iPhone Need PROOF that PDAnet hides tethering from Att? ***We need a Verizon iPhone owner***

[Mahdokht]

How is it not? You violate your contract with them and when they try to defend themselves you continue to try and find a way to back door the company. You do realize that the cost of them trying to prevent this gets passed back to the customer at some point right? So the reason we are "douches" as you so well put it, is because in the long run you will cost me money!

Grow up and pay for what you use. If you don't like the agreement then move to a different service.

Illegal is very different from violating a contract, so, by definition it is not [illegal]....

I'm not so sure what is so difficult for you to understand here. I do pay for what I use. I take umbrage at being charged twice for what I use because tethering data is somehow magically more expensive than watching Lady Ga Ga covers on YouTube...

 

[TC25]

There will always be people who have no honor, for whom a contract is a meaningless piece of paper to be discarded whenever they want. How's the rioting and looting going in London? Or do you live in Philadelphia?

 

[wpotere]

Gotta love people that feel they are self entitled.....

 

[Mahdokht]

There will always be people who have no honor, for whom a contract is a meaningless piece of paper to be discarded whenever they want. How's the rioting and looting going in London? Or do you live in Philadelphia?

Maybe you do finally understand. That is correct - and I for one am definitely not about to give those thieves twice the money for the same product.

 

[TC25]

Maybe you do finally understand. That is correct - and I for one am definitely not about to give those thieves twice the money for the same product.

I completely understand people like you. Although I'm a bit surprised, I thought all of you used Blackberrys and was not aware ATT offered service in London.

 

[Mahdokht]

I completely understand people like you. Although I'm a bit surprised, I thought all of you used Blackberrys and was not aware ATT offered service in London.

I guess you don't after all. When ATT realizes they can start charging you multiple times for whatever holier-than-thou usage you put your data towards, I wish you all the best.

 

[andrewlgm]

Net neutrality is no longer a reality in the mobile world. The FCC ruling at the end of 2010 allows mobile service providers (not home ISPs) to, if they so wish, charge you for website visited and block specific services if they so wish, or charge you for different kinds of "internets." This idea of charging twice for the same data is just the beginning, and the majority of people on this forum are not only ok with it, but take umbrage at people who disagree with ATT removing unlimited data, then offering terrible, expensive data plans which lower the experience of owning a device such as an iPhone, and now they're throttling and blocking access altogether from people who dare use "unlimited data" in an unlimited fashion, and, again, people are arguing for ATT.

They're sitting on piles of cash, and not updating their network simply because they can make loads of money by downgrading the experience and charging more money. And they know the grand majority will simply accept the bad deal.

So the future? You'll be paying an extra $5.99 to ATT to simply be able to access Netflix, or CNN, or FOX. Or you won't be able to do so unless you're on Verizon, or Sprint as these services are tied down to providers, much like you're cable providers. Think this is insane? Try accessing HBO.com without subscribing to a specific cable provider. And you people will still be clamoring for "poor" service providers and against immoral iPhone users who dare break their contracts and tether their unlimited data contracts which were updated halfway without their full knowledge. If only the end user could update contracts at whim to be able to save some money...

 

[LT1FirebirdSLP]

Add all the you want. You're still trying to invent your own plan that AT&T chooses not to sell. You can justify it all day long, but it's still theft and it's still wrong. It's no different than me walking across the street to the 7-11, buying a candy bar for $1 and slipping two into my pocket because I feel they should be 3-for-$1. AT&T is not choosing to sell you what you want. That doesn't give you the right to take it anyway.

Now if you admit what you're doing is wrong, that's one thing. I just get upset when people steal and try to pin the blame for their crime on the victim. I'd much rather see a post where someone asks how to steal their service than try to justify why they need to resort to stealing. That's just lame.

This is by far the most atrocious example that I have seen as of yet regarding tethering using a jailbroken device.

Here is how I see it, and 100 to 1, people will probably see it my way.

Data = Candy

I paid $1 for a piece of candy. But if I want to eat that candy with a fork or whatever other utensil, that will be another $2. AT&T is doing the same thing. Users who pay for the 200mb, 2gb or 4gb tethering plans pay for that data. They aren't stealing it. They use it how they see fit. But AT&T wants to charge you to use it on any other device aside from the mobile device that receives the data initially. I am sorry but I will pay for my candy but if I want to eat it with a fork or melt it down and lap it up with a spoon, that's my prerogative. End of story.

Now I understand why all the telcom's are pedaling backwards to tiered data. 5 years ago with unlimited data, there was no iPhone, no Android, no big deal phone that could suck up data by the gigabyte. But there is now, and the telcom's now realize the error in their ways. People loved the unlimited data because they never had to worry about going over (hense why we have rollover minutes and unlimited texting and unlimited everything else). And with data hungry devices coming out to market month after month, more and more people worried about "going over" the telcom's are looking for an exit strategy. Tiered data. Basically says, we know your device sucks up data by the motherload. So we wanna cap you off. This is fine, for those who are actually in tiered plans. But for those of us on unlimited plans... hands off, were keeping them for a reason.

In the meantime, some will switch to official tiered tethering plans, others will switch carriers, others will stop service, etc. Eventually the numbers of unlimited data plans will dwindle to a small fraction of the subscription base and the network traffic will be tolerable. But in the meantime, nobody is stealing data if you PAY for it and use it how you see fit. Bits are bits. Stealing data is getting data access and not paying for it, or walking into the store and taking the candy bar without paying for it.

 

[mphayvanh]

This is by far the most atrocious example that I have seen as of yet regarding tethering using a jailbroken device.

Here is how I see it, and 100 to 1, people will probably see it my way.

Data = Candy

I paid $1 for a piece of candy. But if I want to eat that candy with a fork or whatever other utensil, that will be another $2. AT&T is doing the same thing. Users who pay for the 200mb, 2gb or 4gb tethering plans pay for that data. They aren't stealing it. They use it how they see fit. But AT&T wants to charge you to use it on any other device aside from the mobile device that receives the data initially. I am sorry but I will pay for my candy but if I want to eat it with a fork or melt it down and lap it up with a spoon, that's my prerogative. End of story.

Now I understand why all the telcom's are pedaling backwards to tiered data. 5 years ago with unlimited data, there was no iPhone, no Android, no big deal phone that could suck up data by the gigabyte. But there is now, and the telcom's now realize the error in their ways. People loved the unlimited data because they never had to worry about going over (hense why we have rollover minutes and unlimited texting and unlimited everything else). And with data hungry devices coming out to market month after month, more and more people worried about "going over" the telcom's are looking for an exit strategy. Tiered data. Basically says, we know your device sucks up data by the motherload. So we wanna cap you off. This is fine, for those who are actually in tiered plans. But for those of us on unlimited plans... hands off, were keeping them for a reason.

In the meantime, some will switch to official tiered tethering plans, others will switch carriers, others will stop service, etc. Eventually the numbers of unlimited data plans will dwindle to a small fraction of the subscription base and the network traffic will be tolerable. But in the meantime, nobody is stealing data if you PAY for it and use it how you see fit. Bits are bits. Stealing data is getting data access and not paying for it, or walking into the store and taking the candy bar without paying for it.

Very nice even I can understand it. lol. I agreed.

AT&T is telling you how to eat your candy bar. It cannot be shared and there's only one way to consume it. But if you want to chop it up or melt it down or blend it and share among friends, then you have to pay for that privilege.

Regardless of how we want to rationalize it, AT&T does not care. But consumers still have choices. I will choose Sprint.

 

[TC25]

Regardless of how we want to rationalize it, AT&T does not care. But consumers still have choices. I will choose Sprint.

Who is trying to rationalize anything?

Carriers have decided they'd rather keep the vast majority of their customers happy (wow, what a concept) by reducing network utilization or at least reduce the spikes. If that means they lose a relatively few data gluttons, who cause those spikes, so be it. If they can dump these people on their competitors, even better.

Keep customers you're making money on and get rid of ones you're losing (or not making as much) money on. Wow, another amazing concept. The carriers are not government agencies which can run at a loss or print money whenever they need it. No profit, they go out of business and your data rate goes to zero.

Not rationalization, facts.

Some people ran to Verizon and Verizon dumped unlimited data. Sprint will eventually do the same thing, then where will these people go? The only benefit is they won't be on MR whining about ATT or Verizon.

 

[Trey1984]

Interesting how MR takes a hard stances towards piracy but stealing a service is allowed here

Exactly bunch of hypocrites

 

[mphayvanh]

>>>Relax TC25, you're going to pop a blood vessel. That's dangerous for someone your age. Look, we're rationalizing how data is used. That's all. Here's another concept for you: Sell plans you have the infrastructure to support. Gluttons like us actually paid for our data whether it be 2GB or unlimited. What a concept, using what you actually pay for.<<<

 

[TC25]

>>>Relax TC25, you're going to pop a blood vessel. That's dangerous for someone your age. Look, we're rationalizing how data is used. That's all. Here's another concept for you: Sell plans you have the infrastructure to support. Gluttons like us actually paid for our data whether it be 2GB or unlimited. What a concept, using what you actually pay for.<<<

It's a character flaw - I have a very low tolerance for whiners and crybabies.

 

[Almeuit]

>>> Gluttons like us actually paid for our data whether it be 2GB or unlimited. What a concept, using what you actually pay for.<<<

^^ even with all the aruguin going on that is one of the truest statements made. I pay for unlimited so I def whore up my unlimited . I just don't tether.. So att leaves me be.

 

[LT1FirebirdSLP]

Relax guys. Have a steak! But if you want to cook it, that'll be extra.

Ill give a few additional examples!

***

We buy gas for our cars everyday, but you want to fill up your motorcycle or truck, that will be extra (per gallon).

We buy ice cream because it tastes good, but you want to share it with your family or friends, that will cost extra.

You'll need nails to build a house, but you want to use those nails on a commercial or industrial project? That will cost extra.

A lot of people like seafood. Want to buy it to eat? No problem. Want to serve it at your restaurant? That will cost extra.

I hope that this makes it very clear what AT&T is doing. I like their service, and have no intention to leave, but for heaven's sake... let bits be bits.

 

[VSMacOne]

Relax guys. Have a steak! But if you want to cook it, that'll be extra.
I hope that this makes it very clear what AT&T is doing. I like their service, and have no intention to leave, but for heaven's sake... let bits be bits.

Listen, I'm all for free tethering and against carriers over-charging for stuff. BUT the truth is, bits on a laptop may be the same as bits on an iPhone only LESS. I would consume much more data when I'm on my laptop (twitter, Facebook, safari with tabs that you can switch between much faster than on the iPhone).
At this point, I'm torn because although I would enjoy free tethering, the networkS (both verizon and at&t) would take a MAJOR hit if everybody could tether.

 

[bushido]

as long as people in the US are dumb enough to accept it, they won't change a thing and will come with even more redic things to charge u with.

t-mobile tried to get us to pay for tethering and there was a huge uproar in the media and they never went through with it. i guess ur "monopoly" and different "frequencies" used by each provider isnt helping tho

 

[The Highlander]

Listen, I'm all for free tethering and against carriers over-charging for stuff. BUT the truth is, bits on a laptop may be the same as bits on an iPhone only LESS. I would consume much more data when I'm on my laptop (twitter, Facebook, safari with tabs that you can switch between much faster than on the iPhone).
At this point, I'm torn because although I would enjoy free tethering, the networkS (both verizon and at&t) would take a MAJOR hit if everybody could tether.

I could understand that for the unlimited people. But, for the 2gb/mo people, that is totally irrelevant. They are still capped at 2gb/mo.

Even with the unlimited, its a loophole and maybe a grey area. There is a loophole for just about everything in life. Doesn't mean it's wrong, immoral or anything similar.

Tax payers use loopholes to pay less taxes than they "should"? So does ATT. I don't see anyone complaining that ATT is using a loophole to pay less taxes, have more profit so the big execs can get fatter bonuses.

 

[mphayvanh]

Relax guys. Have a steak! But if you want to cook it, that'll be extra.

Ill give a few additional examples!

***

We buy gas for our cars everyday, but you want to fill up your motorcycle or truck, that will be extra (per gallon).

We buy ice cream because it tastes good, but you want to share it with your family or friends, that will cost extra.

You'll need nails to build a house, but you want to use those nails on a commercial or industrial project? That will cost extra.

A lot of people like seafood. Want to buy it to eat? No problem. Want to serve it at your restaurant? That will cost extra.

I hope that this makes it very clear what AT&T is doing. I like their service, and have no intention to leave, but for heaven's sake... let bits be bits.

I like your example but AT&T told me this: Our tethering is like a buffet. You pay for yourself and can't share your food with people who didn't pay.

 

[monkey28rb]

i can't believe people take the carrier's side.. They make billions off of us, and you, I and they all know that charging the prices they do for tethering is absurd. For example, if i am paying for 2gb worth of data, what difference does it make if i consume that data on a computer or my phone? Why should i have to pay $20 extra a month just for the privilege? Please provide me with how and why you think that is fair? Because anyone who thinks logically would see that is just plain ludicrous.

 

[pcmxa]

i can't believe people take the carrier's side.. They make billions off of us, and you, I and they all know that charging the prices they do for tethering is absurd. For example, if i am paying for 2gb worth of data, what difference does it make if i consume that data on a computer or my phone? Why should i have to pay $20 extra a month just for the privilege? Please provide me with how and why you think that is fair? Because anyone who thinks logically would see that is just plain ludicrous.

Nobody is forcing you to use their service are they? If you think it costs to much, don't use it. ATT is a corporation whose mision is to make a profit. This one way they do. It has nothing to do with fair.

 

[Rogue235]

People here have given some examples of data usage to such things as buffets and water but I think the best thing to use for comparative purposes is Bluetooth.

Att charging additional money for tethering is no different then if they charged an additional fee to use the bluetooth capability that is built into our phones.

I am sure that everyone here defending att would be tooting a different horn if att started charging an additional fee to use a bluetooth handsfree ear piece or in my case my Bluetooth car stereo to stream music from my iPhone to my car stereo. There is absolutely no difference between the two, except att is trying to leach more money from their loyal customers.

But on a side note if att offered me a 10gb a month plan with tethering for 30 I would take the plan to
make my tethering legit... I am by no means close to some of these data hogs on here and understand why
att started tracking and cracking down to begin with.

 

[Tortri]

I've been watching this thread on and off and it has turned to a what's ethical debate but no one has really answered the question if pdanet hides tethering from the carriers. We get it, it's wrong to do, great to know that.. I dont care, i dont want to pay an extra $20 so does pdanet work or not???

 

[Rogue235]

Was using mywi and I got the email from att about tethering, not sure yet if I am going to give pdanet a try or not. I like knowing I have an unlimited data plan.

I may go ahead and give it a try and let everyone know if I get another email since when you get the email all they do is have you call in and they take the notice off your account. I can give pdanet a try and see if I get another email.

The only thing is that I only use an average of about 3gb per month since I started using mywi on my iphone4 to connect my wifi only ipad2 to the net on the go. At home I use att uverse.

 

[navigates]

Was using mywi and I got the email from att about tethering, not sure yet if I am going to give pdanet a try or not. I like knowing I have an unlimited data plan.

I may go ahead and give it a try and let everyone know if I get another email since when you get the email all they do is have you call in and they take the notice off your account. I can give pdanet a try and see if I get another email.

The only thing is that I only use an average of about 3gb per month since I started using mywi on my iphone4 to connect my wifi only ipad2 to the net on the go. At home I use att uverse.

I've used about 5 gb 2 months back through Mywii and didn't receive any notice. ATT might be targetting the low usage plans. i'm on the 2100 min plan.