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iPhone X Nearly 6 months in, the iPhone X isn't that successful
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You stated in a post just before this one that Cook cannot, “sound off” well the same applies to the spokespeople of their suppliers who have told investors that Apple has significantly reduced orders for the next 2 quarters.
Tim Cook was very careful with his wording when he described the X as the best selling so far and he made absolutely no future predictions about it which is a little odd considering it remains their flagship until September.
The X had a good first quarter and a lesser, although still better than expected, 2nd quarter.
Based upon what the supply chain are telling us about component order reductions, the 3rd and 4th quarters will see a steeper drop off than we’ve seen for prior flagships.
This doesn’t surprise me at all as I’ve always thought it’s priced too high for mass adoption.
Apple overestimated what price point they could get away with and have had to reduce their forecasts.
The suppliers have no reason to give their investors bad news.
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But the claims of lack of success in this thread have been about iPhone X so far, not the future.
That’s a decent point.
I was looking at where the X appears it’s going to end up overall compared to previous flagships.
Ah, after the initial topic is shot down by reports from Apple, it now must be the second half of the product’s lifetime where it will fail.
I’m not the OP, although I think there was widespread confusion over the timing of the component order reductions suppliers are talking about amongst the press, the analysts and here on the forum.
Looking at it in isolation the X did perform very well. Best selling model in apple line up etc.
In the bigger picture, imo it did not perform. X is a major review of iPhone and by right it should help boost Apple market share (or at least regain share it lost over the years) but it didn't do much of that.
X performance was mediocre to say the least compared to last major update when apple released the big screen iPhone 6. At that time apple snatched big share even with the relative very expensive price compared to other phones (similar to X pricing compared to others now)
Btw: didn't analysts predicted X to sell 40-50 mil Q1 quarter before it was released?
In the bigger picture, imo it did not perform. X is a major review of iPhone and by right it should help boost Apple market share (or at least regain share it lost over the years) but it didn't do much of that.
X performance was mediocre to say the least compared to last major update when apple released the big screen iPhone 6. At that time apple snatched big share even with the relative very expensive price compared to other phones (similar to X pricing compared to others now)
Btw: didn't analysts predicted X to sell 40-50 mil Q1 quarter before it was released?
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Not sure why there would be much of an expectation of some serious market share change at this time in the industry. The X wasn't expected to be something totally revolutionary, as far as I can see, like the original iPhone was when it came out, or even like the iPad when that came out, especially not at this point in time when various competitors are really competing, iPhones and other phones are better and lasting longer with technology being somewhat more mature, and when Apple themselves put out other new models at the same time that people would also be getting.
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While I'm not even sure about that, even that is really more along the lines of evolutionary at best these days.
On one hand we can’t trust analysts and on the other we can? If those figures were to be trusted it does show that neither model really dominated though, it’s a very watered down line up where they’ve all taken their share of the iPhone market. It’s no wonder 2017 iPhones are few and far between in public.
I Would say the bolded in your post is more of a broad generalization. Success is usually measured by a metric of some form or another and how it was achieved. You _can’t_just say the iPhone X can be measured ‘However you want. ‘
Indeed and Apple has never made clear what there intentions were with the X. It’s sold better than expected for its niche market I’d say and Apple are continuing to make huge sums of money due to the popularity of their products and heavy markups.
I don’t think the X was ever intended to capture the mainstream market and indeed hasn’t, but it obviously has appeal to part of the market. I just think Apple need to remember most of their customers are buying the 6S, 7 and 8 variants combined so there is scope there to give these consumers something to be excited about this year as well as being proud of their flagship. Minimal revisions of old designs is getting a bit long in the tooth in 2018.
How many phones has a phone like this though? maybe the china built phones. Nobody else has no chin in most markets
Phone sales decline over time? You don’t say. I can’t think of a phone that increased in sales as it got older. This is tech we are talking about.
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The iPhone X is the best selling iPhone of all time in units sold by this point in its life. So what are you even talking about?
It outsold every other iPhone? Ok, it could have sold 1 more then each other iPhone individually yet the 8 and 8 Plus combined could be double the X sales meaning it isn’t as popular Cooks clever wording claimed.
And as for your investor, well he’s now invested in a company being forced to pay 12 billion in back taxes to Ireland under EU law which they will lose. And a company being investigated by various agencies and groups around the world world for mis selling warranties and the throttlegate issue which is far from over.
That tells me he just looks at the money he can make and couldn’t really care less which company it is he makes it from..
And hence my reply, but considering all the other reports on it:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-01/iphone-x-was-supposed-to-start-oled-boom-it-s-not-working-out
http://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/9to5mac.com/2018/01/29/iphone-x-sales-production/amp/
http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Apple-to-halve-iPhone-X-production-volume-in-1Q
http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-to-curtail-iphone-x-production-in-the-face-of-weak-demand-1517312098
And whilst the article I posted to does not claim’TSMC claims Apple cuts orders’
This link goes more towards that taking quotes from what they said at their earnings call:
http://asia.nikkei.com/Asia300/TSMC-cuts-2018-sales-target-on-weak-iPhone-demand
Their is s lot of smoke....
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Habana oh you mean THIS ANALYSTS REPORT on 16 million sold:
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/04/iphone-x-worlds-top-selling-smartphone-1q18/
If you believe this analysts guess, they why do you refuse to believe the other analysts and reports on X production? Or is it just believing the ones that suit your argument?
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That’s why we have the rumoured cheaper 6.1” LCD version with cut down specs, which will be a shame if you don’t like big phones as you’ll need to find that grand for the 5.8” model.
Let’s hope for a new SE though.
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That’s a hell of a claim, have you got proof of that? The iPhone 5 and 6 has huge popularity when realised and I don’t believe the X can possibly compete at double the price. It may have made the most profit for Apple but it’s one of 8 devices currently in their line up and total sales are down on even a year ago and that’s with more models available.
The iPhone X would need to have sold around 90m units by this point to be the single best selling model in their history. Analysts are suggesting 16m for this last quarter. I think you’re way off.
Yeah I’m not quite sure about it being the best selling iPhone of all time. I think it’s only the best selling from nov until the end of March.
I think the 6 plus was the best selling phone of all time? given the change in size...unless i was mistaken
I think so too. It might have been the plateau of the mobile platform for quite a while.
Its Way too early to determine if iPhone X is the ‘best selling iPhone of all time’, given it is ‘The worlds top selling iPhone’ according to Apple. It’s only been available for six months iup to this current point, which the most relevant results I believe are namely positive, also given there are variables what determines to be the ‘best selling iPhone of all time’ other than just numbers (I.e Price, consumer feedback,). As of right now, I think Apple just wants the success of the iPhone X to show the Market it has potential given their investment with Face ID and the iPhone X doesn’t have to be everyone’s first choice of a phone, but; if one wants the latest features and biometric security, the iPhone X would be the obvious choice.
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You’re out of touch. Go back a few years, walk into an Apple store and the choice was this years model or last year’s model at a lowered price. Walk in now and you have 2015’s iPhone still on sale nearly three years later. The pace of development has slowed and mass market consumers are not seeing enough differentiation between the flagship and the budget older model to part with the extra cash. Sales of all iPhone models will increase over time as their price point falls into the range that most people consider reasonable.
Oh, is it a game? Whoopeeee I WIN!!!!!!!
From the top of the article YOU linked to..
iPhone X was the world's most popular smartphone for the second consecutive quarter, according to research firm Strategy Analytics.
It is a pure guess that it is the most popular selling iPhone so please don’t present it as a fact spoken by Apple. It is just an analysts guess, like the ones who claim the iPhone X component orders have been slashed.
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I take it you are being sarcastic as that is clearly not the point I was making.