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The battery life is still something I cannot get over. When I had one of the few first watches I really experienced charging fatigue. Charge the iPad, charge the iPhone, charge the Apple Watch....
 
The problem Apple had with the previous Ceramic finishes was the limited color selection. Most high-end watches like Rado feature a black ceramic finish. It is far more elegant than white or gray. Apple needs to start offering a black color for other accessories such as AirPods.

I'd be very interested in Black Ceramic.



Titanium is something I always wondered about and thought they might think about for the top of the range to replace the ceramic.

I have a Titanium watch though and to be perfectly honest I love the feel and weight and look of the stainless steel Apple Watch so I really hope that they don't switch and this is just an option.

One advantage of titanium is the fairly lighter weight compared to stainless steel, which could help with the haptic feedback, which is less noticeable on the stainless steel models than the aluminum due to the heavier weight of the case.



I love the Apple Watch, and I prefer to have the Stainless Steel or Ceramic one (and I bet the Titanium will look and feel great as well) but my problem with the Apple Watch is how huge of a jump it is in pricing just to get better materials.

I personally see the stainless steel models as continuing the "fashion" part of the Apple Watch. The aluminum models dropped the "Apple Watch Sport" naming and just became Apple Watches like the stainless steel models. If one just wants the technology, aluminum has one covered. But a number of people, myself included, feel the stainless steel is a more aesthetically pleasing material so they pay the extra cost for that material.

I could see Apple swapping stainless steel for Titanium at the same price if they can offer Titanium in Space Black and Gold with the durability of the stainless steel model. Then they could reintroduce Apple Watch Edition with the Ceramic.

The other option would be Titanium and Ceramic would be Apple Watch Edition models and stainless steel would remain the "upgrade" model to the Aluminum.
 
high end rolex or etc, lives more than you...so whats the point? Apple watch makes you live longer

Ha! Give me a break. I manage a diabetes and heart failure clinic, I see plenty of patients with Bluetooth glucose meters and Apple Watches who still can’t get their act together about diet and exercise.

Omegas and Rolex diver watches help you live longer too.... they have an immovable dial that tells you how much oxygen is left in your tank when you’re underwater.
 
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I never understood why someone would purchase a high end smart watch. High end watches like Rolex and omega are timeless, smart watches are not. Dropping $1300+ on a watch that will be obsolete in 2-3 years doesn’t seem like a great investment.
Investment? Not every purchase should be an investment. Most people buy things just to satisfy their hunger for consuming.
 
Omegas and Rolex diver watches help you live longer too.... they have an immovable dial that tells you how much oxygen is left in your tank when you’re underwater.

  • No they do not show how much is left in your tank. You have a pressure gauge for that.
  • Theses dive watches are used to know how long you have been under water related to nitrogen absorption in your body. Too much nitrogen and you can get decompression sickness (aka. the bends)
  • Dive watches have moveable dials (albeit only in one direction) to set the start point of your dive
  • Recreational scuba diving is done with compressed air. Breathing oxygen will probably kill you past 10 meters of depth (33 feet for the metrically challenged)!
So here we have another case of "OMG help me to keep my mouth shut until I know what I am talking about"...
 
The battery life is still something I cannot get over. When I had one of the few first watches I really experienced charging fatigue. Charge the iPad, charge the iPhone, charge the Apple Watch....

‘Charging fatigue’ has nothing to do with the Apple Watch, that’s everything to do with lithium ion technology through _all_ those products and pretty much anything tech in today’s era. The biggest change the Apple Watch could possibly offer aside from health features, would be a complete overhaul with battery technology, but that’s likely not anywhere ready yet. Maybe even solar power could be integrated somehow in the future with the watch alongside lithium ion technology until we’re ready for new battery tech.’
 
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People said the same of Series 3 over Series 2, when in fact S3 was quite a substantial upgrade.
yes but the key difference that I can see is the series two was still painfully slow so the series 3 being much faster made a big difference. The series 4 is already so fast I don’t see there being a speed increase like the series 2 -> series 3 upgrade.
 
I can barely stomach the cost of the stainless steel, I'd hate to see the price of the ceramic or titanium.

If trade-in values weren't such a rip-off, it'd be a different story.

Agreed. Apple should’ve handled its own returns not brighthand.

Hoping for a Titanium Hermès edition!

Oh yeah super expensive. Quite possibly new bands (incompatible) next year.
 
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The thing that keeps me from upgrading my S1 is still the lack of Apps. The new hardware is great.

The big hole IMO is WhatsApp. Of course, they’re owned by Facebook and FB messenger is on the watch, but for some reason WhatsApp doesn’t have its own watch app. If they closed that hole, the watch would instantly be much more appealing to me, especially with cellular data.
 
It's a secondary grab for folks into luxury items, but who weren't into the astronomical price of the original gold watch offering. Titanium is light weight, strong, and rust proof. Stainless steel - or any steel - is relatively heavy. Steel is also strong, and the stainless variety is rust proof. Titanium is considerably more expensive than steel, but its light weight combined with rust resistance make it a good choice for aircraft and high end bicycles. Its use on a small gadget like a watch has no practical end. A stainless steel watch might be a few grams heavier than a titanium watch, but come on - no one has been complaining about Apple watches being too heavy. The only reason to replace stainless steel with titanium is to make a pricier watch with no functional superiority to the less expensive steel version. [...]
Don't forget about biocompatibility. Steel almost always contains nickel, to which some people react allergic.
 
Ming-Chi Kuo doesn’t predict anything. He’s not Nostradamus. He has high key placed sources in Apple’s supply chain and he reports on what they leak to him. That means most of the time he’s right about what products they’ll ship. That’s not prediction that’s well sourced information gathering and reporting.
 
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Quite possibly new bands (incompatible) next year.

I really do not see Apple changing the bands so that earlier versions are incompatible. Yes, I know "this is Apple" and all, but I believe them when they say the Apple Watch is the company's most "personal" product and the ability to use so many bands with it is one of, if not the, main thing that makes it "personal".

Personally I think the 40mm/44mm size is perfect (I understand some prefer the original 38mm/40mm) and if MicroLED allows them to push the display out to the edges, that would allow them to offer more screen space without needing a larger case. And they can only make it so small before it loses major functionality, so I do not see them going smaller.


They need something more impressive in terms of bands for ceramic (and titanium I guess). I always though the ceramic was let down by the cheap-af-looking rubber straps that came with them in the past.

Agreed. I do not like the Sport Straps so the lack of any other option put me off the ceramic Watch Editions even though I was interested in the material.


Ming-Chi Kuo doesn’t predict anything. He’s not Nostradamus. He has high key placed sources in Apple’s supply chain and he reports on what they leak to him. That means most of the time he’s right about what products they’ll ship. That’s not prediction that’s well sourced information gathering and reporting.

Indeed. I would not be surprised if Apple is testing new ceramic cases as well as looking at new materials like titanium. But launching a run of a few hundred prototypes is a far different thing than launching a production run of millions. And that I think is where at times the supply chain information getting back to MCK can get "lost in translation".
 
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I’d rathee have they fix the scratch resistance of the display. It is horeendous as of now, my Apple watch ssries 4 is full of deep scratches after only moderate use.

YES, THIS!
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Haha! I’m assuming they mean with the heart-monitoring features and health applications to the devices.

But yeah, the point is that a Rolex in 50 years is still a timeless collectible, functioning Rolex. It will always have use and be worth something. In even 5 years that Apple Watch isn’t going to work as intended. It’s a throwaway. People spending the absurd amounts of cash on them are just wealthy culturally adapted brainwashed IMO. It’s a thing. Needing, craving status as some form of personal gratification and measurement of success. Those are the people spending $1300 on the throwaway Apple watches.

Truth. But if you have the expendable income where you're able to spend $1k on an apple watch every year, then it doesn't matter.
 
Apple Watch makes you live longer? Elaborate please.

It did in my case - WATCH brought atrial fibrillation to my attention, resulting in it being properly diagnosed and me being treated for it. I’d consider that making me live longer.

(This was even before WATCH 4, this was an WATCH series 1 doing this. So, thanks, I’ll take the WATCH.
 
Don’t care about ceramic, seriously jonesing for Titanium - it’s my favorite metal.

It also costs similar, if not the same, to aluminum or steel, so there should not be any premium cost associated with it.
 
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Don’t care about ceramic, seriously jonesing for Titanium - it’s my favorite metal.

It also costs similar, if not the same, to aluminum or steel, so there should not be any premium cost associated with it.
Also to mention nobody has any allergic reaction on/in skin/flesh to titanium (that I’m aware of).

Lighter than ceramic/steel yet infinitely stronger tensile and impact strength. I’ll not be able to afford the titanium model; currrntly but I’ll be working towards the S5/S6. 3mths ahí got the S4 Nike+ and loving it. Honestly I think the aluminum used in the Nike+ should be bumped up to the SS case due to the nature of sport fanatics use cases
 
  • No they do not show how much is left in your tank. You have a pressure gauge for that.
  • Theses dive watches are used to know how long you have been under water related to nitrogen absorption in your body. Too much nitrogen and you can get decompression sickness (aka. the bends)
  • Dive watches have moveable dials (albeit only in one direction) to set the start point of your dive
  • Recreational scuba diving is done with compressed air. Breathing oxygen will probably kill you past 10 meters of depth (33 feet for the metrically challenged)!
So here we have another case of "OMG help me to keep my mouth shut until I know what I am talking about"...

Sure if you want to nitpick on what a diver measures fine but it’s interesting how you have no comment about how Bluetooth glucose meters and Apple Watches are owned by people who still can’t make the life changes necessary to help their diabetes and heart failure. Since Apple Watches help you “live longer”
 
Also to mention nobody has any allergic reaction on/in skin/flesh to titanium (that I’m aware of).

Lighter than ceramic/steel yet infinitely stronger tensile and impact strength. I’ll not be able to afford the titanium model; currrntly but I’ll be working towards the S5/S6. 3mths ahí got the S4 Nike+ and loving it. Honestly I think the aluminum used in the Nike+ should be bumped up to the SS case due to the nature of sport fanatics use cases
they use titanium for medical implants bc of its non-reactive properties (and strength, weight, etc.)...but iʻm not sure how pure the titanium is in electronic consumer devices. other metals mixed with the titanium could possibly cause allergic reactions...
 
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For those that are thinking the titanium might be the same price, consider that retail pricing is not based on cost of raw materials alone. In fact, material cost is not usually a major component of the retail price.

Pricing is firstly determined by what the market will (or will be willing to) pay. There are many other aspects to it as well, such as differentiation. If it can be marketed (and perceived) as being more upmarket, then it will be priced higher.

Even as far as production is concerned, there is the cost of making and finishing the material into the final product, which could be higher than stainless steel etc.
 
I never understood why someone would purchase a high end smart watch. High end watches like Rolex and omega are timeless, smart watches are not. Dropping $1300+ on a watch that will be obsolete in 2-3 years doesn’t seem like a great investment.
The same could be said about smartphones, fashion, tablets and lots more... yet here we are, spending crazy amounts on fad items to feed our egos and sense of self-worth. I am still rocking an original Stainless Steel Series 0 with Link Bracelet from 2015 - that is over 4 years old. The apps are barely responsive now, but it still seems to track my heart rate, steps, distance, calories burned, etc. and through the various updates through the years, it now logs even more exercises than it did when I first purchased it. My OG Apple watch is long in the tooth, but not quite obsolete, yet. I must admit that I sometimes find myself longing for some of the features in the newer watches... and I will probably spring for the Apple Watch 5, this year.
 
Sounds nice but I just got my 44mm S4 when it came out. I recon it still has 1.5 years left of use

Like many have said... some of us are already spending $1000+ on phones every other year.... (Every year is just foolish now)

I’m not going to do that with a watch
 
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A few months ago, there was some members on this forum talking about how cool it would be if titanium came out? There is no way that this is just a coincidence, we have some internal apple employees giving us hints! Haha
 
The battery life is still something I cannot get over. When I had one of the few first watches I really experienced charging fatigue. Charge the iPad, charge the iPhone, charge the Apple Watch....
Interesting. I only ever had to charge any of my devices overnight. Don't sleep with the watch on anyway... so, phone on charger, watch on charger, plug iPad in. Done. Didn't seem to bother me.
My laptop I use as a desktop, so it's almost always plugged in unless I need to take it with me, and when I do, it's always fully charged as a result.
[doublepost=1566166393][/doublepost]I'd probably end up going back to the polished stainless steel for my next watch. Seems to be easiest to match with bands since most of the connecting hardware is polished silver tone, which looks odd (to me) when paired with the silver aluminum.
 
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