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It looks just like their existing touchsmart interface which in fact does suck. I was one of those suckers who bought one, so I know. If I could do it again, I would have just bought a Dell.

Once you leave the tiny HP walled garden, everything else is going to be terribly unusable. No one is going to bother to write or rewrite Windows apps for this thing unless it gets iPad-like sales figures, and it's not going to get those sales figures until those apps get written. HP has sold a lot of touchsmart devices to date and their walled garden has barely grown.

Is it really the same touchscreen? I know the desktop touchsmarts use lasers around the screen, was it those you were thinking about? I do not know if the laptops share the same touch interface as this one.

We will see, what i'd want is still Apple to make a OS X based device with a iPhone OS on top really :) So you can use both together.
 
a. That is not logical, most companies had sucky products before getting their good products in place.

b. I've seen netbooks that run quite good with Atom CPU and an SSD drive.

d. The point was that sites started to reload with only 5 sites open.

e. What im saying is that we do not know anything about if the HP will suck or not.

I am really an Apple guy having owned iPhones since they were released and updating my Mac every year, but that doesn't mean that everything Apple produces is good, and that everything for exampel HP produces sucks. We still have to check the actual products.

a. Sorry, David, you have a great name btw of a great king, anyway, sorry, but companies have a tradition of either sucky or good products, and sucky product companies don't usually come up with good ones. Good companies don't just issue sucky products that eventually become good, they issue good products that become great ones.

b. Well I don't know what you mean by quite good, sure there are some out there that are half decent (sony's say) that incorporate 2gbs of ram and a super fast ssd, and can make do with these. These btw cost DOUBLE the suggested price for the ipad and the hp. But this hp product is going to have a slow flash storage and the bare minimum in ram of 1gb, plus it will have to be slimmer than the netbooks and it's unlikely it will manage the thermals of the atom well, seeing as the atom consumes about 10 times as much an arm, and gets hot accordingly.

c. Try looking at some win 7 archos tablets to get an idea of what the problem is going to be like for the hp...these things are barely functional.

d. We do know David, we have seen the specs, we can make an informed guess. There's a chance maybe we might be wrong, but it's a very, very slim one. How wrong can we be when the specs use a passable at best cpu, barebones ram (fow win 7 that is), an os that is not optimized for touch, as os that is not optimized for mobility, hardware and software that (unlike the ipad) are not optimized on a code level to work together, a battery that is half that of the ipad in duration, a screen that is of worse quality and size, and we also have hp's complete lack of available apps or developer interest so far, and their complete inexperience with ui design... I think it's a safe bet, it will take a small miracle for this thing to be any good.

There are good devices out there, the e-ink plastic logic que reader while different in scope to the ipad, is one very promising device for example.

The hp by all evidence we have just isn't. Simple as that.

We do have to check them still, but we can't because we are handed mock ups instead of actual products from hp. How hard is it to assemble a damn atom tablet without the keyboard...

Remember David that Acer has walked out by their own admission from the tablet market, and in their statement they said they couldn't find opportunities to compete. Their ceo said that.

That's saying a lot, it's saying they can't undercut in price (selling cheaper inferior devices - and that was apple's mastery here, they pushed the prices far too low to allow room for people to compete - leveraging their discounts in bulk equipment, their mature os platform, their integration of hardware and software, etc. etc.), they can't offer comparable specs, they can't offer comparable hardware and software integration, they don't have an app store, they don't have a tablet optimized OS. Acer have been wise here. Hp are after the small % of the die hard pc crowd who see red and are on the verge of nervous breakdown when they hear the name apple, and frequent moronic sites such as engadget. They will get their cut for sure, but they won't be making much money out of it, and they won't be offering a decent product.
 
a. Sorry, David, you have a great name btw of a great king, anyway, sorry, but companies have a tradition of either sucky or good products, and sucky product companies don't usually come up with good ones. Good companies don't just issue sucky products that eventually become good, they issue good products that become great ones.

b. Well I don't know what you mean by quite good, sure there are some out there that are half decent (sony's say) that incorporate 2gbs of ram and a super fast ssd, and can make do with these. These btw cost DOUBLE the suggested price for the ipad and the hp. But this hp product is going to have a slow flash storage and the bare minimum in ram of 1gb, plus it will have to be slimmer than the netbooks and it's unlikely it will manage the thermals of the atom well, seeing as the atom consumes about 10 times as much an arm, and gets hot accordingly.

c. Try looking at some win 7 archos tablets to get an idea of what the problem is going to be like for the hp...these things are barely functional.

d. We do know David, we have seen the specs, we can make an informed guess. There's a chance maybe we might be wrong, but it's a very, very slim one. How wrong can we be when the specs use a passable at best cpu, barebones ram (fow win 7 that is), an os that is not optimized for touch, as os that is not optimized for mobility, hardware and software that (unlike the ipad) are not optimized on a code level to work together, a battery that is half that of the ipad in duration, a screen that is of worse quality and size, and we also have hp's complete lack of available apps or developer interest so far, and their complete inexperience with ui design... I think it's a safe bet, it will take a small miracle for this thing to be any good.

There are good devices out there, the e-ink plastic logic que reader while different in scope to the ipad, is one very promising device for example.

The hp by all evidence we have just isn't. Simple as that.

We do have to check them still, but we can't because we are handed mock ups instead of actual products from hp. How hard is it to assemble a damn atom tablet without the keyboard...

Remember David that Acer has walked out by their own admission from the tablet market, and in their statement they said they couldn't find opportunities to compete. Their ceo said that.

That's saying a lot, it's saying they can't undercut in price (selling cheaper inferior devices - and that was apple's mastery here, they pushed the prices far too low to allow room for people to compete - leveraging their discounts in bulk equipment, their mature os platform, their integration of hardware and software, etc. etc.), they can't offer comparable specs, they can't offer comparable hardware and software integration, they don't have an app store, they don't have a tablet optimized OS. Acer have been wise here. Hp are after the small % of the die hard pc crowd who see red and are on the verge of nervous breakdown when they hear the name apple, and frequent moronic sites such as engadget. They will get their cut for sure, but they won't be making much money out of it, and they won't be offering a decent product.


a. So you are saying that every company today (even Apple) started with great products? No not really, they have grown into their roles.

b. What could be a problem is the RAM I guess, we will have to see, I doubt it though.

d. Oh, I wasn't aware of that you knew which type of distribution that could explain the chance of the Slate being good. Please tell me which and I can do some calculations ;). It is quite possible that HP has done their own GUI that works good, and with the right drivers you could make the touch work. Maybe not for the casual gamer, but not everyone play games either ;).

If they can solve touchscreen for music players and the normal Apps like messaging, browser, photos and such, it is atleast on the same level as the iPad. (Not overall ofc, im just saying that if they can get touchscreen to work properly within these Apps they are comparable in that aspect, the iPad will still have better battery life, have a better design and such).

By the way, I do not think it will be selling more then the iPad. But it might not be a sucky product that is useless. If the touchscreen work for browsing, text editing and such, I would be happy. That means I could have it as my only computing device on short trips :).
 
Yo may have a point but at least the WiFi will work!

I am sure it's gonna work...

can't get wifi to work on windows 7

I had a similar drama, and found that Windows 7 does not properly support the WPA, WPA2 encryptions (either AES or TKIP). I've had to drop my encryption down to WEP to achieve connectivity. Hope this helps.
Paul T.

WEP? Great, now half the neighborhood is getting a free ride on your broadband network and files...
 
I am extremely certain that the HP device will bomb. 5 hours of purported battery life = 3 hours in real world usage, and the touchsmart system will in no way be as smoothly executed as apple's iphone os.

The HP device will do what it claims to be able to do, but the experience will not be gratifying. If people aren't gratified with the touch experience, they're just going to bring a laptop.

I just can't imagine people buying an HP device in large numbers. The Zune HD is a solid player and even that isn't selling nearly as well as the ipod touch. So an even less polished product from HP will be DOA. On a related note, the Joo Joo must be the worst-timed device in history, and whichever VC firm backed them deserves to lose their money b/c they clearly had not done their homework. They didn't even attend class.
 
This is what the iPad SHOULD HAVE been. But, Apple wants too much control and more profit from their products.

I'll be waiting for this device to launch. It has everything the iPad should have:

So now that this is on hold, which iPad "killer" are you waiting on now?
 
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