddling with one in the Apple store. There was simply no way I could know if it's height would work for me by spending a few minutes with it in a busy retail store on a desk that I've never used.

Your opinion is they are not ergonomic, that is your opinion. That isn't mine and I think it isn't for many others.

Actually there is a right and wrong here, both are on display.
There are lots of right: Right, a device may not be a fit for an individual person. Right, as you mentioned you are, some will be particular about certain things - in this case it is monitor position (nothing wrong with that at all, every person has their 'thing'). Right, retailers including Apple have a no questions asked return window. Right, If you have any particular needs, you read on product to see if it may be able to fit that particular need. Right, if after receiving the product and use it for a week, if it doesn't fit your particular need you return it.
Wrong, you buy a product with a particular need when the product is known to not fit that need. Wrong, keeping a product when it doesn't fit that need. Wrong, feeding back information to others not to buy the product because of your own clear wrongs.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

C'mon everyone - this amount of debate and back and forth in a seeming effort to defend Apple here is... ridiculous.

It’s not defending Apple. I think most here that folks think are “defending” Apple would say the same if someone mentioned similar problems Windows computer, a car, or a lazy susan.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Case in point I bought an iMac recently and after a day or so of using it I realised it was sitting too low on my desk, so I had to go and get a stand for it - and that's after fiddling with one in the Apple store. There was simply no way I could know if it's height would work for me by spending a few minutes with it in a busy retail store on a desk that I've never used.

Apple does offer these AR things.

https://www.apple.com/105/media/us/imac-24/2021/5e004d75-3ad6-4bb9-ab59-41f891fc52f0/ar/imac24_blue_ios14.usdz

I always wondered why they go through the effort of doing these little toys for each release. But maybe this is why. I tried it on my desk and immediately knew it’d be to high for my use. Could probably raise my chair, but that only solves a part of the problem.

 

[DotCom2]

Sorry but that's just not an acceptable option, there is no need to spend however much on special prescription lenses for computer specifically because Apple can't be bothered to put an adjustable base ?

You obviously do not wear progressive lenses because if you did you wouldn’t be saying that.

 

[Maconplasma]

Sorry but that's just not an acceptable option, there is no need to spend however much on special prescription lenses for computer specifically because Apple can't be bothered to put an adjustable base ?

How ridiculous. Anyone can (and I do because my progressives aren't even suitable for my MacBook on the table) buy cheap reading glasses from Walmart for under $10. Stop trying to exaggerate a situation making it out to be the fault of the manufacturer. Apple along with HP and Dell have to make computers to satisfy millions of different needs. Let's be real about it hardly anyone even complained about the stand of the new iMac. Instead they put focus on the white bezel and the "missing" Apple logo on the front as if those are top priorities. All of a sudden one member starts a thread here about the iMac stand and all the other "bad" things about the new iMac are suddenly forgotten and the same people are trashing Apple as always. It's only because it's Apple. HP and Dell would've gotten a pass on this forum. ??

 

[Allyance]

Pretty much every flat screen monitor that Dell has put out in the last 15 years has been height adjustable. What planet are you from?

Like I said, I haven't been in the market for monitor in years, I am sure they do. As a reseller I sold alot of Dell white box computers they built for us small resellers. I also sold some of their servers too. I did not resell their monitors. My comment was based on my experience reselling and setting up computers from 1990 to 2009. How many computers have you built and sold? On my planet I sold over 2500 and installed everyone personally. Don't be such such smart ass.

 

[One2Grift]

It’s not defending Apple. I think most here that folks think are “defending” Apple would say the same if someone mentioned similar problems Windows computer, a car, or a lazy susan.

Just a friendly fyi U4U I actually am defending Apple (I may be the only one motivated by that).
I wouldn't buy an iMac because it doesn't work for what I need and like (last all in one I had was a Mac SE). I'd want monitor freedom and therefore I'd go with the mini or an X86 desktop. So knowing the iMac won't work for me, then buying it, reconfirming it wouldn't work for me, then feeding back info in a way that looks to dissuade others from buying it, slamming it for the patently obvious and public design of it? II have no problem defending Apple and saying they've put out a fine device that will work well for some.

 

[triptolemus]

How many computers have you built and sold?

Zero.

Over the last 15 years I have supported countless numbers of "Del" workstations" in offices and job sites through set ups, upgrades, moves, and whatever else. Our company has about 500 employee plus or minus. Every single one of those displays were (and are) adjustable. Your saying that in your 20 year career, you have seen just ONE height adjustable monitor? That's not at all believable my dude.

 

[smirking]

The large section is computer distance and the small part below is for reading.

Five pages of replies and nobody else besides @pshufd seems to be catching on to something that’s not right about the OP’s setup.

You shouldn't be using the reading part of your progressive lenses for reading a computer screen. The middle vision is much better suited for that and the iMac would be perfectly positioned to be used like this. I can't even imagine trying to use a computer with just the narrow sliver of reading lens at the bottom edge of a set of progressive lenses.

If that’s how you’re using your glasses, no (full size) monitor is going to be ergonomically correct with any amount of adjustment. Your field of vision will be just too narrow.

If for some reason you need to do it like this, you should be looking at a Surface device, laptop, or a tablet that can comfortably be placed at a lower and flatter position.

 

[Allyance]

Zero.

Over the last 15 years I have supported countless numbers of "Del" workstations" in offices and job sites through set ups, upgrades, moves, and whatever else. Our company has about 500 employee plus or minus. Every single one of those displays were (and are) adjustable. Your saying that in your 20 year career, you have seen just ONE height adjustable monitor? That's not at all believable my dude.

It was 15-20 years ago, there weren't many. The one I sold went up and down on the stand, I don't remember the brand. Believe what you want makes no difference to me, I know what sold and installed. You are lucky you work for a company with 500 employes. I had three, me, myself and I. My company served a small rural area in the Finger Lakes for non-profits and and small offices. You are still a smart ass.

 

[Maconplasma]

Zero.

Over the last 15 years I have supported countless numbers of "Del" workstations" in offices and job sites through set ups, upgrades, moves, and whatever else. Our company has about 500 employee plus or minus. Every single one of those displays were (and are) adjustable. Your saying that in your 20 year career, you have seen just ONE height adjustable monitor? That's not at all believable my dude.

This is not even the argument of this thread. It’s about an AIO without an adjustable stand, not any common stand-alone monitor. Comparing Apple’s AIO with other brand AIO’s there are only a small number that have adjustable stands. Most of them don’t. Once again people are making a mountain here about it only because it’s Apple.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Pretty much every flat screen monitor that Dell has put out in the last 15 years has been height adjustable. What planet are you from?

He/she is being disingenuous to attempt to win a point or something.
It’s preposterous

Anyone in the field with wide exposure to varied computing setups knows darn well how adjustable height is basically table stakes for monitors in the last decade or so.

 

[Allyance]

A simple pair of glasses will solve the problem, many people have made the same point. Who gives a rats ass which monitors are adjustable, iMacs are not and haven't been for 14 years. Get over it.

 

[salamanderjuice]

? Some of you are hilarious with your overreactions. Funny how I've managed to use this computer with such a "horrific" design for 14 years now without ever being bothered by it. LOL!

I also find it hilarious that Apple makes a version of the iMac specifically for people who have special needs for the way the display is mounted/angled, and you complain about THAT. So because YOU want a VESA mount adapter, that means that's the only model Apple should make, and no one should be able to buy the traditional one with the stand? Give me a break!

No bud. It should just be 1 model like almost every single other monitor for sale today. With most monitors these days they include both a stand and VESA mounting holes. That way you can use it out of the box with a stand or mount it even months or years down the line. You don't need to decide at time of purchase and custom order one with VESA holes like you do on the iMac.

 

[pshufd]

No bud. It should just be 1 model like almost every single other monitor for sale today. With most monitors these days they include both a stand and VESA mounting holes. That way you can use it out of the box with a stand or mount it even months or years down the line. You don't need to decide at time of purchase and custom order one with VESA holes like you do on the iMac.

This is incorrect. There are lots of fixed monitors still for sale. Dell even sells monitors where you can choose fixed or adjustable.

 

[pshufd]

A search for Acer monitors has the first four as not height-adjustable.

 

[Homy]

Pretty much every flat screen monitor that Dell has put out in the last 15 years has been height adjustable. What planet are you from?

Not really true. While they have many adjustable monitors they also have many unadjustable ones, i.e. not pretty much every one. Even with Dell you have to be careful what you buy to not get disappointed.

 

[salamanderjuice]

This is incorrect. There are lots of fixed monitors still for sale. Dell even sells monitors where you can choose fixed or adjustable.

Half of the monitors you showed are VESA mountable so you can put them on a monitor arm or 3rd party stand that is but they still include a stand. The ones that aren't are less than $200. Apple could include a ****** fixed stand like they do now and VESA mounting holes in 1 model and it would be an improvement over what they have now.

 

[pshufd]

Half of the monitors you showed are VESA mountable so you can put them on a monitor arm or 3rd party stand that is but they still include a stand. The ones that aren't are less than $200. Apple could include a ****** fixed stand like they do now and VESA mounting holes in 1 model and it would be an improvement over what they have now.

You made a claim. I was addressing your claim.

Your claim is clearly incorrect.

Most people won't do the VESA mount. They will get a couple of books and put it underneath the monitor. In the old days, we used telephone books.

 

[salamanderjuice]

You made a claim. I was addressing your claim.

Your claim is clearly incorrect.

Most people won't do the VESA mount. They will get a couple of books and put it underneath the monitor. In the old days, we used telephone books.

You didn't address my claim. I said most monitors come with a stand and VESA mounting holes. I never said whether the stand was fixed or adjustable. Half of those monitors do have both a stand and are VESA mountable. If it's VESA mountable you can easily get something to make it height adjustable for $50 or less.

 

[Fishrrman]

The OP seems to have disappeared.
Wondering if we'll see him again...?

 

[Allyance]

I doubt it?

 

[pshufd]

You didn't address my claim. I said most monitors come with a stand and VESA mounting holes. I never said whether the stand was fixed or adjustable. Half of those monitors do have both a stand and are VESA mountable. If it's VESA mountable you can easily get something to make it height adjustable for $50 or less.

I don't need to address your claim about VESA mounts. I don't really care. Never used that approach. Most people don't. Most people buy the cheapest monitor that's large enough and put it on a table. If it's too low, they stick a book or two underneath. That's the volume market.

 

[DotCom2]

The OP seems to have disappeared.
Wondering if we'll see him again...?

That's because he found out all he needs is a $20 pair of cheap Walmart Readers. Problem solved!