Nano-texture iMac is awesome

[Freida]

I wanted to see the nano on display. Don't care about Dell

Anyway, in your case. Do you see it as bad as people say or how much of a real difference it is?
I always preferred Matte in all displays that I've had so is it like any other matte on other displays or is it worse? Because if its better than I don't see why people complain about this as Matte has always been like this.

Yes! I'd like to see the store showing a $200 Dell monitor side-by-side so we can see it blowing away a 5K Retina display. Goodness knows that my pair of 4K LG monitors don't.

Now fair's fair… I have one of those 27" 4K LG's hooked up to the iMac with the nano-glass and another hooked up to my iMac Pro. I can actually see the differences.

Pretty easy to see, actually, when they're side by side and all.

 

[jukkhop]

Which store was it, please? I would like to see it also

Oh, this is a Finnish retailer called Verkkokauppa.com, I'm afraid they are not international.

 

[1992LC575]

Nope. Not a gamer. My wife is a school teacher teaching online and the 2020 iMac is perfect for her. Had you actually read enough of this thread, you would have known that.

Apparently you did not understand my post. Neither did you look at my signature. It should have been easy for you to figure out that my iMac is a 14 Core iMac Pro.
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I'm sure you play some great games on that iMac pro, and use the preinstalled apps to their fullest.

Again, bravo you and your opinion on this display.

 

[Donnation]

Lol, this is a classic MacRumors thread. Someone starts a thread praising something that they like about their Mac only to have it flooded with people telling them why they don't like it and that its something that other people won't like too. Love it.

 

[mikehalloran]

I'm sure you play some great games on that iMac pro, and use the preinstalled apps to their fullest.

Again, bravo you and your opinion on this display.

I already said I’m not a gamer but you don’t believe it. Why would you think I lie? I’m a working AV pro — but you would know both if you actually paid attention because I already told you so.

Clearly, paying attention is not something you do.

My question is still unanswered. Why would anyone do precision AV or graphics on a consumer grate iMac? iMac Pros and Mac Pros exist for that kind of heavy lifting. That’s what I use my iMac Pro for. You keep missing that point so I’m repeating. I was asking a legitimate question — you missed that, too, and responded with lame insults — ok, if I were a gamer, I’d be insulted. Still with me?

 

[Freida]

iMac is now faster in most tasks than iMac Pro so for example here, you can do graphics etc. on iMac. I don't know the history if your arguing but don't be fooled by the "Pro" label.

iMac Pro is now not the computer to buy and Mac Pro is too expensive for certain tasks/professions. In fact, iMac is now probably the best tool for most.

This could be very long topic though but yeah, anyone can do it. You choose the right tool for the right job. Not label so now your question IS answered.

My question is still unanswered. Why would anyone do precision AV or graphics on a consumer grate iMac? iMac Pros and Mac Pros exist for that kind of heavy lifting.

 

[mikehalloran]

iMac is now faster in most tasks than iMac Pro so for example here, you can do graphics etc. on iMac. I don't know the history if your arguing but don't be fooled by the "Pro" label.

iMac Pro is now not the computer to buy and Mac Pro is too expensive for certain tasks/professions. In fact, iMac is now probably the best tool for most.

This could be very long topic though but yeah, anyone can do it. You choose the right tool for the right job. Not label so now your question IS answered.

Yea, you've missed the point of that ridiculous exchange. Of course, the 2020 iMac can do graphics. I wasn't the one who said it couldn't.

He was arguing that he returned it because it couldn't do precision high end graphics — and that's different. My question is still unanswered — why would anyone buy a consumer machine for that task?

The lame insults about gaming lead me to believe that he doesn't understand the issue, either.

As good as it is, a 2020 iMac cannot crunch certain types of AV and graphics files unless you have a week or longer but a 16 Core Mac Pro 7.1 can do them in a day with the right Turbo card and twin Vega GPUs. Or 5–20 Minis with 10GBe linked through the T2 chip connected to a badass eGPU and controlled by an iMP as Apple demonstrated in 2018. The 14–18 core iMac Pro with a Vega 64X is somewhere in the middle but it will accept a pair of XDR Pro or 5K monitors. The 2020 iMac 5700 XT should be able to handle one or the other but not two unless their 4K. It won't have nearly the horsepower of a machine with a pair of TB3 busses.

And for some types of files, you really need a $43k MP 7.1 connected to a few $6,000 monitors. Until the 28 Core MP was released, studios were buying $150,000 Maya Box rendering stations to use with their $40,000 precision monitors.

But no, let's have more stupid remarks about gaming. That really pushes the discussion forward.

I think the 2020 iMac is an excellent machine for the right user. Heck, I bought one and I didn't return it. I'm not the user for it but my wife is and it will handle her Photoshop needs nicely but not mine. Life is too short and time=$$$$ for me.

If I only made music, I'd consider downgrading to a 2020 10 Core — but I use it for more. If an iMac Pro refresh doesn't happen soon with some of the features introduced in the 2020 plus a RAM upgrade and higher end GPU, I'll bite the bullet for a 16 or 24 Core Mac Pro. People like I want to save money like anyone else but our gigs require some serious horsepower.


The last video game I really liked was the original arcade version of Pong from Syzygy. About 50 or so were built before Nolan changed the company name to Atari. My buddies and I used to drop quarters into it after work and it was a lot of fun. In the last 45 years, I've not seen a video game I want to play. I don't get playing online games in a room by myself when there's work to be done. I don't slag gamers and their fun, though. What's the point of that?

 

[Lammers]

I think you're reading too much into the "Pro" labels on the products. Apple sells many "Pro" products to consumers and many non-"Pro" products (iMacs, MacBooks, MacBook Airs, etc) into enterprise and other "pro" use cases. It's just a range of products with different capabilities at different price points and people choose the most appropriate point to buy into that spectrum for their needs.

 

[Freida]

Well, I guess you are just different generation so for you it may be 'waste' but for others its a form of relax or fun.
In fact, you had lots of fun after work also so I wonder why you don't get it now?
You haven't seen a game to play in last 45 years? OR you DIDN'T want to play? I find it a bit sad that you feel that way because the game market improved drastically and there is tons of good quality games of all genres for anyone who wishes to take the mind off from already crazy society. I don't play that much as I'm older too (not as old as you though ;-) ) but I like to play strategic or brain tackling games to stimulate me. Its a good form of relaxation for me. I think you should try it maybe to see if it could stimulate you in the way you want.

Also, there is ALWAYS work to be done. ALWAYS!!! But life is not only about work or chores etc.

I see games as another form of entertainment. Here is a good example:

If I go and play bowling with friends and spend around $50 that night (random figure) I will have fun for few hours and thats about it. Now, I can play a game with my friend (online in this example just to follow up on your point) and have the same amount of fun that could last much longer if we both decide to do it.

Both equally stimulating and entertaining. I moved across the ocean so all my friends are on different continent (I mean my old friends) so online is the only form i can communicate until I go and visit them about once a year (now not at all because of COVID). So instead of chit chatting on Skype for about 20 mins to get update, its fun to do something together whilst chit chatting also between things.

Also, as sad as it is with current society - its easier to schedule a 1-2 hours "game night" than to organise a drink together because drink lasts longer, my friends need to get babysitters for their kids, schedule pending etc.

So all in all, I disagree with your approach and I would like you to try it. See if you find something you like. Set a limit of how much entertainment you want to have and find the stimulus you desire. You may be pleasantly surprised and maybe discover something new.

Just a suggestion of course - you don't need to do anything. Just feel it could be nice. ;-)

The last video game I really liked was the original arcade version of Pong from Syzygy. About 50 or so were built before Nolan changed the company name to Atari. My buddies and I used to drop quarters into it after work and it was a lot of fun. In the last 45 years, I've not seen a video game I want to play. I don't get playing online games in a room by myself when there's work to be done. I don't slag gamers and their fun, though. What's the point of that?

 

[iDomDotCom]

Alright everyone...so here's my final verdict regardless of what I have said in the past on this forum.

I am going to return my nano-texture 5700XT and swap it for a glossy 5500XT.

As far as the nano goes, it looks exactly like a "paper-like" screen protectors for iPad.

Text is slightly fuzzier...but ultimately not a bother. Images look smooth, movies look AMAZING, photos looks great as well. Contrast does slightly suffer, but noticeably less than any other matte display I have ever used. It really is a great screen to look at. HDR looks great in movies as well.

As far as vector based work, especially on a white background, it's not suitable.

It gives a grainy, sparkly effect, the same effect that my $40 iPad Screen Protector gives on any plain white background. I have them side by side and the iMac's grain/sparkle is probably 75% as strong as my paper-lke. I only put up with it currently on the iPad cause of Procreate and the texture it adds for the Apple Pnecil. For a screen I don't need to write on, however? It's really bothersome. I didn't notice it until I started jumping back into Adobe Illustrator, but unfortunately it's just not suitable for my needs. So in that case, @rkuo you are right.

As far as the graphics card, I can refer you to the Max Tech Video right here for my decision on downgrading that (in addition to the white line glitch that everyone's been dealing with.)

 

[filmak]

Alright everyone...so here's my final verdict regardless of what I have said in the past on this forum.

I am going to return my nano-texture 5700XT and swap it for a glossy 5500XT.

As far as the nano goes, it looks exactly like a "paper-like" screen protectors for iPad.

Text is slightly fuzzier...but ultimately not a bother. Images look smooth, movies look AMAZING, photos looks great as well. Contrast does slightly suffer, but noticeably less than any other matte display I have ever used. It really is a great screen to look at. HDR looks great in movies as well.

As far as vector based work, especially on a white background, it's not suitable.

It gives a grainy, sparkly effect, the same effect that my $40 iPad Screen Protector gives on any plain white background. I have them side by side and the iMac's grain/sparkle is probably 75% as strong as my paper-lke. I only put up with it currently on the iPad cause of Procreate and the texture it adds for the Apple Pnecil. For a screen I don't need to write on, however? It's really bothersome. I didn't notice it until I started jumping back into Adobe Illustrator, but unfortunately it's just not suitable for my needs. So in that case, @rkuo you are right.

As far as the graphics card, I can refer you to the Max Tech Video right here for my decision on downgrading that (in addition to the white line glitch that everyone's been dealing with.)

Why not the plain 5700 GPU?

 

[Donnation]

Alright everyone...so here's my final verdict regardless of what I have said in the past on this forum.

I am going to return my nano-texture 5700XT and swap it for a glossy 5500XT.

As far as the nano goes, it looks exactly like a "paper-like" screen protectors for iPad.

Text is slightly fuzzier...but ultimately not a bother. Images look smooth, movies look AMAZING, photos looks great as well. Contrast does slightly suffer, but noticeably less than any other matte display I have ever used. It really is a great screen to look at. HDR looks great in movies as well.

As far as vector based work, especially on a white background, it's not suitable.

It gives a grainy, sparkly effect, the same effect that my $40 iPad Screen Protector gives on any plain white background. I have them side by side and the iMac's grain/sparkle is probably 75% as strong as my paper-lke. I only put up with it currently on the iPad cause of Procreate and the texture it adds for the Apple Pnecil. For a screen I don't need to write on, however? It's really bothersome. I didn't notice it until I started jumping back into Adobe Illustrator, but unfortunately it's just not suitable for my needs. So in that case, @rkuo you are right.

As far as the graphics card, I can refer you to the Max Tech Video right here for my decision on downgrading that (in addition to the white line glitch that everyone's been dealing with.)

Just as an FYI, none of the iMacs actually does HDR video. It's just a marketing term. The picture isn't any different than older iMacs that "Can't do HDR."

 

[bigcat]

Alright everyone...so here's my final verdict regardless of what I have said in the past on this forum.

I am going to return my nano-texture 5700XT and swap it for a glossy 5500XT.

As far as the nano goes, it looks exactly like a "paper-like" screen protectors for iPad.

Text is slightly fuzzier...but ultimately not a bother. Images look smooth, movies look AMAZING, photos looks great as well. Contrast does slightly suffer, but noticeably less than any other matte display I have ever used. It really is a great screen to look at. HDR looks great in movies as well.

As far as vector based work, especially on a white background, it's not suitable.

It gives a grainy, sparkly effect, the same effect that my $40 iPad Screen Protector gives on any plain white background. I have them side by side and the iMac's grain/sparkle is probably 75% as strong as my paper-lke. I only put up with it currently on the iPad cause of Procreate and the texture it adds for the Apple Pnecil. For a screen I don't need to write on, however? It's really bothersome. I didn't notice it until I started jumping back into Adobe Illustrator, but unfortunately it's just not suitable for my needs. So in that case, @rkuo you are right.

As far as the graphics card, I can refer you to the Max Tech Video right here for my decision on downgrading that (in addition to the white line glitch that everyone's been dealing with.)

it’s an “AMAZING” display but just looks like the iPad with a $40 screen protector?🤔

 

[iDomDotCom]

Just as an FYI, none of the iMacs actually does HDR video. It's just a marketing term. The picture isn't any different than older iMacs that "Can't do HDR."

Is that a fact? Apple’s website says otherwise and that the 2020 iMacs are the first displays with HDR.

Play HDR video on Mac - Apple Support

Support for high dynamic range (HDR) video, such as HDR movies and TV shows from Apple or other providers, requires the latest version of macOS, a compatible Mac model, and an HDR10-compatible display, TV, or projector.

support.apple.com

Also I was watching movies side by side with an HDR enabled TV and I thought the HDR effect looked even more exaggerated on the iMac. I watched Blade Runner 2049, Justice League and others.

 

[iDomDotCom]

it’s an “AMAZING” display but just looks like the iPad with a $40 screen protector?🤔

Yes. It’s amazing when watching moving images and pictures. However when statically viewing a white background, it looks very “gritty” and rough exactly like those protectors. Even scrolling through the Apple website is bothersome.It’s a jarring juxtaposition.

 

[Donnation]

Is that a fact? Apple’s website says otherwise and that the 2020 iMacs are the first displays with HDR.

Play HDR video on Mac - Apple Support

Support for high dynamic range (HDR) video, such as HDR movies and TV shows from Apple or other providers, requires the latest version of macOS, a compatible Mac model, and an HDR10-compatible display, TV, or projector.

support.apple.com

Also I was watching movies side by side with an HDR enabled TV and I thought the HDR effect looked even more exaggerated on the iMac. I watched Blade Runner 2049, Justice League and others.

Yeah I know its disappointing, but they cannot. Saying an iMac can play HDR video is just a marketing term. For LCD panels, anything short of 1000 nits of brightness and black level of .05 nits wouldn't be considered true HDR. The iMac doesn't come close to that. Anyone can say they have an HDR panel because there aren't any regulations around it, but for LCD screens more often than not its just marketing. The iMac has a nice picture, but its no where close to achieving what an OLED panel achieves that actually is true HDR. All it means is that it can play HDR encoded video, but the picture isn't going to be any better than the iMac's before it, and that is fact.

 

[wilberforce]

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[rkuo]

Alright everyone...so here's my final verdict regardless of what I have said in the past on this forum.

I am going to return my nano-texture 5700XT and swap it for a glossy 5500XT.

As far as the nano goes, it looks exactly like a "paper-like" screen protectors for iPad.

Text is slightly fuzzier...but ultimately not a bother. Images look smooth, movies look AMAZING, photos looks great as well. Contrast does slightly suffer, but noticeably less than any other matte display I have ever used. It really is a great screen to look at. HDR looks great in movies as well.

As far as vector based work, especially on a white background, it's not suitable.

It gives a grainy, sparkly effect, the same effect that my $40 iPad Screen Protector gives on any plain white background. I have them side by side and the iMac's grain/sparkle is probably 75% as strong as my paper-lke. I only put up with it currently on the iPad cause of Procreate and the texture it adds for the Apple Pnecil. For a screen I don't need to write on, however? It's really bothersome. I didn't notice it until I started jumping back into Adobe Illustrator, but unfortunately it's just not suitable for my needs. So in that case, @rkuo you are right.

As far as the graphics card, I can refer you to the Max Tech Video right here for my decision on downgrading that (in addition to the white line glitch that everyone's been dealing with.)

That's pretty much everything I was trying to say. Great display, but has visible tradeoffs just like you mentioned. There's just no substitute for seeing the difference in person ... and if I hadn't, I might still be obsessing over the difference trying to figure out how much better/worse it really is.

 

[iDomDotCom]

That's pretty much everything I was trying to say. Great display, but has visible tradeoffs just like you mentioned. There's just no substitute for seeing the difference in person ... and if I hadn't, I might still be obsessing over the difference trying to figure out how much better/worse it really is.

Yeah, you were right. I would actually prefer a typical 4K display to it, as it wouldn't have the weird distortion this screen displayed.

Oh well...time to bring this bad boy back to FedEx.

 

[iMi]

I ordered both to compare, but I think I'm not even going to open the glossy version and just straight-up return it. I feel like the reflections would bother me much more than slightly less fine texts on the screen.

I am a bit worried at how the nano will fare over time, however, I also don't plan on touching it with my hands any time soon!

You ordered both just to compare with the intention or returning one? You do understand that returned macs lose value and apple is no longer able to sell them as new, right? You see no ethical dilemma here?

 

[mikehalloran]

Well, I guess you are just different generation so for you it may be 'waste' but for others its a form of relax or fun.
In fact, you had lots of fun after work also so I wonder why you don't get it now?
You haven't seen a game to play in last 45 years? OR you DIDN'T want to play? I find it a bit sad that you feel that way because the game market improved drastically and there is tons of good quality games of all genres for anyone who wishes to take the mind off from already crazy society. I don't play that much as I'm older too (not as old as you though ;-) ) but I like to play strategic or brain tackling games to stimulate me. Its a good form of relaxation for me. I think you should try it maybe to see if it could stimulate you in the way you want.

I suggest that you keep your attempts at psychoanalysis to yourself. It makes you look ridiculous and is highly offensive to me.

I've never said anything against gamers or gaming. Only that the person who tried to use that as an insult against me was clueless. I can't be insulted by someone calling me a gamer. If you enjoy them, fine with me.

For the record, I love games but not playing them on a computer. They don't appeal to me and never have with that one exception. I know hardly anyone my age who prefers them.

Despite what you think, that's ok. Really, it is.

 

[mikehalloran]

I think you're reading too much into the "Pro" labels on the products. Apple sells many "Pro" products to consumers and many non-"Pro" products (iMacs, MacBooks, MacBook Airs, etc) into enterprise and other "pro" use cases. It's just a range of products with different capabilities at different price points and people choose the most appropriate point to buy into that spectrum for their needs.

You're entitled to your opinion but let's stick to Apple's, ok? They're the ones who label some products Pro.

I think that I was responding to a comment that implied the 2020 iMac can do any graphics task — and better than an iMac Pro. Light duty graphics? Of course it can. The kind of files I was talking about? Nope. Not even close. and then I mentioned that some types of graphic files really need a $43k Mac Pro because the alternative is a $150k Win10 high end graphics machine used in some industries.

You see, I think that I have enough experience to know about this.

But please, think what you like. I'm not stopping you.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, ignoring the iOS "pro" products, you do bring up an interesting point whether you know it or not. All of Apple's current Pro Macs have something in common: The T2 chip and 10G Ethernet (10GBe). This allows them to be linked with Cat6/6e/7 cable to form an extremely powerful machine, often combined with a monster eGPU.

The MP 7.1 can put it all in the same box so Apple doesn't talk about it anymore but the 2018 WWDC had stacks of 5, 10 & 20 Minis all crunching the same graphics file. Some were controlled by a MBP, others an iMP and others just had a keyboard and monitor connected to the Mini and eGPU.

Yes, the Mini is not officially a Pro but I'm sure that's because it can be ordered with 1GBe. Same with the 2020 iMac. However, both can be ordered with 10GBe allowing them to become linked to other T2 10GBe Macs.

Do I expect this to happen? Well, no because of the MP 7.1 — actually cheaper than a 2020 iMac, 10 Minis and the GPU one would need. Still interesting to know that Apple has blurred the lines.

 

[Freida]

Huh? Did you not read what I quoted and then responded to? It feels like you are answering to a completely different post or something.
Highly offensive? Are you sure you are referring to me and my post because it feels you are talking about something else. Please re-read your post and my answer to that. ;-)

I suggest that you keep your attempts at psychoanalysis to yourself. It makes you look ridiculous and is highly offensive to me.

I've never said anything against gamers or gaming. Only that the person who tried to use that as an insult against me was clueless. I can't be insulted by someone calling me a gamer. If you enjoy them, fine with me.

For the record, I love games but not playing them on a computer. They don't appeal to me and never have with that one exception. I know hardly anyone my age who prefers them.

Despite what you think, that's ok. Really, it is.

 

[Donnation]

You ordered both just to compare with the intention or returning one? You do understand that returned macs lose value and apple is no longer able to sell them as new, right? You see no ethical dilemma here?

Lol, its not an ethical dilemma.

 

[iMi]

Lol, its not an ethical dilemma.

I am not judging at all. Just curious here. Would you steal $200 from the cash register (hypothetically of course, if they had them) at the Apple store? I’m assuming the answer is no... If so, would you equate buying a machine you know you will return that will now cost Apple say $200 loss in revenue? If not, why not?

There is an alternative. You could simply go to the Apple store and look at both options before ordering.

On the other hand, since we’re in a pandemic, staying home is the more socially responsible thing to do. Playing a positive role public safety at the cost of $200 to one of the richest company in the word is probably a sound decision.

It’s kind of like the educational discount, and lets me honest, a lot of us here are perpetually in “college” as far as Apple purchases are concerned. Is that unethical? It’s really not any different from what you and so many of us here are doing.

Anyway... That’s probably a topic for a whole new tread where our league of armchair philosophy aficionados can freely annoy pepole who actually have important **** to do in life. 😂