Nano-texture iMac is awesome

[Donnation]

I am not judging at all. Just curious here. Would you steal $200 from the cash register (hypothetically of course, if they had them) at the Apple store? I’m assuming the answer is no... If so, would you equate buying a machine you know you will return that will now cost Apple say $200 loss in revenue? If not, why not?

There is an alternative. You could simply go to the Apple store and look at both options before ordering.

On the other hand, since we’re in a pandemic, staying home is the more socially responsible thing to do. Playing a positive role public safety at the cost of $200 to one of the richest company in the word is probably a sound decision.

It’s kind of like the educational discount, and lets me honest, a lot of us here are perpetually in “college” as far as Apple purchases are concerned. Is that unethical? It’s really not any different from what you and so many of us here are doing.

Anyway... That’s probably a topic for a whole new tread where our league of armchair philosophy aficionados can freely annoy pepole who actually have important **** to do in life.

Most stores don’t have these in the display to look at. I didn’t buy two of them to compare, I was just replying to your post about ethics as I don’t see it as an ethical dilemma to purchase two items to see which one you’d like to keep when they aren’t widely available to see.

If I go to the Apple store with my phone that has a problem under warranty, I don’t get a brand new one, I get a refurb model despite what people believe. Is that ethical for Apple to do that? Point being there are trade offs and Apple knows that people do this and plans accordingly for it.

 

[Freida]

Very presumptuous of you. Most stores don't have them on display so ordering it and checking at home is the only option. Just like GPU options, HDD or even RAM. None of those bloody options are available in store so one has to 'guess' the ideal config but there are things you can't guess. And often, even if you guess correctly sometimes you realise you might need more (or less). Apple's restrictions to what you can get in stores is nothing like stealing $200. Their business model is set the way it is and its done like that on purpose.
I hate that I can't see Nano display in person but that is not my fault. So I will order as many iMacs as I need until I get the right product Apple wants me to have.
So please, don't compare it to stealing - that is way out of line!

I am not judging at all. Just curious here. Would you steal $200 from the cash register (hypothetically of course, if they had them) at the Apple store? I’m assuming the answer is no... If so, would you equate buying a machine you know you will return that will now cost Apple say $200 loss in revenue? If not, why not?

There is an alternative. You could simply go to the Apple store and look at both options before ordering.

On the other hand, since we’re in a pandemic, staying home is the more socially responsible thing to do. Playing a positive role public safety at the cost of $200 to one of the richest company in the word is probably a sound decision.

It’s kind of like the educational discount, and lets me honest, a lot of us here are perpetually in “college” as far as Apple purchases are concerned. Is that unethical? It’s really not any different from what you and so many of us here are doing.

Anyway... That’s probably a topic for a whole new tread where our league of armchair philosophy aficionados can freely annoy pepole who actually have important **** to do in life. 😂

 

[Donnation]

Very presumptuous of you. Most stores don't have them on display so ordering it and checking at home is the only option. Just like GPU options, HDD or even RAM. None of those bloody options are available in store so one has to 'guess' the ideal config but there are things you can't guess. And often, even if you guess correctly sometimes you realise you might need more (or less). Apple's restrictions to what you can get in stores is nothing like stealing $200. Their business model is set the way it is and its done like that on purpose.
I hate that I can't see Nano display in person but that is not my fault. So I will order as many iMacs as I need until I get the right product Apple wants me to have.
So please, don't compare it to stealing - that is way out of line!

I look at it this way. If someone wanted to see the nano version of the screen they could order one to see if they liked it, but not order the glossy. If they don't like it, they will then have to send the Nano version back and then order a new one with the glossy screen and wait for it to arrive. Either way, a Nano version was going to be opened and returned if the person didn't like it so already having the glossy on hand just saves some steps and time.

 

[arctair]

Well, after ten days of the Nano glass up and running, I was pretty sure I was OK with it. It certainly resolved my reflection issues. Seemed sharp enough, nothing "blurry". Then I went to Best Buy, and immediately I thought someone had fixed my glasses prescription. I was resolved to go home and start my return immediately. Then when I got home it seemed fine again.

They REALLY need to have these setup next to each other SOMEWHERE. Now I keep thinking the gloss of the screen fooled me. Or the lighting differences in the store

Then I realized $400 was on the line. And don't get me started on how I can't tell the difference (and the latter may win) between the text on my Retina display and my 32" AOC 4K monitor set at comparable scaling.

 

[mikehalloran]

For me, there’s no comparison between my 5K iMacs and 4K LG side monitors. My next decent project will probably see me replacing them with LG 5Ks.

My comparison is between the 5K in my iMac Pros and the Nano-glass in my wife’s 2020. I was hoping for an iMP bump that would include Nano-glass but that doesn’t appear to be happening till next year. I’ll live.
What’s Next for the iMac Pro?

Apple released a large number of iMac Pros into the Refurb Store yesterday so I snagged an 18 Core Vega 64X 128GB 4TB for less than the $8,828 price of a maxed out 2020 iMac. Nano-glass and 8TB for me will just have to wait.

Before the usual suspects pile on, the 5700 XT is slower rendering my work than the 64X. I don’t like the fan and air noise when I ran a test project on it. May be wonderful for gamers but I don’t care for games on the Mac — never have and after 38 years (I go back to the LiSA), I never will.

My wife and I make our livings on these machines and vote with our pocketbooks.

 

[jukkhop]

Smart decision. I think a lot of people who bought the iMac 2020 wish they got the IMP instead. Looks like it'll go down in history as the best Intel iMac.

 

[arctair]

Glasses — specifically progressives: Wondering how many people had a tough time with the nano glass wear them, and vice versa.

 

[mikehalloran]

Glasses — specifically progressives: Wondering how many people had a tough time with the nano glass wear them, and vice versa.

A pair of senior citizens here, both with progressives, her's a lot stronger than mine.

My 27" LG 4K monitors are the ones most difficult to see for me and I'm think of replacing them with 5Ks.

After working working with nano-glass on my wife's new 2020, I'm ready for the next iMac Pro to have it — can't imagine that nano-glass and 8TB storage options won't be offered — I wish Apple would hurry up.
What's next for the iMac Pro?

 

[warp9]

I just read somewhere that the nano glass creates a soft filter on the webcam feed. Can anyone verify this?

 

[mikehalloran]

Not heard of nor experienced that.

 

[Freida]

lol, why? the cutout is clear glass

I just read somewhere that the nano glass creates a soft filter on the webcam feed. Can anyone verify this?

 

[Nicole1980]

Not at all. Text is clear and sharp. Never seen better text. I’m a software developer and very picky about text. That’s the main thing I look for in displays.

the big problem with the nano texture glass imo is the fact that it can only be cleaned with apples special DRY cloth or you will DAMAGE it.
There have been countless times with standard glass where an errant sneeze or some other bit of dried liquid drop got on my screens and the ONLY way to get it off was with a soft DAMP cloth.
John Siracusa, the well known tech podcaster - who got the pro display xdr - recommends to avoid the nano texture for that very reason.
It may have less glare in some situations, but that first time the delicate nano texture gets a bit of stuff on it that cant be cleaned with a dry cloth, or you damage it, all the sudden that expensive option will feel like a horrible purchase.

 

[bigcat]

It may have less glare in some situations

lol

 

[Nicole1980]

lol

so for less glare, you're willing to have a screen that's as fragile as a soap bubble in a windstorm?

P.S. in a darker room, the regular screen has virtually no reflections. I would say that counts as 'some situations'. Wouldn't you?

 

[uller6]

Smart decision. I think a lot of people who bought the iMac 2020 wish they got the IMP instead. Looks like it'll go down in history as the best Intel iMac.

I LOVE my baseline iMac Pro. Best Mac ever, in my opinion. I have a 2019 5k iMac on my desk at work and the iMac Pro is a better machine in every way.

 

[Freida]

bigcat was laughing at your nonsensical statement. There is nO: "it MAY have less glare in some situations"!
The nano HAS less glare.
That is what was funny.

so for less glare, you're willing to have a screen that's as fragile as a soap bubble in a windstorm?

P.S. in a darker room, the regular screen has virtually no reflections. I would say that counts as 'some situations'. Wouldn't you?

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

Wow. I thought the feature would not be a big deal. It’s totally worth it. Zero reflections. I only see what’s on the screen. I can’t even look at my secondary display now due to how bad it is with reflecting everything around and behind me.

Other than the $$$6K Apple XDR, is there any other display on the market with this feature?

A piece of black cardboard did the trick for me, and cost a lot less than $500.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

Smart decision. I think a lot of people who bought the iMac 2020 wish they got the IMP instead. Looks like it'll go down in history as the best Intel iMac.

Where do you obtain this information? The 2020 iMac is superior to the iMac Pro in every metric, core for core. The only exception is that iMac Pro has dual thunderbolt 3 buses. That's literally the only advantage if you don't need more than 10 cores. 90% of pro users don't need more than 8.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

My question is still unanswered. Why would anyone do precision AV or graphics on a consumer grate iMac? iMac Pros and Mac Pros exist for that kind of heavy lifting.

Because a supermajority (at least) of pro users don't need more than 8 or 10 cores. In that realm, the 2020 iMac leaves the iMac Pro and the Mac Pro as smears on the road. The 2020 iMac has a faster GPU, faster CPU core-for-core, equivalent T2 chip, ad nauseam. The only advantage to iMac Pro is dual TB3 buses. The Mac Pro is already outdated.

Pros who buy 2020 iMacs are smart because they are spending many thousands of dollars less, which is better spent on other gear. In fact, the best decision would be to put the saved money into TSLA stock. That will buy you at least 2-3 future iMacs on the return while not sacrificing any speed or performance.

 

[flowave]

Funny thing for me is I've been using matte screens (3 EIZO/2 NEC) all the time for the past decade but I actually prefer a non-nano version when it comes to Apple displays. I tried XDR with nano-texture and couldn't bear the fuzziness/smudge feeling it presents. This is truly a YMMV thing. People used to love matte screen might find the standard version offers more clarity while for those who never tried a matte screen before will fall for the glare reduction that a nano-texture could offer and live with clarity tradeoffs.

There's a definite difference in sharpness. I know because I returned the Nano-texture I got after I compared it to my current 2014 Retina 27" iMac - yes a 6 year old iMac had a sharper screen than the 2020 Nano-texture. If someone bought one and don't notice a difference, it's probably because they didn't compare it against the glossy one.

It's not just a matter of text - photos also lose sharpness - it essentially downgrades your 5K display to a 4K one... a compromise I wasn't willing to make.

It's unfortunate, since the Nano texture is great otherwise, but for me paying an additional $500 to get a resolution downgrade makes no sense to me.

What really annoys me is that all the Youtube reviewers never really talk about it. To me it's intolerable - I'm really picky about sharpness, and the nano-texture just ruins it. I'm glad Apple has a great returns policy, but it was a pain to drag a 27" iMac to FedEx for returns.

I agree. I was so excited to get one, but it does not go well with 5k display. I used matte screen all my life and have seen better matte finishes. Nano finis creates rainbow effect when seen close, so the colour does not feel uniform and resolution is not sharp. It almost looks like seeing non-retina matte screen.
It looks blurrier than glossy one for sure.

Another issue coming from 32" is 27" is just too small for 2020. The text feels small and less immersive when watching videos. I am gonna wait for 32" iMac.

 

[iDomDotCom]

I agree. I was so excited to get one, but it does not go well with 5k display. I used matte screen all my life and have seen better matte finishes. Nano finis creates rainbow effect when seen close, so the colour does not feel uniform and resolution is not sharp. It almost looks like seeing non-retina matte screen.
It looks blurrier than glossy one for sure.

Another issue coming from 32" is 27" is just too small for 2020. The text feels small and less immersive when watching videos. I am gonna wait for 32" iMac.

I literally agree with every word of this post. Bonjour!

 

[mikehalloran]

Because a supermajority (at least) of pro users don't need more than 8 or 10 cores. In that realm, the 2020 iMac leaves the iMac Pro and the Mac Pro as smears on the road. The 2020 iMac has a faster GPU, faster CPU core-for-core, equivalent T2 chip, ad nauseam. The only advantage to iMac Pro is dual TB3 buses. The Mac Pro is already outdated.

Pros who buy 2020 iMacs are smart because they are spending many thousands of dollars less, which is better spent on other gear. In fact, the best decision would be to put the saved money into TSLA stock. That will buy you at least 2-3 future iMacs on the return while not sacrificing any speed or performance.

Where do you obtain this information? The 2020 iMac is superior to the iMac Pro in every metric, core for core. The only exception is that iMac Pro has dual thunderbolt 3 buses. That's literally the only advantage if you don't need more than 10 cores. 90% of pro users don't need more than 8.

Nice to see an opinion not hindered by knowledge and hands on experience with both products side by side.

Your 10% is a made up number but I'm one of those who falls into it, I suppose.

Bottom line. A faster Mac makes me more money. It's a business decision. My deliverables and billings have increased since I traded up to an 18 core and that's all that matters. I would have lost money buying the 2020 for myself but it's perfect for my wife's needs.

So keep up your guessing games and on high pronouncements about things you don't really know. If it makes you happy…

I'll stick to testing for myself and forming my own opinions based on fact, thank you.

 

[Nicole1980]

bigcat was laughing at your nonsensical statement. There is nO: "it MAY have less glare in some situations"!
The nano HAS less glare.
That is what was funny.

Fair enough. I was fairly sloppy in my wording on that one. My excuse is that it was right after I woke up and I had a major hangover.

I'll try to better. For you, sweetie.

 

[Freida]

Lol, troll comparing 10 core vs 18 core. Of course for a specific tasks 18 cores will be better but that was not the point. Your needs are different so enjoy your iMac Pro. If I had needs like yours I would get Mac Pro as I would be better off (especially in the future) but you just want to come here and flex your muscles to people that talked about something a bit different. Whats the point in that? Just leave it and enjoy your iMac Pro. Simple as that

Nice to see an opinion not hindered by knowledge and hands on experience with both products side by side.

Your 10% is a made up number but I'm one of those who falls into it, I suppose.

Bottom line. A faster Mac makes me more money. It's a business decision. My deliverables and billings have increased since I traded up to an 18 core and that's all that matters. I would have lost money buying the 2020 for myself but it's perfect for my wife's needs.

So keep up your guessing games and on high pronouncements about things you don't really know. If it makes you happy…

I'll stick to testing for myself and forming my own opinions based on fact, thank you.

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Fair enough. I was fairly sloppy in my wording on that one. My excuse is that it was right after I woke up and I had a major hangover.

I'll try to better. For you, sweetie.

 

[theSeb]

Yea, you've missed the point of that ridiculous exchange. Of course, the 2020 iMac can do graphics. I wasn't the one who said it couldn't.

He was arguing that he returned it because it couldn't do precision high end graphics — and that's different. My question is still unanswered — why would anyone buy a consumer machine for that task?

Because the consumer 2020 iMac is faster than the iMac pro in nearly everything