NAB 2012 and the Mac Pro

[robains]

Experts with previous good sources are saying there will be an update, so yep, betting on an update.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...rce_says_no_chance_apple_will_ax_mac_pro.html

I really don't get the sour attitude around here. Far more rumor evidence is for a Mac Pro update than against right now.

Love to see your evidence? There was a new MacBook Pro released. I was once again told by "experts in the know" (usually Apple employees) that a New MacPro would be announced on June 11th ... so many experts with carefully released "false" insider knowledge.

And yet no MacPro ... like I said long ago, Apple did not ask for engineering samples of the latest Intel Xeon CPUs (Intel source not Apple's sometimes fake sometimes real "leaks") so the likelihood of a new MacPro is slim to none.

 

[derbothaus]

You are beyond awesome robains.

 

[deconstruct60]

Love to see your evidence?

Errrr, the online Apple store which has Mac Pro configurations that didn't exist a month ago. Apple did upgrade. Apple also eventually clarified officially through PR department that they are working on a Mac Pro for 2013. Both of those align with Apple didn't axe the Mac Pro.

And yet no MacPro

yet there is

... like I said long ago, Apple did not ask for engineering samples of the latest Intel Xeon CPUs (Intel source not Apple's sometimes fake sometimes real "leaks") so the likelihood of a new MacPro is slim to none.

All that means is that this June's update didn't have latest Xeon E5s. Which isn't surprising at this point because it doesn't have them. It was surprising from Feb-till WWDC that Apple wouldn't bump with new design.

However, at this point, there is no need for pre-production engineering samples because they E5s are generally shipping. Likewise with the speed bumped 3500/3600/5600s since they have been shipping over a year.

P.S. It would not be suprising either if Apple has outsourced development of the Mac Pro boards in some cloak-and-dagger fashion to some external shop which has contributed to the delays. So it wouldn't be Apple reporting board or CPU level defects to Intel.

 

[JesterJJZ]

Errrr, the online Apple store which has Mac Pro configurations that didn't exist a month ago. Apple did upgrade. Apple also eventually clarified officially through PR department that they are working on a Mac Pro for 2013. Both of those align with Apple didn't axe the Mac Pro.



yet there is



All that means is that this June's update didn't have latest Xeon E5s. Which isn't surprising at this point because it doesn't have them. It was surprising from Feb-till WWDC that Apple wouldn't bump with new design.

However, at this point, there is no need for pre-production engineering samples because they E5s are generally shipping. Likewise with the speed bumped 3500/3600/5600s since they have been shipping over a year.

P.S. It would not be suprising either if Apple has outsourced development of the Mac Pro boards in some cloak-and-dagger fashion to some external shop which has contributed to the delays. So it wouldn't be Apple reporting board or CPU level defects to Intel.

I think the conflicts of opinion are whether you can define and "updated" MacPro to be the same as "New" MacPro. The majority of people around here, as well as Apple, have come to grips with the idea that the latest "update" to the MacPro line does not in fact warrant the "New" tag.

 

[deconstruct60]

I think the conflicts of opinion are whether you can define and "updated" MacPro to be the same as "New" MacPro.

Not really. Robains post to which goMac responded ends with "RIP Mac Pro". Previously in this thread he has referenced it has been a "vapor" hardware and inferred as canceled. Clearly that isn't about update or upgrade distinctions but about EOL. goMac referenced rumor source basically says the "Mac Pro won't be canceled" (unequivocally that there would be a new Mac Pro , no dates just essentially that it is not canceled). goMac said there would be an update.

I used the word upgrade which is probably a stretch. but updated certainly fits with what did in fact happen. To tap dance in and say this isn't an update is a farce. The "new" aspect is moot because robains was busy dancing the "ding dong the Mac Pro is dead" jig; which it is not. The misdirect is to turn it into "well it isn't 'new' new" now.

The majority of people around here, as well as Apple, have come to grips with the idea that the latest "update" to the MacPro line does not in fact warrant the "New" tag.

While I get the technical definition you are trying to place on "new" here, here a snapshot from the my dictionary app on the Mac.

" new
adjective
1. not existing before; made, introduced, or discovered recently or now for the first time ...
2. already existing but seen, experienced, or acquired recently or now for the first time ... "

The fact is the "new" is being nuanced here into what is normally tagged in IT infrastructure transitions as an 'upgrade'. But in fact the above is pretty close to how he actual usage in the "it is dead, there will be no more Mac Pro" context. This configurations didn't exist before as Apple products, they were recently introduced, and many folks recently discovered that they predictions ( "canceled" , "revolutionary new TB enhanced , etc. ) were offbase. If talking about what the word actually means it really isn't a matter whether the word fits; it does.

What this qualified "new" , and debate as to use another tag, is really a rationalization as to why it should not be considered as something to buy.

 

[qwarkas]

Updates mac pro processors in 2013 should be great! Today's generation of Sandy Bridge. Six-core Sandy Bridge-EP i7-3960x 3.3Ghz is faster than six-core processor xeon x5680 or i7-980x to 30% (see the "core i7 3960x vs core i7 980x").The Sandy Bridge is an evolution of the Nehalem, but still the old foundation. In 2013 should see the xeon Ivy Bridge-EP generation processors, which will be even faster because it is a new foundation! The reason for the delay new mac pro.

 

[thekev]

Updates mac pro processors in 2013 should be great! Today's generation of Sandy Bridge. Six-core Sandy Bridge-EP i7-3960x 3.3Ghz is faster than six-core processor xeon x5680 or i7-980x to 30% (see the "core i7 3960x vs core i7 980x").The Sandy Bridge is an evolution of the Nehalem, but still the old foundation. In 2013 should see the xeon Ivy Bridge-EP generation processors, which will be even faster because it is a new foundation! The reason for the delay new mac pro.

There's really no basis for this. On all other models Sandy was a bigger update than Ivy. What could possibly make you think this will be a significant departure? At the top you may start to see 16 core mac pros. It may be like with nehalem/westmere where part of the line remains on the older process. Even then the biggest gain from westmere was the use of hex core cpus. Beyond that, very little changed.

 

[robains]

What "update"??

MacPro Options

ATI 5870 (2+ years old)

DVD drives no BD Burners? (6+ years old)

No 30" displays?

No Thunderbolt?

No USB 3.0?

No Quad channel memory support?

8 core xeons have been around for a while now E5-2660 Sandy=EP

Sorry, but what I see at the Apple store is not an "updated" nor is it a "new" MacPro.