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This is what I worry about more than USB-C. Dictating software feature to companies can pose far more problems. What's next? Forcing them to have a backdoor?
Probably force them to make phones in certain colors to ensure everyone is "represented".
 
Government only sets out, promotes and protects the conditions for free-enterprise innovation to happen.

Definitely.

Their business model for their App Store, limiting access to software distribution and hardware features (such as NFC) though... they aren't innovative or encouraging innovation. They're actively hindering innovation to make a quick buck.
They have been encouraging innovation since the beginning. Innovation isn't multiple app stores, lots of malware, scamware, identify theft and race to the bottom for apps etc. That's a by product of an open ecosystem that benefits no one except the scammers.
It's not as if the EU were expropriating Apple and taking their innovations away from them or prohibiting them.
They're merely making them more accessible and inter-operable in (only) a few specific ways and situations.
The EU will find out the meaning of accessibility as the scammers gear themselves up, innovation goes into the toilet, app revenues go downhill etc.
 
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Some like the feel of these on their neck. Some don't.
 
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Neither is an example of perfect feedback. Both can operate against the interests of their constituencies in some areas or for a period of time.
Oh, I agree. And I agree that “Corporations BAD” makes about as much sense as “Governments BAD”. That there are good examples of bad of both makes neither, by default, bad.
 
Well not really. Next was bought by apple to give them macOS. It wasn’t internally made. Same with Siri and Apple Maps. They absorbed other companies for that.

Apple didn’t invent Siri or apple maps or even the OS they built their entire operation on. It’s all from absorbed and dead companies.
Yeah, but the chart says “Who owns who” as in “You’d be surprised to find out how far these tendrils extend!” Maybe it should have instead been “What technology companies have been purchased by these other technology companies”. While it would have been a more boring… ohhh, answered by own question. The hyperbolistic “Who owns who” is far more clickbaity and would have more folks copying and pasting it. :)
 
This is curious. How does it prevent an Google competitor for example? When the only difference is this tells google what they can’t do and must allow.

Google can’t anymore punish or do anything against for example Samsung for selling alternative systems, a custom android phone with zero google services except the play store etc.
It only prevents a Google competitor in the EU. The EU is now (not “now” now, but, if things go as some think) locked-in at a governmental level with whoever the top players are today. Their rules essentially communicates to any tech companies that it’s beneficial for you NOT to be popular in the EU. Stay small, under the radar OR out of the EU, and you gain/maintain quite a wide swath of flexibility as to how to run and grow your business.

Google and Apple may likely see competition OUTSIDE of the EU, but, due to the Gatekeeper rules, whatever that competition is would be wise to skip the EU to avoid the regulation and all of the overhead of trying to make their small upstart company connect to EVERYONE else’s network… on TOP of just trying to make their customers happy.

Well it’s good companies left for not wanting to respect GDPR and user privacy.
ABSOLUTELY agreed! Just like it’ll be good for companies that leave for not wanting to respect DMA.
 
You can always do two things at the same time. Such as a steam PC and steam on other computers.
Steam would makes gaming better on iOS. No more draconian game rules that prevents developer freedoms.
Steam would not make gaming better on iOS. OR, do you assume that, overnight, teams that are well versed in releasing games specifically for Windows and Linux x86 systems (with keyboards and mice) would magically become adept at developing iOS games?

Apple could have done like Intel and make their own CPU architecture.

Or like Tesla to make their own batteries, or like Samsung their own modems and screen technology.
However, if they were in the EU of the future, that CPU architecture would be forced to have features that were not beneficial to Intel’s business, but what the government felt were vital. And Tesla’s batteries would be forced to adhere to voltages and delivery methods tied in the past, unable to innovate. And Samsung’s modems and screen technology would be some iteration of what some regulator thought was the best thing to deliver. Fortunately for ALL those companies, they were not founded in the EU!
 
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Oh but history is full of examples where the company don’t care at all for its consumer. They just don’t have a choice and will do it their way irrespective of what consumers say. And most are in the USA.
Good point! Because history shows that there are NO governments that didn’t care for their constituents! They ALL always had a free choice of where to live, whom to marry, what religion to worship and the borders were always open and free.
 
Another article about why it is better to force Apple to open up:
By the time they “open up” the iPhone, Apple will be well on the way to the next thing. And, it remains to be seen if they release that “next thing” in the EU. We already see quite a number of services that are already US only.
 
Good point! Because history shows that there are NO governments that didn’t care for their constituents! They ALL always had a free choice of where to live, whom to marry, what religion to worship and the borders were always open and free.
People in govt just care about being in power. Anything else is a means to an end.
 
No, they do not.

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Yes, they do. As I said, only for the standard plan which includes access to Netflix games $13.99. In-App purchases only became available when Netflix started offering games. BUT, ya don’t have MY word for it. Download one of the games,
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/netflix-poinpy/id1615093407
click the “sign up” button on the bottom of this screen
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… wait, no. Don’t do that. Because I don’t want you blaming me for having access to what I think is a cool game BUT, having also spent $13.99. :)
 
Probably not. It's easier for malware to get into a PC/Mac than into an iPhone.
It depends how u use it. U can make a separate user account making a kind of sandbox for sensible purposes. While u cant do the same on an iphone. Everyone should have the choice and decide its level of security. But nowadays hi-tech bigs seems knows better what’s better for us...
 
Market dominance isn't required.

Companies operating one or more of the so-called “core platform services” listed in the DMA qualify
as a gatekeeper if they meet the requirements described below. These services are: online
intermediation services such as app stores, online search engines, social networking services, certain
messaging services, video sharing platform services, virtual assistants, web browsers, cloud
computing services, operating systems, online marketplaces, and advertising services.
There are three main criteria that bring a company in the scope of the DMA:

1. A size that impacts the internal market: when the company achieves a certain annual
turnover in the European Economic Area (EEA) and it provides a core platform service in at least
three EU Member States;
2. The control of an important gateway for business users towards final consumers: when
the company provides a core platform service to more than 45 million monthly active end users
established or located in the EU and to more than 10,000 yearly active business users
established in the EU;
3. An entrenched and durable position: in the case the company met the second criterion
during the last three years.

Not a "requirement" which is why I said a CAN (not will) face similar regulatory actions. Dominance, which can be defined different ways from a legal/legislative standpoint, is typically a key factor and Apple controls a notable portion of the mobile OS market (more in some countries than others).



And again, Google doesn't qualify as a gatekeeper because of android OSs, because Google doesn't control android OSs (except for their own hardware such as Pixel). Google would qualify as a gatekeeper for Google Play Services such as the Play Store, messaging, virtual assistant, etc. And search, of course.

Google can have a lot of control of Android, beyond just the Pixel phones, including mandating update minimums, blocking access to updates, etc.
 
But nowadays hi-tech bigs seems knows better what’s better for us...
Seeing as how there’s apparently a large number of people that are fairly regularly buying devices not fully understanding the limitations of those devices, the hi-tech bigs do seem to be right. If someone can’t manage to understand enough about the devices available to buy a device that does what they want it to, how can they be expected to handle the far more complex act of ensuring the security of their device?
 
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They have been encouraging innovation since the beginning. Innovation isn't multiple app stores, lots of malware, scamware, identify theft and race to the bottom for apps etc. That's a by product of an open ecosystem that benefits no one except the scammers.

The EU will find out the meaning of accessibility as the scammers gear themselves up, innovation goes into the toilet, app revenues go downhill etc.


Funny. I've got an Mac Mini and and a Macbook Air I have installed loads of software on them, most it hasn't come from the Mac App store and i've never had any scamware at all.
 
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Seeing as how there’s apparently a large number of people that are fairly regularly buying devices not fully understanding the limitations of those devices, the hi-tech bigs do seem to be right. If someone can’t manage to understand enough about the devices available to buy a device that does what they want it to, how can they be expected to handle the far more complex act of ensuring the security of their device?
its fair that default security settings are those most extreme. but let choose also a lower security for those more expert... hide well these settings, warn with 3000 alerts if changed, but let me choose by myself if i managed to reach those settings. i mean, im fine with a super secure bank account if i have millions on it, but its enough user-pass for my prepaid card with few bucks on it, that i use only to pay netflix...
 
its fair that default security settings are those most extreme. but let choose also a lower security for those more expert... hide well these settings, warn with 3000 alerts if changed, but let me choose by myself if i managed to reach those settings. i mean, im fine with a super secure bank account if i have millions on it, but its enough user-pass for my prepaid card with few bucks on it, that i use only to pay netflix...
I think Android allows that today.
 
Innovation needs the freedom to innovate.
That's a by product of an open ecosystem that benefits no one except the scammers.
You honestly believe that openness and freedom benefits literally "no one" else?
What a sad view of the world you must have.
Some like the feel of these on their neck. Some don't.
As evidenced by this thread, many seem to like the feel of Apple's boots on necks.
 
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Their rules essentially communicates to any tech companies that it’s beneficial for you NOT to be popular in the EU. Stay small, under the radar OR out of the EU, and you gain/maintain quite a wide swath of flexibility as to how to run and grow your business.

Google and Apple may likely see competition OUTSIDE of the EU, but, due to the Gatekeeper rules, whatever that competition is would be wise to skip the EU to avoid the regulation and all of the overhead of trying to make their small upstart company connect to EVERYONE else’s network… on TOP of just trying to make their customers happy.
The DMA's legal presumption of being a gatekeeper begins at
  • having 45 million "monthly active end users" in the Union (more than 1/10 of its entire population) and
  • having an annual turnover of more than 7.5 billion EUR and
  • operating one of handful of select "core platform services" for over 10'000 business users.
I honestly believe that leaves ample for growth, popularity and flexibility - or (more bluntly) making a shitton of money.
Any "small upstart" company would love to run the risk of approaching these thresholds.
 
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Innovation needs the freedom to innovate.

You honestly believe that openness and freedom benefits literally "no one" else?
What a sad view of the world you must have.

As evidenced by this thread, many seem to like the feel of Apple's boots on necks.
More like the feel of Apple's boots upside the heads of those who would do me harm.
 
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