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New EU Law Could Force Apple to Allow Other App Stores, Sideloading, and iMessage Interoperability
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The EU is not in a position to negotiate anything.
Usually we let the market decide on pricing. Not what one dude feels it should be. Apple works pretty hard for their 30%, seeing how they make the hardware your app runs on, the OS that your app operates in, the store where your app is sold and marketed to more than one billion paying users in, the computer you wrote your app on, the software you designed your app in, and the programming language you used to write your app. They literally do everything and leave you free to just focus on making good apps. I’m going to let the cat out of the bag here but at 30%, you are living the dream.
EU Laws are strict. Apple will not be able to avoid some things.
Hard to do if that app provides something that officially "blessed" apps from the App Store cannot.
Unlike our friends, the corporations?
Agree, then iOS app store would be like Mac App store.
we will be forced to sideload apps, then we never know what app developers are getting from the phone.
do you know what data apps we install in mac from internet are accessing from mac ?
That kind of thing could happen but it isn't happening on Android today where you can have other app stores and side loading. Most users don't do it and most apps don't require it. not sure which argument is tired, here.
we need government to control every thing.
Please EU force apple to make small iPhone.
Force Apple to make phone with touch ID.
Force Apple to make iPhone with LED screen.
Force Apple to make a small phone that lasts 2 days on one charge.
Force Apple to use Android OS instead of iOS.
We need all these now.
Also we need Chrome OS on M2 MacBook Air.
Apple should work with Google to make sure Chrome OS works on M2 MacBook Air.
Even better Apple should give users options to buy M2 MacBook Air from Apple store with Chrome OS installed on it.
*to the London Bridges tune*
"Apple monopoly falling down, falling down, falling down!"
And once EU implements it others will follow suit. This is like... 10+ years overdue.
"Apple monopoly falling down, falling down, falling down!"
And once EU implements it others will follow suit. This is like... 10+ years overdue.
I think, they‘ll likely be using and abusing security issues as a pretext to make sideloading as limited, difficult, cumbersome and expensive as they can - until they get slapped in court. Which could take years.
I‘d be very surprised if Apple just „opened up“ and we enjoyed Mac-like sideloading from 2024, happy days. In fact, I‘d be surprised if the EU did not have to open up an investigation into Apple‘s alleged noncompliance within a few years.
Well, people here keep recommending password managers made - and syncing services hosted - in the US. A country that’s well-known to spy on other countries and their companies and individuals.
They haven’t done so on Android - so why should they do on iOS?
It’s far bigger than that. It gives Apple the ability to pick and choose winners, including themselves. Apple can offer services without a 30% overhead that their competitors have to pay. Try not to lose too much sleep when Apple gets smacked down in the EU like they just did with Lightning.
Start charging non App Store developers for Xcode. And the simulator. And the instrument tools. A thousand bucks each per workstation. Per year. And yes you do need a separate license for your laptop and your desktop.
Totally agree with everything else you said, however Apple ****ed up by keeping the lightning connector proprietary. It is physically superior to USB-C and physics-wise could support 40 Gbps and all of the other USB specs. But some ******* decided that it needed to be locked down, and now we’re left with the USBIF’s bizarre guidance that leaves consumers to roll the dice every time they buy a peripheral.
The EU’s push for “fairness” is going to result in the same damn thing: a fractured system where everything a consumer does is a gamble. It’s pushing everything toward lack of confidence, a la grotesque misinformation campaigns and miring us all in FUD— for those unfamiliar, that stands for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Every single person in the world needs to choose a new timeline, cause this one sucks.
And, I haven’t even addressed the security implications of such policies. Those dominoes falling are grim.
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Worries only a few. Many successful apps are developed with cross platform dev tools.
All that stuff has just be done by developers because Apple has its own operating system. So developers have to do additional work just for Apple products. It is in Apple's best interest that all those apps are available on iOS. They often mention the number of apps proudly. Imagine for iOS you would only get half of the apps you get for Android. Only the profitable ones that do not care if they have to pay $1,000 more for some license. Many users would switch to Android then just to use their favourite app.
I must say that for both iOS and Android developing apps still is much too complicated. It should be as easy as writing a Python program. You should not need so many special skills. For example I tried to turn my website into an app. It was possible with some pre programmed services that turn any URL into an app, but if you wanted to do all the programming yourself to have more control, it really gets complicated. Even just implementing some swipe functionalities is a major task. Most programming languages allow you to get to the "Hello World" level within minutes, but with apps that is not that easy. I think iOS and Android need to work together on this. They should create a framework for apps that run on both systems. Each side could still implement its own philosophy about privacy.
*Sigh* This takes my choice as a consumer away from a secure ecosystem.
The solution should not be changing the "core platform services" it should simply allow interoperability of same architecture systems.
Apple should develop a Bootcamp for iPhone for possibility to install Android.
No support with android on software troubleshooting, same hardware warranty/AppleCare applies.
There. Solved.
The solution should not be changing the "core platform services" it should simply allow interoperability of same architecture systems.
Apple should develop a Bootcamp for iPhone for possibility to install Android.
No support with android on software troubleshooting, same hardware warranty/AppleCare applies.
There. Solved.
Yes, even Windows 11 allows you to run Android apps on your computer.
If I remember right, Apple does not even support old apps that do not run with 64 bit. So what if someone developes a really nice app and then dies? There still should be support for the app, even if it is not updated to any of Apple changing requirements. Apple proudly showed us some very old app developers. I think that one woman was close to 80. If she dies, her work should be preserved. Not just ditched because she was not able to update her app to the latest guidelines.
If I remember right, Apple does not even support old apps that do not run with 64 bit. So what if someone developes a really nice app and then dies? There still should be support for the app, even if it is not updated to any of Apple changing requirements. Apple proudly showed us some very old app developers. I think that one woman was close to 80. If she dies, her work should be preserved. Not just ditched because she was not able to update her app to the latest guidelines.
Maybe they already did that and nobody in the EU noticed. Over here we've been using Signal, Whatsapp, Threema,... for years. I live in a country with >40% iPhone marketshare and can probably count the iMessages I received and sent this year on the fingers of one hand.
Yes, exactly. Buy the hardware and choose between Android and iOS— configurable/chaos or curated/comprehensible. Don’t munge the two; both have their purpose. Hell, it’s possible that an extra secure (completely audited) OS/distro could come into being. Regardless, I suspect that iOS would continue to be an easy preference for most.
In the end they will make Apple disappear from the European market.
The European Union lately the only thing it does is to prohibit, demand, demand, demand and continue prohibiting. Everything is excessively bureaucratized, everything imposed, laws and more laws, some with more sense than others.
The truth is that having Android in Europe a significantly higher share than Apple, having such operating system that allows everything you want, I do not understand that those who use iOS in Europe, is around 25/30%, and we know the existing limitations, but still use it because we value other things, do not want to allow us. For tinkering there are already a thousand Android phones and thousands of Windows computers, Apple offers a closed system, with other advantages and disadvantages compared to its competition, but manufactures 4/5 products of each line. There is enough variety and supply for those who want to use other app stores, do it.
However, it is true that in this issue there are Apple policies that I do not understand, for example, the issue of xCloud, Steam or other gaming platforms to which they put a thousand obstacles, it seems that all they want is to enhance their Apple Arcade, when this service is quite disappointing and I do not think it is one of the best performing among its various subscription services. In this sense I think Apple is holding back the competition and perhaps this should be seen, not as an opening of the operating system to different platforms, but to be able to use different monetization services or to be able to play "cloud" game services.
It is not an easy issue, but the raison d'être of iOS is its "closed" system. If you like it fine, if you don't like it, you have Android with lots and lots of variety of brands and handsets and customization layers, ROMs, etc.
With what the EU is proposing, the only thing they seem to want is to open security holes in a more closed and secure system for the average user.
The European Union lately the only thing it does is to prohibit, demand, demand, demand and continue prohibiting. Everything is excessively bureaucratized, everything imposed, laws and more laws, some with more sense than others.
The truth is that having Android in Europe a significantly higher share than Apple, having such operating system that allows everything you want, I do not understand that those who use iOS in Europe, is around 25/30%, and we know the existing limitations, but still use it because we value other things, do not want to allow us. For tinkering there are already a thousand Android phones and thousands of Windows computers, Apple offers a closed system, with other advantages and disadvantages compared to its competition, but manufactures 4/5 products of each line. There is enough variety and supply for those who want to use other app stores, do it.
However, it is true that in this issue there are Apple policies that I do not understand, for example, the issue of xCloud, Steam or other gaming platforms to which they put a thousand obstacles, it seems that all they want is to enhance their Apple Arcade, when this service is quite disappointing and I do not think it is one of the best performing among its various subscription services. In this sense I think Apple is holding back the competition and perhaps this should be seen, not as an opening of the operating system to different platforms, but to be able to use different monetization services or to be able to play "cloud" game services.
It is not an easy issue, but the raison d'être of iOS is its "closed" system. If you like it fine, if you don't like it, you have Android with lots and lots of variety of brands and handsets and customization layers, ROMs, etc.
With what the EU is proposing, the only thing they seem to want is to open security holes in a more closed and secure system for the average user.