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I have Windows 7 64-bit beta in my laptop, it runs smoothly. It's laggy sometimes, because my laptop isn't the best (see specs below). Better than Vista but still 10 years behind OS X.

Why Microsoft even brings that crappy 32-bit OS? All processors are 64-bit nowadays.

10 years behind OS X? Interesting, they fundamentally do the same tasks. Is Windows 7 too complicated for you? If anything, its the closest to OS X that its ever has been.

The processors that Apple uses support 64-bit, and yet they run a 32-bit system... MS runs a 32 bit os cause alot of people do not need a 64-bit system and thier software needs are still based on software that is only supported on 32-bit. Same goes for quad cores, waste of feakin time when your software is build to run on one core
 
Price, marketing/mindshare, corporate/enterprise business contracts. Dell was the low price bidder for my company of 60,000, so they got the contract. Same reason why Verizon is our corporate cell phone service / hardware provider.
You mean overall "value" ..... companies take everything in to account when purchasing ..... initial price, maintenance cost, quality, reliability, usability, productivity increase/decrease, compatibility, after-sales support, past experience, delivery time etc etc ..... Dell may not be the "best" in every category, but as a package they offer a pretty good deal to business's .....
 

Well another reason to stay away from Appleinsider, their editorial standards have plummeted lately.

How on earth is iLife a feature?
The Mid-range mac has 24" LED?
Weight is missing for the HP
A 2.66 Duo v 2.33 Quad...and the 2.66 is winner...( yet again task dependent)
They omit to highlight where the competitors have a better feature then the imac, take the ram on the low end model, HP has 4 Gig.
And all the "other" are based on iMac full features minus the TV tuner, completely ignoring all the other features of the Dell and HP

Yair Reniner of Oppenheimer & co are idiots for putting such a pathetic comparison together, Appleinsider are also idiots for publishing such crap,

I would buy an Imac over the other machines but this comparison is just hirse *****....
 
FAIL. You do know that the top notebook makers, of 2007 are

Dell
HP
Apple
Gateway
Acer

SONY is not on that list
http://www.pcworld.com/article/136257/apples_laptop_market_share_climbs.html

The 2008 list is similar.

In addition, Apple gaining notebook share in 2008.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10044204-37.html

You know you can get better sources for sales then random short articles.

And you might want to find out how they polled the results, and in which sector etc.
 
I think the touchscreen feature on the HP is really cool but there aren't many apps that support it and I didn't want to shell out that kind of money to play touchscreen solitare. Also, those little plastic feet are just ugly; the whole thing looks like a tablet PC that got stood on its side.
 
A mac is not just about the pieces. Agreed, I don't want crappie pieces, but just because one computer has something more, doesn't necessarily make it a better computer.

That said, we shouldn't stop demanding of apple the best mac they can make- but just not demand that the best apple be a pc.
 
More trolling....
Fanboys ...... consider any criticism/disappointment with an Apple product, to be trolling !! :rolleyes:


A mac is not just about the pieces. Agreed, I don't want crappie pieces, but just because one computer has something more, doesn't necessarily make it a better computer.
Why not ?? Is the top end 24" iMac a better computer then the low end 20" ?? :confused:

That said, we shouldn't stop demanding of apple the best mac they can make-
Exactly !! :)

but just not demand that the best apple be a pc.
How does wishing an iMac had more features and was better priced, make it in to a PC ?? :confused:
 
You mean overall "value" ..... companies take everything in to account when purchasing ..... initial price, maintenance cost, quality, reliability, usability, productivity increase/decrease, compatibility, after-sales support, past experience, delivery time etc etc ..... Dell may not be the "best" in every category, but as a package they offer a pretty good deal to business's .....

They are supposed to take "value" into consideration, but after working for a big company for 20+ years, and selling/marketing b2b pretty much that whole time, I can attest that it is more often "cost" than "value".

I have had my Dimension 2 years - in that period of time I have had to get the wireless card (and hence the whole motherboard as it is integrated) replaced once, the keyboard twice (no spillage, just failed parts), the bezel around the screen replaced once (all done through Dell's contract field service with a 2-day turn-around), and have had to send it into our corporate IT department three times as the password cache had become corrupted and locked me out (and their backdoor passwords didn't work either). Each of the field repairs took three days (1 day for the call, 1 day to schedule, and one day to perform the repair), and each time I sent it in to my IT department I was without a PC for the better part of the week, and paid overnight insured shipping each way ($100 per trip). So the out of pocket shipping/insurance costs were $600, and my loss of use was 24 days.

My experience mirrors the other folks who work remote, so how much is Dell saving us in the long run? They may talk a good game about up-front costs being reduced due to leasing, great local support, end-of-life options, etc. but in the end it is costing real $$.
 
They are supposed to take "value" into consideration, but after working for a big company for 20+ years, and selling/marketing b2b pretty much that whole time, I can attest that it is more often "cost" than "value".

I have had my Dimension 2 years - in that period of time I have had to get the wireless card (and hence the whole motherboard as it is integrated) replaced once, the keyboard twice (no spillage, just failed parts), the bezel around the screen replaced once (all done through Dell's contract field service with a 2-day turn-around), and have had to send it into our corporate IT department three times as the password cache had become corrupted and locked me out (and their backdoor passwords didn't work either). Each of the field repairs took three days (1 day for the call, 1 day to schedule, and one day to perform the repair), and each time I sent it in to my IT department I was without a PC for the better part of the week, and paid overnight insured shipping each way ($100 per trip). So the out of pocket shipping/insurance costs were $600, and my loss of use was 24 days.

My experience mirrors the other folks who work remote, so how much is Dell saving us in the long run? They may talk a good game about up-front costs being reduced due to leasing, great local support, end-of-life options, etc. but in the end it is costing real $$.

I agree mike, though this goes for anyone. An apple is just a PC in a fancy case these days, the guts are the same. Apple does not use better components in its computers, they do not get better CPU, GPUs HD etc the same gear in a Dell can be found in a mac. In regards to support, if you are near an apple store your set, if you are working remote, your in the same boat. Problem with Apples is that they do not send you parts to fix your laptop, you need to send it away, if have been on business trips where my Dell has failed and they have send me a new HD, apple does not do that. Though apple have great customer service, when i send it in to get fixed....it takes along time.
 
That said, we shouldn't stop demanding of apple the best mac they can make- but just not demand that the best apple be a pc.

Do you actually believe Apple cares about your 'demands'? You are in no position to demand anything of Apple, the company doesn't cater to your computer wants or needs, which are irrelevant to its bottom line. You will buy what his holiness Steve Jobs has ordained, what his hardware whims and choices are, nothing else. If you want OSX you must drink the Kool-Aid of limited hardware selection, or be cast out of the Big Brother cult and left to the vagaries of a Hackintosh.

That Apple Super Bowl commercial from 1984 has now become so ironic.
 
The processors that Apple uses support 64-bit, and yet they run a 32-bit system...

A 32 bit system which perfectly runs 64-bit software, and which will fully be 64-bit with Snow Leopard.

If anything, its the closest to OS X that its ever has been.

It is, yet OS X is much more easy to use and usable. A copy is still a copy. The original is the best.

MS runs a 32 bit os cause alot of people do not need a 64-bit system and thier software needs are still based on software that is only supported on 32-bit.

I'd say that, especially with the BIG hog caused by Vista and Windows 7, more and more people would be happy not to be limited to 3 GB of RAM.

If Microsoft WANTED, they could force developers to make 64-bit drivers, but obviously they're either too stupid or perhaps they're just too stupid.
 
I think the touchscreen feature on the HP is really cool but there aren't many apps that support it and I didn't want to shell out that kind of money to play touchscreen solitare.

The TouchSmart doesn't work too well. You get tired quickly from having your arms extended tapping the screen and the way HP recessed the touchscreen panel means that tapping in the corners (where the Windows start menu button is) is awkward. The TouchSmart should really be positioned much lower than a regular monitor so you can rest your hands on the table while using it.
 
Here's the full advantage list of the iMac:

*Better design
*Fastest processor (3.06 and not 3 GHz, minimal difference, but still faster)
*Lightest:

Weight

iMac 24": 11.5 Kg
Sony Vaio: 15.4 Kg
XPS One 24: 18 Kg
HP TouchSmart: 26.31 kg

*Best GPU: Both the GT 130 (aka 9800M GTS) and probably the Radeon will outperform all the others GPU (unless they're super underclocked):

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

*And most important, the OS: Mac OS X

So really, when it comes to performance and design the iMac is better than all the other All-in-ones mentioned here.

That is an incorrect statement, the Sony CPU would be better and faster because of the faster FSB (1333 compared to 1066)
 
I agree mike, though this goes for anyone. An apple is just a PC in a fancy case these days, the guts are the same. Apple does not use better components in its computers, they do not get better CPU, GPUs HD etc the same gear in a Dell can be found in a mac.

My 2 dell's, my sisters dell, my fathers dell, my wife's dell, her sister, father, boyfriend and all of my friends have ALL had problems with their dells. Apples parts are not perfect but they are far from Dell quality...

My history with Apple is again not perfect but you do get what you pay for. And if other people didn't agree then Apple would have gone out of business a long time ago.
 
My 2 dell's, my sisters dell, my fathers dell, my wife's dell, her sister, father, boyfriend and all of my friends have ALL had problems with their dells. Apples parts are not perfect but they are far from Dell quality...

My history with Apple is again not perfect but you do get what you pay for. And if other people didn't agree then Apple would have gone out of business a long time ago.

They may only agree on the OS though. Apple is providing two items.

As for Dell, I've owned them for years and only had one issue. I think a lot goes into the treatment of the computer, regardless of manufacturer.
 
They may only agree on the OS though. Apple is providing two items.

As for Dell, I've owned them for years and only had one issue. I think a lot goes into the treatment of the computer, regardless of manufacturer.

Our entire building uses Dells and I have never heard of any hardware problems at all. Software problems at times, but thats mostly user error. This is just an example, you can't say all Dell's are made poorly, you get what you pay for. You buy a cheap low end Dell you get cheap parts, you buy nice mid range to high range Dells you get mid to high range parts.
 
Our entire building uses Dells and I have never heard of any hardware problems at all. Software problems at times, but thats mostly user error. This is just an example, you can't say all Dell's are made poorly, you get what you pay for. You buy a cheap low end Dell you get cheap parts, you buy nice mid range to high range Dells you get mid to high range parts.

My experience is with the Latitude D Class, the so-called enterprise class, of laptops. They promote these as "best return for IT spend", so I would expect at least middle-of-the-road parts as if not, they will get hammered with maintenance costs.
 
Other manufacturers are gaining on the svelte and sexy looks of Apple .....

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Dell XPS One 24
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HP TouchSmart IQ-820
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Sony VAIO VGC-LV1S
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And they are definitely beating Apple on Features and Price .....

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My point being ............. WHAT A CRAPPY UPDATE STEVE!! :mad: :rolleyes: :( :eek: :apple:

(Just wanted to get that off my chest :eek:)


agree with the statement.
 
They are supposed to take "value" into consideration, but after working for a big company for 20+ years, and selling/marketing b2b pretty much that whole time, I can attest that it is more often "cost" than "value".
In that case you must work for a very badly managed company dude !! ;)

Efficiency gives a business competitive edge and is the key to success ..... and financially that usually means that cost = value :)


I have had my Dimension 2 years - in that period of time I have had to get the wireless card (and hence the whole motherboard as it is integrated) replaced once, the keyboard twice (no spillage, just failed parts), the bezel around the screen replaced once (all done through Dell's contract field service with a 2-day turn-around), and have had to send it into our corporate IT department three times as the password cache had become corrupted and locked me out (and their backdoor passwords didn't work either). Each of the field repairs took three days (1 day for the call, 1 day to schedule, and one day to perform the repair), and each time I sent it in to my IT department I was without a PC for the better part of the week, and paid overnight insured shipping each way ($100 per trip). So the out of pocket shipping/insurance costs were $600, and my loss of use was 24 days.

My experience mirrors the other folks who work remote, so how much is Dell saving us in the long run? They may talk a good game about up-front costs being reduced due to leasing, great local support, end-of-life options, etc. but in the end it is costing real $$.

My 2 dell's, my sisters dell, my fathers dell, my wife's dell, her sister, father, boyfriend and all of my friends have ALL had problems with their dells. Apples parts are not perfect but they are far from Dell quality...

My history with Apple is again not perfect but you do get what you pay for. And if other people didn't agree then Apple would have gone out of business a long time ago.
I find comments like these fascinating ..... sure Dell etc are not perfect but for most people/companies, most of the time, their products do a good job ..... it is simply impossible for a company to grow as big as they have and to have the revenues they do, if all they produced was crap !! ;)

Don't forget that Dell and indeed Apple are not really "manufacturers" ..... they are more like "assemblers" ...... they buy the Motherboard, RAM, CPU, GPU, HDD, DVD, LCD, PSU etc from other manufactures and package them all together in a final product ..... plus most of these components are made in China and the Far East ..... many parts that both Apple and Dell use are most probably made in the very same factory !! :D


Do you actually believe Apple cares about your 'demands'? You are in no position to demand anything of Apple, the company doesn't cater to your computer wants or needs, which are irrelevant to its bottom line. You will buy what his holiness Steve Jobs has ordained, what his hardware whims and choices are, nothing else. If you want OSX you must drink the Kool-Aid of limited hardware selection, or be cast out of the Big Brother cult and left to the vagaries of a Hackintosh.

That Apple Super Bowl commercial from 1984 has now become so ironic.
All true ..... but I think it is the army of Fanboys that have "spoilt" Apple in this regard ..... if Apple buyers were more critical and unyielding of the products instead of just worshipping the brand and constantly making excuses justifying certain minor/major failings ..... then Steve would HAVE to care about our demands !! :apple:

As it is, Apple know that they have a captive audience who will buy whatever they are given !! :D
 
Those 100-button remotes these Windoze all-in-ones have are so generic and uninviting looking.

They could use about 90 less buttons. Actually they should give a couple to the iMacs's remote.

I do like the hdmit input on the Sony. I'm kind of peeved you can't use the imac as an external monitor if you want.
 
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