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New HP slate vid shown

JediZenMaster said:
How are apps going to be loaded on to the slate? IS HP going to setup its own store. will you just be able to download executable files from the internet? And will it have 3G or Wifi or both?
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I'm assuming if it's just Windows 7, you'll be able to stick a USB key in it and run an .exe file, access a network share with the installers, attach a USB DVD drive, download from the internet, etc.

I don't see it being any different than a regular Win7 computer, sans an optical drive being built in.

It's not the walled garden that the iPad is.
 
HiRez said:
Nope, it'll be open to the full spectrum of available crap :rolleyes:
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That "walled garden" comment of mine wasn't meant as a dig on the iPad; I personally don't mind the App Store process provided they continue to offer the apps I need to do my job, be productive, and be entertained.
 
NebulaClash said:
The thing is though, you only HAVE to sync the iPad once, and then you can just charge it on its own, get email on its own, buy apps and music and movies on the iPad directly, etc. So while it's nice to resync it from time to time to back up your iPad, it's not a strict requirement.

What will you do with the HP the first time you use it? Right, copy your files onto it somehow.

So in that sense, the experience is similar.
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There is a big difference between that. You can just plug in an external hard rive and drop what you want on it, and remove it just as easy. Or, download your filesnfrom the net. You won't have to sync through your computer to get a document with the slate
 
rtay said:
There is a big difference between that. You can just plug in an external hard rive and drop what you want on it, and remove it just as easy. Or, download your filesnfrom the net. You won't have to sync through your computer to get a document with the slate
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This
 
But remember how many "iphone killers" there were. There was no true one though. I think everyone is going to think this is the "ipad killer". I doubt it will even come close to the Ipad.
 
There will never be an iPad killer (meaning a tablet so good, it kills off the iPad completely). There will be, however, other successful tablets, Android mainly. There will NEVER be a successful Windows 7 tablet.
 
Yeah the OS is key.

Android is the only one out there now that can possibly compete. Don't know any others under production but there might be.. who knows. I know if I had billions of dollars it would be the thing I would be working on.

Microsoft could theoretically do it, but I don't think they logistically or mentally do it.

They just don't seem to get it. I would say their best chance would be to start a department that is made up of people exclusively hired from outside Microsoft (poach Apple, Google whomever). Then lock this people away from the rest of the Microsoft Machinery and let them get to work on a real mobile OS, that is not directly related or based on anything to do with Windows.

I know Microsoft thinks they need to leverage this move via their installed windows base, but they really do not. While they sit around trying to do that, the world is going to pass them by. They will become IBM and have to morph into something completely different from what they once where, because the world will no longer need them.

Microsoft has the resources to build a competitive OS, it just can't be built with current resources, I suspect.
 
As I see it, the iPad OS is too "simple" to make it even close to a laptop replacement for people doing anything else then surfing. What I worry about is that the Slate's OS will be too "complex" to make it work on a mobile device such as the Slate. Pressing small popups that Win 7 loves to give you might be a big hassle. Only time will tell though, we cannot bash it without seeing what they have done.
 
iLiveUdie said:
Looks better than the iPad...
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I've always held that opinion about the HP Slate, but my question is.. how does it perform compared to the iPad? I'm not getting the iPad because I need something to draw on, as I need a serious digital-based drawing device that doesn't have to be connected to a computer like Wacom.

If the slate is laggy, or has poor performance issues.. it doesn't even make any sense for me to even start considering it
 
HP tablet

HP has made many tablets over the last 10 or so years. And yet the iPad which just came out is the competition to beat. As long as HP uses windows as its platform it will suck. I don't know how many tablets HP has sold over the years but I bet they never sold hundreds of thousands on the first day and I might put money on that they never sold a hundred thousand.
 
hamlinspahn said:
HP has made many tablets over the last 10 or so years. And yet the iPad which just came out is the competition to beat. As long as HP uses windows as its platform it will suck. I don't know how many tablets HP has sold over the years but I bet they never sold hundreds of thousands on the first day and I might put money on that they never sold a hundred thousand.
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Why would it be true that it will suck if it uses windows as a platform? For me any iPad that uses iPhone OS as its platform will suck. So it is all about preferences. I don't see why it would be impossible that HP makes a device just as good as the iPad but you could actually use it for something, unlike the iPad.
 
Pared said:
To be fair, there's a lot of crap in the app store as well. :eek:
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True, but there is an App Store for Win7? Will developer really be interested to develop stuff for their tablet?

And people, don't say that a Win7 tablet can run anything that a Win7 Desktop PC does because we all know that is not true because of its limited hardware.
 
Fraaaa said:
True, but there is an App Store for Win7? Will developer really be interested to develop stuff for their tablet?

And people, don't say that a Win7 tablet can run anything that a Win7 Desktop PC does because we all know that is not true because of its limited hardware.
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There doesn't need to be an App Store.

It's still Windows 7. MS dictates the OS, and you can bet anything that would run on a desktop/laptop will run on the slate. Run WELL, is an entirely different story...
 
Davidkoh said:
Why would it be true that it will suck if it uses windows as a platform? For me any iPad that uses iPhone OS as its platform will suck. So it is all about preferences. I don't see why it would be impossible that HP makes a device just as good as the iPad but you could actually use it for something, unlike the iPad.
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Because:

- is not their first tablet.

- is nothing different than a computer without a keyboard.

- the software is not optimize for its hardware.

- there's no App Store(?).

- any other program not made for that will probably(not all of them) will drain all the resources.

- Win 7 already will drain half of the RAM.

- so far they just made mock up of what they will have that iPad doesn't have, and their ads are just animations and not footage of their real product.

- they haven't show anything real yet, and people don't trust MS promises anymore, the rest of them are just hyping about.
 
Fraaaa said:
Because:

- is not their first tablet.
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You got any statistics showing that if a company have made a device in the same segment before that anything new they make will suck? I haven't seen any such statistics.

Fraaaa said:
- is nothing different than a computer without a keyboard.

- the software is not optimize for its hardware.
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These we known nothing about, they got their own GUI, it might work well :)

Fraaaa said:
- there's no App Store(?).
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Why would you need an App Store when you are able to download things in your browser? You could just have a App site instead.

Fraaaa said:
- Win 7 already will drain half of the RAM.
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Will most likely still be more availiable then what the iPad have. I've read reviews saying that if you open 5 heavy websites in safari and go back to the first one it have to reload. So it seems that even there the RAM is filled.

Fraaaa said:
- so far they just made mock up of what they will have that iPad doesn't have, and their ads are just animations and not footage of their real product.

- they haven't show anything real yet, and people don't trust MS promises anymore, the rest of them are just hyping about.
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So thats proof that the actual product will suck? So before Apple showed their iPad we had proof that it would suck because they haden't showed anything real yet?
 
Davidkoh said:
You got any statistics showing that if a company have made a device in the same segment before that anything new they make will suck? I haven't seen any such statistics.



These we known nothing about, they got their own GUI, it might work well :)



Why would you need an App Store when you are able to download things in your browser? You could just have a App site instead.



Will most likely still be more availiable then what the iPad have. I've read reviews saying that if you open 5 heavy websites in safari and go back to the first one it have to reload. So it seems that even there the RAM is filled.



So thats proof that the actual product will suck? So before Apple showed their iPad we had proof that it would suck because they haden't showed anything real yet?
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a. If you haven't seen any "statistics" that any company that makes sucky products will continue to make sucky products then you haven't been living in the commercial world circa 2010.

b. sure it might work well on top of windows 7 with a the pathetic atom and 1gb of memory, like we haven't seen how this works on netbooks without even the added layer. It might work well for a company like hp that has zero experience on designing and implementing ui's.

c. no reason for an app store whatsoever...:rolleyes: no quality control, nothing.

d. wow ram fills up, what a point.... ram fills up in a mac pro with 16gb of memory, so what?

e. Of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating. That doesn't mean that when a product, any product is specked like junk that we can't make an informed guess that it will be junk. We 've seen the atom configurations in myriad of netbooks, we know it's crap, add to that an extra touch layer that's not even a touch layer, an os that is not designed for a mobile appliance and we have a pretty complete picture. But hp of course in their infinite wisdom couldn't go with a modern mobile cpu like an arm cpu, because windoze 7 won't even work on arm cpus... Add ALSO to this that the battery is ridiculous 5 hours, the screen is not ips or oleophobic, there is no ecosystem of applications available, not much or none at all quality control of the apps via an app store, and I think one can make a pretty good assessment of how bad this product it going to be. Haven't we seen enough videos of windows 7 on archos for example to have some understanding of how badly they function on tablets?

And let me also correct this blatently wrong assertion of yours: Apple didn't just show or announce vapourware and mock ups, they showed an actual working device, and they demoed the actual working device as soon as they announced it, jobs demoed it, the developers demoed it, apple staff demoed it, and it was available for anyone to use for a while and demo it just after its launch with a plethora of devices outside the presentation theatre for anyone to get a hands on experience with them. What's wrong with you, didn't you see all that, or are you completely ignoring them just to talk garbage? Apple didn't just spew out a few mock up youtube vids, they had an actual working device for everyone to try out...

And by the way what the heck, is an hp apologist doing in apple forums? I haven't seen apple apologists in hp forums?
 
applesupergeek said:
a. If you haven't seen any "statistics" that any company that makes sucky products will continue to make sucky products then you haven't been living in the commercial world circa 2010.

b. sure it might work well on top of windows 7 with a the pathetic atom and 1gb of memory, like we haven't seen how this works on netbooks without even the added layer. It might work well for a company like hp that has zero experience on designing and implementing ui's.

c. no reason for an app store whatsoever...:rolleyes: no quality control, nothing.

d. wow ram fills up, what a point.... ram fills up in a mac pro with 16gb of memory, so what?

e. Of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating. That doesn't mean that when a product, any product is specked like junk that we can't make an informed guess that it will be junk. We 've seen the atom configurations in myriad of netbooks, we know it's crap, add to that an extra touch layer that's not even a touch layer, an os that is not designed for a mobile appliance and we have a pretty complete picture. But hp of course in their infinite wisdom couldn't go with a modern mobile cpu like an arm cpu, because windoze 7 won't even work on arm cpus... Add ALSO to this that the battery is ridiculous 5 hours, the screen is not ips or oleophobic, there is no ecosystem of applications available, not much or none at all quality control of the apps via an app store, and I think one can make a pretty good assessment of how bad this product it going to be. Haven't we seen enough videos of windows 7 on archos for example to have some understanding of how badly they function on tablets?

And let me also correct this blatently wrong assertion of yours: Apple didn't just show or announce vapourware and mock ups, they showed an actual working device, and they demoed the actual working device as soon as they announced it, jobs demoed it, the developers demoed it, apple staff demoed it, and it was available for anyone to use for a while and demo it just after its launch with a plethora of devices outside the presentation theatre for anyone to get a hands on experience with them. What's wrong with you, didn't you see all that, or are you completely ignoring them just to talk garbage? Apple didn't just spew out a few mock up youtube vids, they had an actual working device for everyone to try out...

And by the way what the heck, is an hp apologist doing in apple forums? I haven't seen apple apologists in hp forums?
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a. That is not logical, most companies had sucky products before getting their good products in place.

b. I've seen netbooks that run quite good with Atom CPU and an SSD drive.

d. The point was that sites started to reload with only 5 sites open.

e. What im saying is that we do not know anything about if the HP will suck or not.

I am really an Apple guy having owned iPhones since they were released and updating my Mac every year, but that doesn't mean that everything Apple produces is good, and that everything for exampel HP produces sucks. We still have to check the actual products.
 
Davidkoh said:
These we known nothing about, they got their own GUI, it might work well :)
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It looks just like their existing touchsmart interface which in fact does suck. I was one of those suckers who bought one, so I know. If I could do it again, I would have just bought a Dell.

Once you leave the tiny HP walled garden, everything else is going to be terribly unusable. No one is going to bother to write or rewrite Windows apps for this thing unless it gets iPad-like sales figures, and it's not going to get those sales figures until those apps get written. HP has sold a lot of touchsmart devices to date and their walled garden has barely grown.
 
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