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Excellent post!

Sorry the spirit of competition and self improvement seems to escape so many users here.
BTW, I've seen several variations of that Sony and the build quality is superb - at least here in Japan it is. But Sony has been making all in one units like this since there were LCD screens and probably before. I'm always incredibly impressed with the LCD quality on the Sony all-in-ones. The display graphics look like they were offset printed right onto the screen. I don't like all-in-one machines but the Sony always had me trying to make up excuses for how I could get one anyway. That it's $700 cheaper for basically the same spec is impressive I think.

Anyway, that's for the information Perfectionist!


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I've been using Windows 7 beta for 3 months now. It's not so "cool", just new Vista. Okay it's lighter and faster but it's still Windows, you need those antivirus programms etc.
True, but OSX is virus free only because it has such a small market share (especially in the business sector) meaning few hackers pay it any attention ..... it's not because the OS is invulnerable ..... :apple:

OS X beats W7 100-0
Absolutely !! And it probably always will no matter what MS does !! But then BetaMax was better than VHS too ..... ;)

Vista is slow and sluggish, Xp is much faster and efficient. Windows 7 is nothing more than Vista tweaked to get back at Xp's speed, but a little faster. So basically, after 8 years, all that Microsoft is offering is Xp with a new interface and a minimal performance improvement.
Totally agree ..... never the less, it will spur the sales of a lot of hardware ..... and steal potential revenue from Apple .....

The thing that makes a Mac a Mac is OS-X. If you don't value that you can get a good PC for less than $500. It even comes pre-downgraded to Microsoft's 8 year old operating system
Yes, but only to an extent ..... first time computer buyers are still swayed by the hardware far more than the software ..... and of course the relative cost .....
 
True, but OSX is virus free only because it has such a small market share (especially in the business sector) meaning few hackers pay it any attention ..... it's not because the OS is invulnerable ..... :apple:

That's ONE of the reasons...but actually OS X is a lot safer than Windows by itself. Windows fails in security from the simple fact that everything either runs with root privileges or you get popups about just about every single thing that every single programs makes (and which forces you to turn off that feature as it brings no extra security at all). There are a lot of good articles about the OS X Malware myth, like this here:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/29/the-mac-malware-myth/

Yes, but only to an extent ..... first time computer buyers are still swayed by the hardware far more than the software ..... and of course the relative cost .....

Too bad... It's sad that many many people don't see the advantages of OS X and jumps quickly to conclusions... Perhaps if Apple had more users, it would change.
 
Haha i'd have to for sure agree with you mate, Why would the govt be spying on Mac users? We are the Perfectionists.
Apple buyers are probably the more "independent" thinkers in society who don't want to follow the crowd or have any need to conform to the masses ..... it means we are the kind of anti-establishment rebels that "they" would have to to eliminate !! :D
 
none of these AIO are new. they have been out for quite some time now, and still dont pull enough traffic to them to be much of a "threat" to mac.

to top things off. this is just another thread of "steve didnt give me what i wanted".
 
agreed. apple won't ever please this guy! forget about it.
LOL !! I bet you used to say that to people who wished Apple would make a cell-phone !! :rolleyes:

why don't you go buy one of the all in one PCs you showed us? nobody is forcing you to buy the new iMac.
Nobody is forcing me to be happy with the recent update either !! :p

Why is this PC user even on this forum??? Hahaha
Cos I have a MacBook ..... and am thinking about getting an iMac ..... why are you on this forum ??

Unfortunately, the problem lies in how Apple will never listen to them/us/the hardware loving crowd.:(
I think this thread shows a big factor in the problem ..... Fanboys who follow Apple almost like a religion ..... instead of just seeing them as makers/designers of useful products .....

This means Apple has much less incentive to innovate and compete with the wider PC market as they know they will always have a rabidly loyal customer base who will buy whatever they produce .....

Excellent post!
WTF !! You must be one of those Non-Fanboys I've heard rumours about !! :eek:

Sorry the spirit of competition and self improvement seems to escape so many users here.
It does indeed ..... saying that Steve is not Jesus can get you crucified around here !! :D

BTW, I've seen several variations of that Sony and the build quality is superb - at least here in Japan it is. But Sony has been making all in one units like this since there were LCD screens and probably before. I'm always incredibly impressed with the LCD quality on the Sony all-in-ones. The display graphics look like they were offset printed right onto the screen. I don't like all-in-one machines but the Sony always had me trying to make up excuses for how I could get one anyway. That it's $700 cheaper for basically the same spec is impressive I think.

Anyway, that's for the information Perfectionist!
Yup the Sony is the one to beat ..... the only thing it really lacks is a decent graphics card ..... in 12 months they may well release an LV2 with this remedied as well as the usual bumps up in CPU/RAM/HDD ..... if they can keep the price as sharp as it is now, it'll be a package that will rake in business ..... there's a massive pent-up demand for an AIO that isn't a "compromise" .....

I sincerely hope Steve has got something special up his sleeve for next year ..... with the economy in free-fall, "premium" products with "premium" prices are gonna be a tough sell .....
 
LOL !! I bet you used to say that to people who wished Apple would make a cell-phone !! :rolleyes:

Nobody is forcing me to be happy with the recent update either !! :p

Of course no one is forcing you to be happy with the recent update.

First of all, the iPhone could be smelt 6 months before it was released with the rampant rumors. The iPhone story has nothing to do with the current topic.

Apple won't ever put a TV tuner into its Mac. Why would it do that when it's trying to sell you TV shows through iTunes?

Apple is starting to forget about physical media. Because of this, no SD card slot.

Better graphics card? Sure, why not.

iSight lens cover? This would ruin the aesthetic, and would be pretty inconvenient.

So yes, it's clear you're unhappy about the update, but apple really can't (and won't ever) please everybody.
 
Contrary to popular belief, there are tens of millions of iPod users that only use PCs. They get roped in with the iPod forums and then branch out with legitimate suggestions on how Apple can improve their computers.

Unfortunately, the problem lies in how Apple will never listen to them/us/the hardware loving crowd.:(

Well I support a PC user IF they have an iPod. :p

Yoshi
 
True, but OSX is virus free only because it has such a small market share (especially in the business sector) meaning few hackers pay it any attention ..... it's not because the OS is invulnerable ..... :apple:

Absolutely !! And it probably always will no matter what MS does !! But then BetaMax was better than VHS too ..... ;)

Sorry mate but it's alot harder to hack because of it's Unix roots. It may have a smaller market share BUT is the better computer always.
OSX ftw please.

Yoshi
 
Too bad... It's sad that many many people don't see the advantages of OS X and jumps quickly to conclusions... Perhaps if Apple had more users, it would change.
Chicken and Egg ;)

Not when their marketshare is about 9 to 1 to begin with, I don't.
Apple was a major in the beginning ..... :)

none of these AIO are new. they have been out for quite some time now, and still dont pull enough traffic to them to be much of a "threat" to mac.
Nah ..... all their previous attempts at an AIO were abysmal and not a patch on the iMac ..... now they are getting almost as good as Steve !! :cool:

to top things off. this is just another thread of "steve didnt give me what i wanted".
You bet your ass it is !! :p

First of all, the iPhone could be smelt 6 months before it was released with the rampant rumors. The iPhone story has nothing to do with the current topic.
The point being that people wanted Apple to produce a phone for years ..... and they did eventually ..... they wanted 3G ..... and they made it happen !! :)

Until then, guys like you would say just what you said to me before ..... Apple will never please you ..... go buy a Nokia !! :p

Apple won't ever put a TV tuner into its Mac. Why would it do that when it's trying to sell you TV shows through iTunes?

Apple is starting to forget about physical media. Because of this, no SD card slot.

Better graphics card? Sure, why not.

iSight lens cover? This would ruin the aesthetic, and would be pretty inconvenient.
All true ..... but .....

People do want a TV Tuner which is why independent manufactures are making money supplying them ..... Apple could cut them out and divert that revenue to themselves by offering this feature as an Option .....

Physical Media surely will die when kickass broadband and the "cloud" really takes off ..... but that is years away (probably even further away now that the economy is in a downward spiral) ..... they should offer SD and BluRay as an Option ..... Apple is losing sales in the meantime .....

As far as the iSight is concerned, that's no big deal really as the iPatch solves the problem for 5 bucks ..... however, WebCams started off having a Lens Cover and now that there is so much paranoia about the Government and NWO etc, they may well come back in demand !! :D

Now give me one good reason why Apple cant make a matching Mouse and Remote ?? ;)

So yes, it's clear you're unhappy about the update, but apple really can't (and won't ever) please everybody.
Indeed ..... but they could at least "try" to please more people ..... their market share clearly shows they aren't !! :apple:

Sorry mate but it's alot harder to hack because of it's Unix roots. It may have a smaller market share BUT is the better computer always.
OSX ftw please.
Not according to Non-MacGeeks !!

Apple OS X more vulnerable than Vista

OSX and Linux are more vulnerable than Windows

Apple Displaces Microsoft in Patch Reports

Never the less, OSX still pwns Windows :D

You've been thinking about getting an iMac for two years now, waiting for it to be "perfect" according to your criteria.
Actually it's been almost three years ..... unfortunately Apple doesn't want my money !! :mad:
 
I think a built in memory card reader would be a nice touch. Its by no means a deal breaker not having one on the imac but as mac users are generally perceived to be using their macs for creative purposes it would make sense. Im sure most of us have digital cameras and while i can just use the usb cable to transfer photos i would prefer to be able to pop in the SD card.
 
Isn't it a MacBook in the Sony's animated gif?

Surely looks like it lol
 

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Watch this video, VERY good and Informative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS4Pt6hhECY

He seems to be mostly correct! The only sticking points with me is that the Quad-Core will beat any Dual-Core regardless of price, and I don't know if DDR3 is that much better. But otherwise, he makes the very good points that as an AIO computer, the iMac is very well priced and specced. It is amusing that the Dell with its Quad-Core is still paired up with integrated graphics.

I still feel that apple's lower end products (like Mac Mini and iPod Shuffle) are still overpriced.
 
He seems to be mostly correct! The only sticking points with me is that the Quad-Core will beat any Dual-Core regardless of price, and I don't know if DDR3 is that much better. But otherwise, he makes the very good points that as an AIO computer, the iMac is very well priced and specced. It is amusing that the Dell with its Quad-Core is still paired up with integrated graphics.

I still feel that apple's lower end products (like Mac Mini and iPod Shuffle) are still overpriced.

I agree, my thoughts exactly. LOL about the integrated graphics with Quad Core I thought they would get something better.


I really like this guy, SoliderKnowsBest, he does heaps of apple reviews and he is always charismatic and logical, with good editing.
 
Good video.

I think he should have also said that in everyday use, most people will not see the slightest bit of difference from a quad core to a dual core.

I have a quad 9550 on my PC desktop, and it replaced an e6750 duo. Both are/were overclocked to 3.6Ghz. Difference in day to day usage... nil.

Only a couple of select applications take advantage of the quad (and they are games on the PC). Video encoding/blending... now there is an area etc that will benefit.

Overall though his comparison is valid ..... the iMac probably does offer good value compared to the all-in-ones available from dell and HP.

Cant argue with that. Its still expensive though! And in the UK its now astronomically priced. The currency may have devalued somewhat, but people's wages are still the same.... making it very expensive.

Plus when our £ was at 2x the $, we never saw the advantages of that... hence why so many people in the UK are angry.

£1800 for practically the same machine it replaced (£1350) is nothing short of daylight robbery !
 
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Watch this video, VERY good and Informative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS4Pt6hhECY

He seems to be mostly correct! The only sticking points with me is that the Quad-Core will beat any Dual-Core regardless of price, and I don't know if DDR3 is that much better. But otherwise, he makes the very good points that as an AIO computer, the iMac is very well priced and specced. It is amusing that the Dell with its Quad-Core is still paired up with integrated graphics.

I still feel that apple's lower end products (like Mac Mini and iPod Shuffle) are still overpriced.

I agree, my thoughts exactly. LOL about the integrated graphics with Quad Core I thought they would get something better.

I really like this guy, SoliderKnowsBest, he does heaps of apple reviews and he is always charismatic and logical, with good editing.
That video is comparing the older models ..... the present iMac is unfortunately lacking in many areas and becomes very expensive when adding the options ...... check my updated Table ..... :(
 
The iMac has a 1.3 Mp webcam
The speakers are 24 w

Oh and you should state "Fully functional 64-bit system",the iMac having the only one (considering that you didn't consider having OS X as an advantage)
 
The iMac has a 1.3 Mp webcam
The speakers are 24 w
Thanks dude !! Couldn't find the info anywhere on the Apple website !! :)

Oh and you should state "Fully functional 64-bit system",the iMac having the only one (considering that you didn't consider having OS X as an advantage)
OSX is definitely an advantage in how much nicer and easier it is to use ..... but at the same time it has disadvantages, like nowhere near the software available ..... overall, it's a tie ..... ;)

Same goes for 64-bit ..... yes it is faster in certain applications ..... but it also has disadvantages too ..... and is mainly of benefit when using more than 4Gb Ram, which none of the models in the Table do ..... again, tie ..... ;)

Besides, it's more of a Hardware comparison than anything to do with Software ..... :)
 
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