Look, as a member of a first world country, I demand that my first world problems be treated with the same importance as lacking food, water, clean air and other essentials. /s
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New EU Law Could Force Apple to Allow Other App Stores, Sideloading, and iMessage Interoperability
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This is all they’ve got left. They’ve driven all their technology companies either into the ground or out of the country. Which, at the time, probably seemed like a good idea. But now, with no major technology companies to speak of pulling in massive amounts of money from outside the EU, they have to hope they can get this to work.
I say “hope” because the leader of the effort is meeting with the companies in the US to try to build support for their rule that, strangely, only affects non-EU companies.
We didn’t see this with the USB-C changes, so either the folks in charge of the USB-C requirement just didn’t like traveling all that much or they didn’t need to as a vendor could swap one part with another and it wouldn’t affect a company’s bottom line by much. However, taking what made these companies popular and well used in the first place and watering that down? Well, it speaks volumes that the “rule” went into effect on November 1, yet all that did is start a process that will, eventually start another process which will then… start another process.Make an argument where Apple has ever sold your personal data to any country let along organization. Look into their privacy policy and point to a single place that states they can sell your personal data. Until you do you are fear mongering. Where as there are literally thousands of instances were sideloading on Android has exploited other people’s data, other companies IP, and companies who require you to download their App not from the Google play store so they can have more control over your device which is not always in good will standing.
Again side loading will not make anything better and a lot of things worse. Better regulation on how a company maintains their App Store and making sure that companies aren’t restricting access to their technology that isn’t available to others like APIs. That is much better policy making that what is proposed here.
"zero data"? It makes me think you aren't being serious.
macOS has actual existant malware. Evidence- macrumors news, 3rd party utilities, and Apple's own Xprotect malware detection list.
iOS has virtually no malware, as it's almost impossible to get unsigned code to run on it without hacking the OS first. Sure, userland exploits appear from time to time (and get patched quickly), but that's obviously much different from having a model where any software can essentially run at any time with a few clicks.
Would you say that Android is less secure (at least in terms of malware prevalence) than iOS? Let me guess. There's "zero data" on this too...
Well, to be fair,
corporations have to at least make something people want to acquire. And, looking around the world, Apple’s woefully bad at that. While there may be pockets of local success, across the world, Apple’s being beat badly by Android. But, they’ve been able to find a profitable niche that keeps them in business.Any government has no such requirement.
Except people would still complain about the curation forming a gatekeeper function.
Governments in democracies must answer to their voters. One of the things that they do for those voters is to keep corporations in check.Well, to be fair,
Any government has no such requirement.
I wouldn’t read it being jealous of the US either. But they surely recognize that restricting their companies from being able to materially benefit from capital risk have left them in a position where their ONLY recourse is hope they can extend this “inability to materially benefit” to the rest of the world. The fact that they are sending representatives into the US to speak with the companies I think accurately captures how difficult obtaining compliance will be.
And I don’t think Nokia would be subject to the laws because the laws wouldn’t have been created. They would have just had a conversation with Nokia, and Nokia, as an EU company would have complied. Just like they’ve likely communicated with other EU companies that appeared to be getting too successful in the past (causing them to close or leave the region).
They allow for membership creation and subscription through the iOS app for the basic level subscription that allows access to the Netflix games. And, the value created there IS pretty obvious.
How did I move the goalpost? Apps can be sold anywhere, but not if your an iOS app.
If I want to purchase the little snitch app, apple doesn’t allow them to exist on the AppStore. So I would need to change platform or jailbreak.
Developer freedom
It says so in the: allow side loading.
It is the regulation
Market contestability (ex ante fairness)
• Possibility of entry for new innovators
• In line with problems identified in the digital economy
• In line with European ordo-liberal tradition
• Favour long term competition over short term efficiencies
• (Ex post) fairness
• Balance between rights and obligations of gatekeepers and
their business users
• Beware of legal uncertainty and regulatory creep
How is 15% fair when you can choose 5%? Or even zero with your own solution.
What’s the difference between an app being removed and only existing on android and an app being removed but existing on a competing store?
The effect is exactly the same. The app on apples store is curated, and everything outside is not curated by apple
There is 15% to save. Microsoft have a solution with 5%. Epic allows custom payment solutions effectively taking 0%.
I would love if IAP was removed and Apple Pay was used(visa/Mastercard fee 0.2%-0.3% in EU) but with the apple wallet instead.
Correction, nobody is taking money from apple.
Epic is the between consumers and developers. Apple isn’t part of the conversation.
And how do you know that? They don’t really have a choice now do they? If the Mac is anything to go by it shows people like to use other storefronts but the Macappstore.
Android is not iOS. They don’t share the same customers. This is where multihoming comes in to play again.
You want to reach smartphone consumers. Or rather the consumers who plays mobile phone games or takes photos with smartphones.
If you want to reach a wide audience then you need to sell your program on all storefronts.
If you want to sell games to consol players then you provide to all. If you want to sell to Xbox players, well then you only sell on the xbox.
If you want to sell to computer people then you provide the software on multiple places to expand the reach.
Or Hermit (spyware).
Apple claims iOS is more secure without evidence.
And do you remember XcodeGhost? And the 100 million victims?
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Or the regular zero click exploits for installing spyware?
But we can’t say iOS is more secure than Mac or anything else without actual data, a lot might be taken cared of behind the scenes eventually so we never gets to register it.
And currently apple have refused to release any such data. That’s why they were dismissed in court as an opinion without substance.
macOS we can study. iOS on the other hand everything is on the AppStore behind lock and key of actual security
You can get compromised in many more ways than running malware. Tracking and collecting personal data beyond what’s agreed. Zero click exploits. iMessage hacking and website exploits in the safari engine.
Apple claims iOS is more secure without evidence.
And do you remember XcodeGhost? And the 100 million victims?
'XcodeGhost' Malware Attack in 2015 Impacted 128 Million iOS Users, According to Trial Documents
Back in 2015, a malware-infected version of Xcode began circulating in China, and malware-ridden "XcodeGhost" apps made their way into...
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Or the regular zero click exploits for installing spyware?
Newly found zero-click iPhone exploit used in NSO spyware attacks
Digital threat researchers at Citizen Lab have discovered a new zero-click iMessage exploit used to install NSO Group spyware on devices belonging to Catalan politicians, journalists, and activists.
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we can infer that android is less secure as its official data.Would you say that Android is less secure (at least in terms of malware prevalence) than iOS? Let me guess. There's "zero data" on this too...
But we can’t say iOS is more secure than Mac or anything else without actual data, a lot might be taken cared of behind the scenes eventually so we never gets to register it.
And currently apple have refused to release any such data. That’s why they were dismissed in court as an opinion without substance.
macOS we can study. iOS on the other hand everything is on the AppStore behind lock and key of actual security
This seems like a law that will have many bad side effects. It is one thing to mandate the ability to side load apps. It is an entirely different thing to require things like iMessage to work with any chat app that requests it. Then iMessage will only be as secure as the crappiest app your friend uses to message you.
They were stretching REAL hard with Apple… NeXT, that powerhouse computer maker, that no longer exists? And Siri, that worldwide voice recognition conglomerate behind such companies such as Apple and… Apple? AND, who could forget HopStop, behind an entire world of Maps applications. From Apple Maps to… Apple Maps.i recomend you actualy check what companies owns what. A government represents you. a company does not.
And, only Beats and Shazam are in any way cross platform. Really shows just how dis-connected Apple is (waving hands) from this.Yes, with “browsers” (generic) and desktop OS’s (generic). Literally no one had a problem that Microsoft had 100% control over Microsoft’s Windows or Microsoft’s Explorer.
Microsoft were forcing vendors to pay for every PC they shipped even if Windows wasn’t on it. Which, made it unlikely that any vendor would cut deals with anyone else to include anything else. Apple, by comparison, specifically does NOT curtail what any companies not named Apple can do on the hardware they produce and ship.It pretty clearly solidifies the very significant hardware positions of Android vendors (and, by a far smaller extent Apple) such that it hands the cellular phone market to those two OS platforms. It takes what was a customer choice and codifies it as an explicit customer requirement. Google HAS to be happy about this as it makes it impossible for a non-Apple competitor to rise. Well, in the EU that is. I’d imagine that, just like happened after GPDR, there are some companies that will only operate outside the EU.
Completely agree that people would complain. I'm not a lawyer but I wonder if that would be away around the legislation since there is no longer a store; it is now a service.
Steam built their own device. It’s not perfect, but we’re now seeing more and more devices LIKE it, also capable, that are driving innovation in the “Switch” console form factor market. Amazon built their own devices that are some of the best reflective screen devices in the world. Companies having to build their own devices (like Apple did) are what brings us many of the incredible advances we’ve seen coming out of US companies time and time again.
Apple, had they piggy backed on someone else rather than drive their own destiny, would have ended up with something like a Motorola RAZR and not the iPhone of today.
And, corporations must answer to their customers. A corporation without customers will find themselves NOT a corporation for long. A government can be poor for a very very long time. A corporation can’t.
Neither is an example of perfect feedback. Both can operate against the interests of their constituencies in some areas or for a period of time.
Judging from the comments here, the US have become the land of pathetic cry babies “who do not want to be told what to do, whawha”.
What you really need to see is that one person’s “they are so against our great companiiiess because they don’t have their own-uh” is another person’s “finally a political body that is not completely engrossed in the doings of the private economy and actually makes policies for the many”.
What you really need to see is that one person’s “they are so against our great companiiiess because they don’t have their own-uh” is another person’s “finally a political body that is not completely engrossed in the doings of the private economy and actually makes policies for the many”.
Believe it or not. But in EU for example payment processing is caped at 0.3% and aren’t allowed to be at 3% that you find it in the USA for private consumer cards
Well not really. Next was bought by apple to give them macOS. It wasn’t internally made. Same with Siri and Apple Maps. They absorbed other companies for that.They were stretching REAL hard with Apple… NeXT, that powerhouse computer maker, that no longer exists? And Siri, that worldwide voice recognition conglomerate behind such companies such as Apple and… Apple? AND, who could forget HopStop, behind an entire world of Maps applications. From Apple Maps to… Apple Maps.
Apple didn’t invent Siri or apple maps or even the OS they built their entire operation on. It’s all from absorbed and dead companies.
This is curious. How does it prevent an Google competitor for example? When the only difference is this tells google what they can’t do and must allow.
Google can’t anymore punish or do anything against for example Samsung for selling alternative systems, a custom android phone with zero google services except the play store etc.
Well it’s good companies left for not wanting to respect GDPR and user privacy.
You can always do two things at the same time. Such as a steam PC and steam on other computers.
Steam would makes gaming better on iOS. No more draconian game rules that prevents developer freedoms.
If you only knew how close that was
Life isn’t binary. You can operate multiple avenues simultaneously. Companies alway piggy back on others specialization, inventing the wheel again is mostly wasters resources.
ARM for the apple CPU
Samsung for the modems and batteries.
LG for the OLED screen etc etc.
Apple could have done like Intel and make their own CPU architecture.
Or like Tesla to make their own batteries, or like Samsung their own modems and screen technology.
As opposed to the land of pathetic crybabies who feel the govt must protect them from every first world problem on the planet?
Oh but history is full of examples where the company don’t care at all for its consumer. They just don’t have a choice and will do it their way irrespective of what consumers say. And most are in the USA.
Here we have many examples where companies was explicitly forced to cater to consumer demand, when entrenchment prevents customers from leaving
Example telecommunications wasn’t broken up as it insanely was in the USA. But forced them to be interoperable and offer FRAND agreements for using their network.
Car companies must use the CCS2 charger.
Microsoft had to offer alternative browser.
Cartels are a normal thing, and sometimes it must be forced to break up in the interests of consumers and markets.