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iPhone X Nearly 6 months in, the iPhone X isn't that successful
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I would say that’s a bit drastic and unnecessary. There still a lot of good discussion and speculation about the future of the iPhone X, even from when this thread was first started back around mid-March. Nonetheless, it shows from where the iPhone X was speculated a failure until where it is now, it’s more of a timeline to show it does indeed have a Market.
So why do you believe the other analysts that say iPhone X is losing sales but not this analyst that says it is the number one phone? Personally, I ignore both and listen to Tim Cook who is the CEO.
I didn’t say I didn’t but accused others of doing so, although I highly highly doubt the X was the best selling smartphone worldwide! I would see them everywhere if that was the case! The other analysts took reports from the supply chain, they didn’t guess. That also plays a part in it as the manufactures don’t give bad news for fun.
As for Cook, he uses clever language. Like all CEOs.
I tend to agree with him that this is perhaps the first major iPhone release where I have seen so few and so long after launch. It’s been over 6 months now and I’ve only seen 2! I think that’s quite shocking for the UK which has always been the iPhones largest European market. I do observe the phones people are using and the vertical rear camera and notch do stand out. One of the two I have seen was in a pub in Bristol and it immediately caught my eye due to the camera and the obvious notch.
When the iPhone 5 and 6 came out it was difficult to go anywhere with spotting a good few. Compare that to the X and we have had quite a few threads now asking if any have been seen? I don’t see why we should be surprised though as it’s a high end product that is not targeted at mainstream users. Apple have 7 other models that appeal to people who just want an iPhone without paying £60 to £150 a month for the privilege.
When the iPhone 5 and 6 came out it was difficult to go anywhere with spotting a good few. Compare that to the X and we have had quite a few threads now asking if any have been seen? I don’t see why we should be surprised though as it’s a high end product that is not targeted at mainstream users. Apple have 7 other models that appeal to people who just want an iPhone without paying £60 to £150 a month for the privilege.
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So what's the "clever language" that's being used, especially in relation to a few actual quotes from Tim Cook that were brought up earlier?
Regarding the claim that the iPhone X is the best selling smartphone model for Q1-2018 ...
So Apple sold 52 million iPhones in the CY Q1-18. They sell 8 different models of iPhone. Assuming that Cook is not lying about the X being the best selling iPhone for every week of the quarter, that means that they sold, at a minimum, 6.5 million iPhone X.
Even at that (worst case), I can believe that it was the best selling individual model in the quarter. Aside from Samsung, who can sell 6.5 million of any single model in a quarter. The low end Android sector is filled with lots of small vendors that are selling small batches, so it's not them. Samsung splits their phone models into dozens of individual model numbers, so it's not them.
Apple probably sold somewhere around the number that SA indicated. If they didn't hit the exact number, it's probably pretty close.
Incidentally, if Samsung wanted to take the mantle of the best selling individual model, they could easily do it. They can just roll up one of their mid-tier models all under a single model name/design. It would be easy to do ... I surmise they don't do it because it's trivial and it would look bad that their flagships are being outsold by a mid-tier phone.
Either way, Apple sold a lot of iPhone X and the title of best selling model doesn't really mean much.
So Apple sold 52 million iPhones in the CY Q1-18. They sell 8 different models of iPhone. Assuming that Cook is not lying about the X being the best selling iPhone for every week of the quarter, that means that they sold, at a minimum, 6.5 million iPhone X.
Even at that (worst case), I can believe that it was the best selling individual model in the quarter. Aside from Samsung, who can sell 6.5 million of any single model in a quarter. The low end Android sector is filled with lots of small vendors that are selling small batches, so it's not them. Samsung splits their phone models into dozens of individual model numbers, so it's not them.
Apple probably sold somewhere around the number that SA indicated. If they didn't hit the exact number, it's probably pretty close.
Incidentally, if Samsung wanted to take the mantle of the best selling individual model, they could easily do it. They can just roll up one of their mid-tier models all under a single model name/design. It would be easy to do ... I surmise they don't do it because it's trivial and it would look bad that their flagships are being outsold by a mid-tier phone.
Either way, Apple sold a lot of iPhone X and the title of best selling model doesn't really mean much.
Best selling is only for a certain period of time. So the x might have sold 35 million between November and March which is more than any other phone sold in that period. However as other phones have been out for a lot longer they will have sold a lot more in total. Hence why you see them more.
Doesn't really seem there's really much cleverness or guessing that would be involved in fairly straightforward quotes from him mentioned earlier at https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...that-successful.2110960/page-20#post-26034487
Well considering my last reply to you has now also been deleted, no doubt this one will follow, I’m outta this thread. I have made my reasons clear in the other posts so you best read those on th previous pages.
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Still don’t buy it, far more reports claiming the opposite, see my previous posts regarding that.
Well, I can't really see much in the way of replying to those particular quotes that I've brought up before. But if there isn't a willingness to discuss, I guess there isn't much to say beyond that.
Surely when the contributors to this thread are talking about having not seen many X’s in parts of the US and the wider world, they mean comparatively at this point in the sales cycle (so 8 months after product announcement)?
The war is over and the good guys won.
Long live the wealthy. Long live the iPhone X.
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It means that the majority of the people posting are college students and starving artists who don’t interact with the executive class who are the target demographic for Apple’s flagship smartphone.
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This.
And we should create a thread for all the haters and non-believers to apologize to those of us (me) who since October said the iPhone X would be a tremendous success and the best selling iPhone.
Many of you are in this thread. So apologize. Let’s go.
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I never thought I would say this but have missed your posts. The humor and pretensions in them really does help spice up the regular humdrum postings in threads about the iPhone X.
I’ve seen you make similar posts to this before over the years and it is simply not true.
Some of us have been brought up so that no matter how much financial wealth we may or may not have, we can still see the value in things.
I myself have been in the fortunate position to be able to buy the top flagship iPhone for every one I have owned since the iPhone 3G.
The iPhone X was the first one that didn’t seem like value to me, so I didn’t purchase it.
If the flagship prices stay the same for this year‘s models, then I’ll decide to either bite the bullet and buy one anyway (highly, highly unlikely) or stick to my principles and change approach to either buy last year’s model at a discount, or another from the range which I personally believe offers better value.
Just because you do not see a lot of iPhone X in circulation doesn’t mean that the iPhone X is not the best selling iPhone for the past two quarters. What you see and not see is anecdotal evidence. What Apple reports is statistical evidence. Statistical evidence is far superior to the personal experience. If I bought a Toyota Corolla and had a lemon doesn’t mean that the majority of Corollas made are lemons. It just mean that I had crappy luck and bought a lemon, because reliability statistics show that the Corolla is reliable.
I think the X was more popular in America with rumours suggesting 40% of sales have been there so far. It’s not surprising they are not seen a lot in Western Europe.
I think most Corollas here would be lemons now as the newest you’d see on the roads in Europe would be about 13 years old now lol. We have the Auris here, good car I’ve owned one
Thats Basically what I was saying earlier in another post. Is that I think the common misconception is if that somebody doesn’t see something, it must not exist or not be popular. When the reality is, there are so many factors into why we don’t see the X. What I don’t think others think about, is that Apple manufactures thousands of iPhone X’s every single day and sells thousands of iPhone X’s across the world, so they do sell and they are out there, it’s just a matter of when and where someone sees one.
I'm not a tech analyst or anything, but I know I stopped upgrading annually when the Service providers stopped financing phones in the price of service. I now have to outright BUY a phone to maintain my service at same price as when I was getting a phone for 99 bucks. If they were still financing an iPhone X for 2 years with service at the same price points or even me paying a couple hundred more for the initial payment, I'd certainly upgrade more often. Nowadays I'm on a 3-4 year cycle myself. This started with the iPhone 6 model. I did go ahead and upgrade to the iPhone 8 after 3 years with the 6. and may upgrade my wife this year when the new phones come out, but I won't be doing it every time the new model comes out and pay the full service price. Since the iPhone 6 was released, all the major providers went to a Service price (which didn't go down with no phone payment attached to it), and an additional price for the entire price of the new phone financed over whatever program you decided on. I may go into the Annual upgrade program next year to lower my overall cost of keeping a new phone though.
This all plays into this discussion in a way I didn't;t read before now, so thought it was worth mentioning and giving my opinion. It could be a lot of folks are not happy with the lack of compensation for the "Buy the phone and pay premium price for service still", keeping them home another year or so. Never know what can be a contributor to this last year's lack of "lining" up so much... but I never once saw a line anywhere I went to buy an iPhone... In the past there were lines for WEEKS. It could also be more people (like myself) order online and go pick up or have it shipped to their home. Perceptions will be affected by lack of lines, but actual numbers are really not.
This all plays into this discussion in a way I didn't;t read before now, so thought it was worth mentioning and giving my opinion. It could be a lot of folks are not happy with the lack of compensation for the "Buy the phone and pay premium price for service still", keeping them home another year or so. Never know what can be a contributor to this last year's lack of "lining" up so much... but I never once saw a line anywhere I went to buy an iPhone... In the past there were lines for WEEKS. It could also be more people (like myself) order online and go pick up or have it shipped to their home. Perceptions will be affected by lack of lines, but actual numbers are really not.
Just curious. Are you on an old unlimited data plan with Verizon or AT&T? For most folks, the shared data plans work out to be a better deal than the previous individual data plans, even when paying full price for the phone.
I am on the old original ATT unlimited plan, both phones sharing an account. The Added data plan was only available "per phone" when we got the second one. Lately I am seeing the possibility that things are changing to be more friendly to multi-phone accounts if sharing data plans... but so far my old pan with all that I pay still comes it within a few dollars either way, so I just leave it with the Original because once you opt out... you don't get to return to the old plan ever. Some people have been paying upward of $1000 to BUY and transfer those plans to their accounts due to their crazy usage... It is possible (or at least has been) to sell the old plan to someone if they are willing to and smart enough to jump through all the right hoops to get it. Last time I checked it was still a thing. But that's been over a year since checked... so who knows. I am guessing there's some legal language that makes it illegal for ATT to throttle back or any other limitation on the original unlimited plan... Can't remember all the specifics.
I thought as much. For folks still clinging onto the old original unlimited data plans, the subsidized phone model was much better than the current model of buying/leasing at full price. Both AT&T and Verizon have been trying for years to get folks like you off of that plan.
For the majority of folks on a Shared Data type plan, the new model is actually a better deal than the subsidized model. Here's my situation with AT&T.
- My 1st smartphone plan was when the iPhone5 was brand new. I had an old 700 minute plan that we shared between 2 iPhones. We paid $200 each for the iPhones. Each line had 3GB of data and we had an unlimited family text plan.
- They offered me a plan switch (MobileShare) where we get 10GB to share (with rollover), unlimited talk/text. But no longer get the subsidized phones.
- We ended up paying less per month because the access fee was $15/mo per phone (vs $40). That came out to be $600 for a 24-month period for each phone. The subsidies back then was about $400 per phone.
- Lastly, I didn't feel obligated to upgrade every two years to maximize the subsidy. I used the savings to go with the higher end model (64GB vs 16GB) and still made out better.
I think my scenario is more typical these days. However, I will concede that the big2 favor shared plans over the old/unlimited and single people.
In Terms of features, I would say you are wrong. The iPhone X is alone with Face ID, gesture controls, OLED display and form factor is considerably much different than the iPhone 8. Not sure how you’re factoring “Not much.”