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I don't use cases. If you ever find the opportunity to, hold a 12 Pro Max and 13 Pro Max side by side. It's much more apparent than the numbers would suggest. It's also the balance of the device that feels odd this time around. It's weird to use in bed or in any relaxed position because it's become very top heavy or something, can't put my finger on exactly what has changed here. I think simply moving away from stainless steel would help a lot with overall weight.

And surely they can't get heavier from here, right? XS Max was 208g, 11 Pro Max was 225g, 12 Pro Max 228g, 13 Pro Max 240g. I think we have to hit a plateau at some point and start improving on this. At least the Pro and Pro Max are at feature parity now, though. Can always step down to the smaller size I suppose.
I have both and, if they were both at room temp, I doubt I’d be able to tell the difference. BUT, I’m totally willing to accept that there are those that are far more sensitive to mass than I am.

It’d be interesting to see weight distribution analysis of the two compared. If it ends up being that 10 grams are spread evenly over the entire size of the device, then that would be less likely to be detected than, say, putting two nickels in one spot. For most folks, it’s very likely a non-event. And, seeing how some of those folks go on to put on cases that weigh 80 grams or even more, unfortunately, I’d say that they CAN get heavier. Apple likely sees it as, “If the delta of mass increase is a small percentage of an average case mass, most people won’t notice”.
 
Now that would be sweet to see in an iPhone, probably more than Apple wants to spend on a case though.
“Wireless charging” is on the list of must have features these days. Aluminum backed phones likely won’t cut it. Glass or some kind of Bulk Metallic Glass will likely be all we get in the future.
 
I prefer some weight to my phone. I have 13 mini and 13 pro. I love the weight of 13 pro. 13 mini is a bit lighter for my taste.

I have not tried 13 pro max, so I can't comment on that.

With regards to wanting lighter phones, I think iPhone SE's will probably fit your preference better.
 
I don’t get people that say they like a heavy feel because it’s premium. My Breitling is titanium and feels much better than a stainless watch. To me light weight is premium. It requires more design. Frankly the first thing I do is get an apple case for my phone. I don’t tend to care what it’s made of. If they made the 13mini with a plastic back I’d be all over it. Carbon fiber that can hold charge is the next big thing. Then solid state glass batteries.
I think it's because heavier can feel more "solid". My old glass iPhone 4s felt more substantial than my aluminum iPod touch. I don't mind having something lighter though, especially now with these larger devices.
 
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I still love the 12 mini. It’s so light that sometimes I forget it’s in my pocket and have a mini panic. Everyone who has felt it at first asks “why so small,” but then they are impressed. Several have gotten the 12/13 mini after seeing mine.
 
I don't use cases. If you ever find the opportunity to, hold a 12 Pro Max and 13 Pro Max side by side. It's much more apparent than the numbers would suggest. It's also the balance of the device that feels odd this time around. It's weird to use in bed or in any relaxed position because it's become very top heavy or something, can't put my finger on exactly what has changed here. I think simply moving away from stainless steel would help a lot with overall weight.

And surely they can't get heavier from here, right? XS Max was 208g, 11 Pro Max was 225g, 12 Pro Max 228g, 13 Pro Max 240g. I think we have to hit a plateau at some point and start improving on this. At least the Pro and Pro Max are at feature parity now, though. Can always step down to the smaller size I suppose.
240g? That’s almost a quarter kilogram. Imagine 4 phones weighing as much as a bag of sugar.
 
Oh really. Why? Why not go back and make those home phones that you can carry with you. Like in the late 80’s. Who likes heavier mobile phones?! Weird. The magic word is MOBILE. Mobile anything should be as light as possible but strong too. If Apple makes it with all aluminium then it shd be lighter. And take a little less profit then more people can buy their phones.
Once again, you’re talking about the iPhone 12 and 13. The only major downside with them compared to your X is that they have an Ultra Wide camera instead of a 2x Zoom one.
Apart from that they are lighter, faster, have more capabilities and better runtime. Stop asking for something that already exists. Or do you can’t stand the thought of not having a „Pro“ branded device? Because that’s what it seems like.
 
When I say as light as aluminum, I mean the devices will become lighter. It's sure to be lighter than steel. Otherwise, of course, the titanium case will never be as light as aluminum.
Machining can have a big impact on weight when choosing different metals.

Thickness of the outside shell May not have to be as thick as the Pro models use of steel, also compression May have been used in the steel case May not be required for the titanium foretold to be used.

Moreover it could be an alloy with a little bit of titanium (TiBook kinda use).
 
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The battery is the majority of the weight. To make a significantly lighter iPhone, they'd need to reduce "run time." I don't think anyone wants a shorter lasting battery....
No we don’t. Not an ideal solution to reduce run time.

Apple has made strides to designing ever more efficient chips working with TSMC and ideally THAT is the main goal:

Smaller SoC dies,
With shorter internal interconnect paths which reduce electrical running lessens power drain and heat,
Means less electricity to push for longer interconnect paths.
Implement vapour chambers.

Make iOS more efficient - strange that on home wifi not using headphones or playing music or audio, just using mail (2 accounts connected) open with news open and typing in safari i on these boards and with a case on my 12 mini and yet I can feel heat on the back and by volume keys of my iPhone.

I’m less inclined to chip isn’t efficient but more iOS or just the thinness of our phones? Hmm.
 
Just personal preference. I'm not really into a ~$1000-$1600 device being so light that it could easily be tossed about.

Also, my Pixel 3a XL is about the same size as my 6s+ and my 11 Pro Max, but is much lighter.

Guess which phone I think feels more premium?

Hint: the Pixel was about $400.
Premium comes with a price. The price isn’t just what you pay up front.

A phone with lighter mass when tossed or dropped has less impact than one with higher mass.
 
I don't use cases. If you ever find the opportunity to, hold a 12 Pro Max and 13 Pro Max side by side. It's much more apparent than the numbers would suggest. It's also the balance of the device that feels odd this time around. It's weird to use in bed or in any relaxed position because it's become very top heavy or something, can't put my finger on exactly what has changed here. I think simply moving away from stainless steel would help a lot with overall weight.

And surely they can't get heavier from here, right? XS Max was 208g, 11 Pro Max was 225g, 12 Pro Max 228g, 13 Pro Max 240g. I think we have to hit a plateau at some point and start improving on this. At least the Pro and Pro Max are at feature parity now, though. Can always step down to the smaller size I suppose.

Most likely it’s the balance or the weight within the two differ. That would drastically affect one’s perception of heavier weight feel.

Also we’re holding our phones by hands but the weight is being suspended by our wrists! When was the last time we all gave our wrists exercises?

Ps: guys, not THAT exercise as the angle of holding a phone with our wrists is different that the, um, personal, 1-on-1, private wrist motion ?
 
Agree that aluminum can be every bit as premium as stainless or some other fancy steel. I think HTC made a phone back in the day that was a one piece 7075 aluminum case. Now that would be sweet to see in an iPhone, probably more than Apple wants to spend on a case though.
That was the htc M7. Great design felt great in the hand. Android ruined it lol
 
Make iOS more efficient - strange that on home wifi not using headphones or playing music or audio, just using mail (2 accounts connected) open with news open and typing in safari i on these boards and with a case on my 12 mini and yet I can feel heat on the back and by volume keys of my iPhone.
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Until battery tech has another major breakthrough or the laws of physics change, there’s not a whole lot that can be done. If you want the phone to keep up with you, you need processing and big batteries.

My 13 Pro Max is heavy (for a phone) but that’s a very minor trade-off for how thin, sleek, and powerful it is. And I’ve already taken it on several overnight trips where a charger wasn’t even necessary.
 
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Premium comes with a price. The price isn’t just what you pay up front.

A phone with lighter mass when tossed or dropped has less impact than one with higher mass.
That's true, but if I'm in a crowd and my 'lighter' phone gets knocked out of my hand because of jostling and goes flying, recovery might be a problem even if it suffers no damage.

Conversely, I dropped my HTC Touch Pro from chest height onto a concrete sidewalk. This phone (I still have one) is heavy. It landed face-down and when I went to pick it up I managed to kick it instead which sent it skidding along the concrete a good 15-20 feet. Other than some slight scuffing on the edges the phone was fine. It was still working when I gave it up to a person who needed it a few years later.
 
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MR has a lot of Javascript that runs continuously in the background. If you shut off the rich text editor and learn to tag bold and italic and so on instead then battery life should increase. It takes CPU power to process all that JS, and CPU power means a hit on the battery.
 
That's true, but if I'm in a crowd and my 'lighter' phone gets knocked out of my hand because of jostling and goes flying, recovery might be a problem even if it suffers no damage.

Conversely, I dropped my HTC Touch Pro from chest height onto a concrete sidewalk. This phone (I still have one) is heavy. It landed face-down and when I went to pick it up I managed to kick it instead which sent it skidding along the concrete a good 15-20 feet. Other than some slight scuffing on the edges the phone was fine. It was still working when I gave it up to a person who needed it a few years later.

What do you mean by “recovery”? I’m not sure I understand what you mean.

Great you were able to still use your HTC, if performance was the same and no plastics as a shell if all other componentes internally the same I’d rather a lighter metal used. We agree to disagree but I’m sure our points are both valid.
 
What do you mean by “recovery”? I’m not sure I understand what you mean.

Great you were able to still use your HTC, if performance was the same and no plastics as a shell if all other componentes internally the same I’d rather a lighter metal used. We agree to disagree but I’m sure our points are both valid.
Recovery - getting your phone back.

If you're on a crowded street and someone sends your phone flying out of your hand, where does it go? If you can in fact actually see that it goes somewhere - say the middle of the street in traffic, getting your phone back (recovery) might be a bit of a problem.

Granted, this may be an extreme case, but I've seen things knocked out of people's hands before (not necessarily phones) that landed a fair distance away.

Yeah the Touch Pro was/is a tank. It took a lot of abuse and just kept working. Despite all the other problems I had with it, it was at least dependable.
 
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Yeah unfortunately I don’t have that amount of money to spend on a mobile phone that’s mostly used for calls, texting and social media. At least Apple are going towards lighter iPhones. Like you said with the 13 mini. But it’s way too expensive for most people. If Apple wants to increase sales they have to cut their profit targets a little and make the new iPhones a little cheaper. In fact they may make more money by selling more iPhones at a reduced price.
Since they currently take 75% of all profits from the ENTIRE PHONE MARKET you'll understand why they don't need your advice LOL.
 
Since they currently take 75% of all profits from the ENTIRE PHONE MARKET you'll understand why they don't need your advice LOL.
Firstly you’re wrong with your 75%. I have the correct answer here

Market share of Apple iPhone smartphone sales worldwide 2007-2021​

Published by S. O'Dea, Feb 10, 2022
Apple claimed a 23.4 percent share of the market in the fourth quarter of 2021, an increase from the previous quarter. Apple's long time competitor, Samsung, followed in second place with a market share of 19 percent. End..
Well that’s Apple’s problem, if Apple doesn’t listen to its customers then it’s to their disadvantage. I know they try to listen to customers with their many surveys after we interact with them. So your answer is biased maybe due to blind support for Apple.. Yes I like them too but I won’t be like a sports fan of them..
 
Firstly you’re wrong with your 75%. I have the correct answer here

Market share of Apple iPhone smartphone sales worldwide 2007-2021​

Published by S. O'Dea, Feb 10, 2022
Apple claimed a 23.4 percent share of the market in the fourth quarter of 2021, an increase from the previous quarter. Apple's long time competitor, Samsung, followed in second place with a market share of 19 percent. End..
Well that’s Apple’s problem, if Apple doesn’t listen to its customers then it’s to their disadvantage. I know they try to listen to customers with their many surveys after we interact with them. So your answer is biased maybe due to blind support for Apple.. Yes I like them too but I won’t be like a sports fan of them..
market share and profit share are two different functions.
 
Firstly you’re wrong with your 75%. I have the correct answer here

Market share of Apple iPhone smartphone sales worldwide 2007-2021​

Published by S. O'Dea, Feb 10, 2022
Apple claimed a 23.4 percent share of the market in the fourth quarter of 2021, an increase from the previous quarter. Apple's long time competitor, Samsung, followed in second place with a market share of 19 percent. End..
Well that’s Apple’s problem, if Apple doesn’t listen to its customers then it’s to their disadvantage. I know they try to listen to customers with their many surveys after we interact with them. So your answer is biased maybe due to blind support for Apple.. Yes I like them too but I won’t be like a sports fan of them..
(Apologies for the late reply) You are wrong read it again. 75% of ALL SMARTPHONE PROFITS not unit sales. Since they basically make the lions share of the money I'll reiterate they are doing fine without your,mine,or anyone else's advice.
EDIT: Just saw Danfango beat me to it.
 
I have a Xiaomi m11 lite, that I keep for backup purposes. Whilst I'd never go full Android, the device stuns me -- it's a viable large device. That's coming from a OG SE & Mini user. I'd actually buy a larger iPhone if it were light like the m11.

Idk if Xiaomi sell everywhere in the world, but the device is thin and weighs only 157 g (5.54 oz) despite the 6.6" screen, which is close to the mini (and somehow makes the mini feel heavy at hand). The 13 Max, is ~50% heavier at 240g (8.47 oz)

I feel such a device would work fell for the SE range, but Apple seem firm on no-plastic and making metal devices for the premium feel.
 
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