My wife gave me back her iPad

[sapporobaby]

As an aside,

Apple asked Adobe to allow them to fix Flash so that it worked properly and Adobe turned them down. The problem that Adobe has is of its own creation and not allowing Apple to fix it to work properly on an Apple platform doomed the chance of Flash ever coming to any of Apple's mobile devices. Not to mention HTML5 is gaining and making Flash irrelevant. In about a year or even less, the Flash debate will quickly be forgotten.

As for the wife of the OP, she and the OP should have tried the iPad in a store as opposed to purchasing it and then deciding that she doesn't want it. Sounds like a waste of time and money to me but hey, I don't live with her.

 

[Capt T]

Are you within the 14 days? Maybe you can return it and not have to deal with bay?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Screw flash. I surf all the time and don't need flash at all. What so great about it?

 

[rtay]

its funny because everyone on this site defends the ipad as a computer for everyone else, yet when there is an everyone else person that realizes that it doesnt work on some sites, which really sucks, then all of a sudden they are wrong and should know it doesnt have flash? this makes no sense. so if this is for everyone else, yet its not and they should know what flash is its their fault they bought a $500 web surfer that only surfs under half the web? why is it so hard to admit that apple messed up? you same people saying " we dont need a webcam, do you know how terrible it would be" will be the same ones talking about how revolutionary the iphone is for having one, even though you can dock the ipad. and if you honestly cant hold it steady, just get some 5 pound weights and lift 3 times a week.

 

[sapporobaby]

its funny because everyone on this site defends the ipad as a computer for everyone else, yet when there is an everyone else person that realizes that it doesnt work on some sites, which really sucks, then all of a sudden they are wrong and should know it doesnt have flash? this makes no sense. so if this is for everyone else, yet its not and they should know what flash is its their fault they bought a $500 web surfer that only surfs under half the web? why is it so hard to admit that apple messed up? you same people saying " we dont need a webcam, do you know how terrible it would be" will be the same ones talking about how revolutionary the iphone is for having one, even though you can dock the ipad. and if you honestly cant hold it steady, just get some 5 pound weights and lift 3 times a week.

Some of what you say is true but my point is simply, why buy it in the first place and then complain about it later. I have an iPad and I knew from the very beginning that it does not support Flash. There is a reason why I am not complaining. It's because I did research before I purchased it. The OP's wife has only herself to blame for (or the OP for that matter) making an uninformed purchase. There is this thing out there called Google you know.

 

[wombat888]

It never even entered my consciousness that Flash was in any way bad (other than for search engine optimization) until this iPad discussion came up. It seems inexcusable for Apple not to support it. Apple seems to be choosing to have a lot of enemies lately. There was already Microsoft, now they're in the process of adding Adobe and Google to the list?

To those saying "never" - Jobs also once ridiculed the idea of a video iPod.

 

[sapporobaby]

It never even entered my consciousness that Flash was in any way bad (other than for search engine optimization) until this iPad discussion came up. It seems inexcusable for Apple not to support it. Apple seems to be choosing to have a lot of enemies lately. There was already Microsoft, now they're in the process of adding Adobe and Google to the list?

To those saying "never" - Jobs also once ridiculed the idea of a video iPod.

Have you read any of the technical data regarding Flash and how it runs on a Mac or are you posting from an seemingly misinformed position? In short, Flash kills resources and battery life. Do you really think that Apple has no idea how to implement it on their mobile platforms? Really? They weighed the options and decided Flash was not worth the performance and battery life hit. Second, as I stated earlier Apple developers told Adobe that Apple could fix Flash to work and Adobe declined. So who is at fault here. The latest moves by Adobe to sue Apple reek of desperation because HTML5 is on the rise and does not do nearly the damage that Flash does.

You need to do a bit of research before posting unsupported and ill-informed information.

 

[wombat888]

Have you read any of the technical data regarding Flash and how it runs on a Mac or are you posting from an seemingly misinformed position? In short, Flash kills resources and battery life. Do you really think that Apple has no idea how to implement it on their mobile platforms? Really? They weighed the options and decided Flash was not worth the performance and battery life hit. Second, as I stated earlier Apple developers told Adobe that Apple could fix Flash to work and Adobe declined. So who is at fault here. The latest moves by Adobe to sue Apple reek of desperation because HTML5 is on the rise and does not do nearly the damage that Flash does.

You need to do a bit of research before posting unsupported and ill-informed information.

I do? Or what?

It is absurd in 2010 for a device like this not to support Flash. Sorry - the end.

It could be deactivated by default, with users able to toggle it on w/a warning that it may degrade performance.

And no, this isn't news to me - but the OP drives home the point of how annoying it is. For what it's worth, I'm planning to buy a 3g iPad, probably 64gb (haven't decided capacity) ... not a hater by any means, but this is a flat-out inexcusable decision.

 

[bustardvan]

Seriously, just as MiguelS said. What an ungrateful -----. It was a gift! And an iPad as a gift! Even if the iPad had no web connectivity I'd gladly take it as a gift.

At this point returning the iPad or giving it you should not be an option. Divorce of your marriage should.

 

[sapporobaby]

I do? Or what?

It is absurd in 2010 for a device like this not to support Flash. Sorry - the end.

It could be deactivated by default, with users able to toggle it on w/a warning that it may degrade performance.

And no, this isn't news to me - but the OP drives home the point of how annoying it is. For what it's worth, I'm planning to buy a 3g iPad, probably 64gb (haven't decided capacity) ... not a hater by any means, but this is a flat-out inexcusable decision.

Agreed. I use Click2Flash on my Mac. I pick and choose which Flash elements I want to see depending on the website, however you and I both know that Apple plays to the least common denominator, i.e. people that are not necessarily computer literate. To give them the option to enable and disable Flash could lead to problems that Apple does not want to deal with.

I am currently in Finland playing with a 16 gig iPad until the 3G's are released where I will sell the 16 gig and move on to the bigger and more robust version. For the most part I do not miss Flash. I have come across a few sites that require Flash but I just navigate around them. As HTML5 becomes more pervasive Flash relevance will be less and less.

 

[Soulcrux]

Seriously, just as MiguelS said. What an ungrateful -----. It was a gift! And an iPad as a gift! Even if the iPad had no web connectivity I'd gladly take it as a gift.

At this point returning the iPad or giving it you should not be an option. Divorce of your marriage should.

While i don't want to be quite as dramatic as you...

Yeah that seems kinda...ehh....

Seems like OP's wife is very fickle/demanding person by the likes of it...

Eugh...would not want that from a wife.

 

[kdarling]

Anyone with a child also knows how often Flash is used in kid and game sites.

Jobs can preach HTML5 all he wants, but it doesn't help in real life unless places like Disney, Poptropica and Wizard101 can totally rewrite their sites.

 

[Streethawk]

Anyone with a child also knows how often Flash is used in kid and game sites.

Jobs can preach HTML5 all he wants, but it doesn't help in real life unless places like Disney, Poptropica and Wizard101 can totally rewrite their sites.

Well you can bet Disney will go HTML5 sooner rather than later, with Steve's influence there it a certainty.

 

[arcanic]

ungrateful b$%*&
Is there a Coupon App?
just kidding

That was awful, but hilarious.

 

[0101001]

Divorce is looking good.

 

[0101001]

As far as farmville, Zynga created farmville.com for people to use with iPads and iPhones. I don't have an iPad yet (3G ordered) and I don't like how small the site is on my iPhone, but I would be interested to hear how it works on the iPad.

There is mafiawars.com too.

Does not work on the iPad.

 

[Hmac]

As an aside,

Apple asked Adobe to allow them to fix Flash so that it worked properly and Adobe turned them down. The problem that Adobe has is of its own creation and not allowing Apple to fix it to work properly on an Apple platform doomed the chance of Flash ever coming to any of Apple's mobile devices.

I wasn't aware of that specific issue, but similar things have been happening between Adobe and Apple since the very when Apple had so much at stake in desktop publishing. Adobe simply wouldnt' play ball, leading to Adobe Type Manage to keep scalable fonts on the Mac, but ultimately to Apple's invention of TrueType. The tensions between Apple and Adobe were just as high back then, with Apple being in a far more precarious position. Fortunately, Microsoft ultimately took Apple's side. I still remember John Warnock's speech about how TrueType was nothing but snake oil, and graphics artists should stick with Type 1 fonts (no matter how much they had to pay in royalties). A more recent example is Apple's departure from Adobe Acrobat as a built-in .pdf interpreter and creator. Then, there's also Apple's move toward it's own video and still image editing software. Now there's Flash.

Basically, Adobe is a company that wants to own design standards, control them and license them, while Apple is a company that hates being constrained to other companies' design standards and not being in control of how it works on their platform.

Those two companies have been viciously butting heads since 1984. This is just more of the same. The difference is that the big players, Micorsoft and Google, aren't going to help Apple out. The Flash wars will define for us all the degree of control that Apple has over the mobile market.

 

[ReallyBigFeet]

Some of what you say is true but my point is simply, why buy it in the first place and then complain about it later. I have an iPad and I knew from the very beginning that it does not support Flash. There is a reason why I am not complaining. It's because I did research before I purchased it. The OP's wife has only herself to blame for (or the OP for that matter) making an uninformed purchase. There is this thing out there called Google you know.

YOU know that it didn't support Flash, I knew that it didn't support Flash. We are here posting on a forum built primarily for techies and gadget freaks. I knew it didn't support Flash when I bought it for my wife (who only had seen the demo's online and such....we bought it first day it was released). What I didn't realize was how many sites she visits were Flash-based. I don't monitor her surfing history. She doesn't know what Flash is, or what it does. She DOES recognize the "Your browser needs to be upgraded...it doesn't support Flash" warnings she quickly encountered as being something wrong.

The thing is, her Apple/Mac experiences thus far have been exemplary. She didn't have to know these things. She didn't have to learn anything. Apple...it just works. Right? I thought that was what the beauty of being an Apple fan was all about. I buy my kids Windows boxes because of all the crazy programs they want to run (or need to for school). I have to constantly tweak them, update virus checkers, get program updates, etc. Heck, I spend more time with VNC running on their laptops and using same to remotely support them than I ever thought I'd have to. Its necessity. Not so with the Mac...I handed my wife her Macbook, set up a printer driver and she's not once asked me for help since. Same with the iPad actually for the things she could do with it.

Some of you can hate on me all you want for being a moron, or for her being a moron, of for "shoulda known better" type of stuff. But all that proves to me is that the iPad must be a niche product geared towards gearheads....novices need not apply? I don't think thats the Apple marketing pitch for these devices.

But here, I'll say it for you. Yes...I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. But you know what...so should have Apple.

Whatever.... I was just really struck by the irony of the situation.

Seriously, just as MiguelS said. What an ungrateful -----. It was a gift! And an iPad as a gift! Even if the iPad had no web connectivity I'd gladly take it as a gift.

At this point returning the iPad or giving it you should not be an option. Divorce of your marriage should.

LOL, yeah, divorce over an iPad. That's funny.

Its called honesty in a relationship. She returns gifts that she knows we paid good money for (I say we because we share our funds) rather than lying about how much she'll use it and letting it secretly gather dust. In return, I get to tell her when her butt looks fat in whatever atrocity passes for style these days. Its worked for over 20 years, I think we'll stick to the plan.

 

[samcraig]

the ipad does not need flash more sites need to move to html5.

You know - not to support Flash/Adobe or whatever you want to label my post - but this logic is a bit skewered.

In essence, are you suggesting that thousands of developers and websites (probably into the millions) change their method to accommodate one family of devices instead of one manufacturer adding functionality to access over a million sites.

While I think that sites should offer both options to gain the biggest audience - as of right now, there are a lot of things you just can't do with HTML5 that you can do in flash. Forget video streaming...

If this were any other situation, would people suggest the same type of "change" in the marketplace?

If everyone else was using blu-ray as a standard - would posters here suggest the movie companies produce all their movies over on HD-DVD and not on Blu-Ray because one manufacturer has determined HD-DVD to be superior?

Even with music - Apple recognizes that MP3s are far more popular. Imagine if iPods ONLY could play AAC?

Again - I'm not advocating for or against Flash. But TODAY - people are going to run into issues, get frustrated - and yes - speak negatively about the capabilities of the iPad.

For those posters that feel the need to attack the OP for his post - get off your high horse. Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not.

 

[Mactagonist]

The problem of some sites and features not working properly on mobile browsers exists, no doubt. But you draw a flawed conclusion from it.

You say "Apple needs to fix this and make their OSX mobile devices work with flash". I say "these webmasters need to make their sites work on the fastest growing method of accessing their sites" (mobile devices generally and OSX mobile specifically)

I have a ROM installed on my current phone that supports flash. It sucks. It is slow to the point of being unusable. Apple is right not to support it, it sucks that they will lose some customers along the way because of it but they have to stand strong if they want to drive webmasters away from flash. I think they have enough power in the market to do it. For every coupon site that refuses to drop flash, another will appear that caters to the devices people have in their bag when they shop.

 

[master-ceo]

Apple and Adobe need to kiss and make up.

All this independence is not good. Has to start sharing or else.

F*%# HTML5! IT SUCKS!

 

[0101001]

LOL, yeah, divorce over an iPad. That's funny.

Its called honesty in a relationship. She returns gifts that she knows we paid good money for (I say we because we share our funds) rather than lying about how much she'll use it and letting it secretly gather dust. In return, I get to tell her when her butt looks fat in whatever atrocity passes for style these days. Its worked for over 20 years, I think we'll stick to the plan.

Tell her you no longer like her engagement ring and you want to return it.
See how much she likes that.
20 years is a long time either you are too comfortable or to lazy to divorce. Lol

 

[Mactagonist]

Tell her you no longer like her engagement ring and you want to return it.
See how much she likes that.
20 years is a long time either you are too comfortable or to lazy to divorce. Lol

Can we ignore this blatant trolling?

It is a valid complaint, but I think it reflects more on the sites that refuse to stop using flash then on Apple.

 

[dyn]

You know - not to support Flash/Adobe or whatever you want to label my post - but this logic is a bit skewered.

The ever increasing amount of security problems in Adobe Flash and Adobe PDF is insane and needs to be stopped. Adobe does not seem to do much about it, instead they keep adding stuff that increase the insecurity of the product. That defies all logic and is the number 1 reason why sites shouldn't be using Flash any more.

In essence, are you suggesting that thousands of developers and websites (probably into the millions) change their method to accommodate one family of devices instead of one manufacturer adding functionality to access over a million sites.

It's a lot better than letting ordinary users deal with all the security problems related to things like Flash. They are the ones that will be the victims of those problems, not Adobe and not the website owner. Website owners/developers need to bear that in mind. Users will use the website and users need to be able to visit the website. There are quite a lot of people who are trying to make the web a lot more user friendlier and there are quite some guidelines for this as well. Mostly it's about making websites available to disabled people so they can surf the web. So yes, website owners and developers need to think about who their audience is.

While I think that sites should offer both options to gain the biggest audience - as of right now, there are a lot of things you just can't do with HTML5 that you can do in flash. Forget video streaming...

There are a lot of other technologies that can be used such as html5, css or even silverlight. Some of those technologies can do video streaming.

Again - I'm not advocating for or against Flash. But TODAY - people are going to run into issues, get frustrated - and yes - speak negatively about the capabilities of the iPad.

For those posters that feel the need to attack the OP for his post - get off your high horse. Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not.

I have to agree with that. Flash has its weaknesses but the problem is that a lot of sites still use it despite the weaknesses. Adobe either needs to fix Flash (which they are trying to do with 10.1) or we need to stop using it.

 

[samcraig]

When I said forget video streaming - I meant that I know other technologies can offer it. I was taking video streaming out of the equation.

And I agree - Adobe has a lot of issues with Security. But every product seems to as well.

OSX has has MANY security patches/fixes just in the last year. The reason that Windows gets so much crap is because they have them too - but 90 percent of the computers (estimated) run on Windows so the problem is more widespread. That doesn't make it any less or more of a problem for OSX.

Every browser and other internet-based software suffers from security holes, etc.

Singling out Adobe for security issues is just that - singling them out.