RAID card anyone??? Only $999.00 !!! Only works in a Mac!
I never really noticed before, but you post some pretty good stuff iWoot. As for me, you say tomato, I say tomato. You say Semtex, I say Tubgurl.
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RAID card anyone??? Only $999.00 !!! Only works in a Mac!
I never really noticed before, but you post some pretty good stuff iWoot. As for me, you say tomato, I say tomato. You say Semtex, I say Tubgurl.
RAID card anyone??? Only $999.00 !!! Only works in a Mac!
I never really noticed before, but you post some pretty good stuff iWoot. As for me, you say tomato, I say tomato. You say Semtex, I say Tubgurl.
*******!!
Well what is even more sickening is Apple may well buy the card RETAIL at say... $500-$600, put in their own "special" firmware to make it work with their EFI bootup sequence, and sell it at $999 for a cool 100% profit.
My iMac is doing just fine atm! But seriously, at work I know I need a pro for the multitasking. Just not at home. I wanted an iMac to lose the tower from a regular PC as I don't have much space. It's fitting the bill nicely and runs CS perfectly well. I'm not going to buy a Windows machine any day soon!
Option 3:
Buy a Mac Mini and an ACD.
A lot of "pro" apps and users actually don't need a decent graphics card at all. Most of Creative Suite, for instance, doesn't tax the GPU at all. I also think you probably can put 3GB of RAM in the new Mac Minis, although not from Apple, you'd have to do it yourself. I'm not saying this is an option for ALL pro users, but it is certainly an option for some.
This is not the solution, this is what i'm COMPLAINING ABOUT
That they are trying to push people to pro models that they don't need.
thanks for agreeing with me, whilst trying to debate against me.
Doi!
Meet me in the Middle
I'm I "professional designer" and have been done school and working for about 2 years now. I think everyone out there needs to realize that these new iMac have enough power to get the job done. I'm planning on buying a iMac soon and the reason for this is, I would like to start doing some freelancing at home. I'm still new in the this industry, just bought a house and don't have I alot of money. Apple only make a couple of "pro" products the mac pro (which I can't afforded) and the mac book pro (I can't stand working on a laptop and I don't need the portability) So I've turned to the iMac, I'm more then confident that it has the power and the options to get the job done. When I first started at my current job I was using an old G4 ya it was slow but it did get the job done, and I'm convinced that a new IMac running duo core 2 at 2.4 or 2.8 could out preform a G4.
So for every one out there that is saying the Imac is not a pro machine, take a look at what designer where and some still are using not to long ago, old G4s and G5s, and look at how the new iMac stacks up. For designer looking to upgrade they may not want to spend $3000 or more for a new system the iMac falls right into place, at least untill Apple release a mini towner.
I'm I "professional designer" and have been done school and working for about 2 years now. I think everyone out there needs to realize that these new iMac have enough power to get the job done. I'm planning on buying a iMac soon and the reason for this is, I would like to start doing some freelancing at home. I'm still new in the this industry, just bought a house and don't have I alot of money. Apple only make a couple of "pro" products the mac pro (which I can't afforded) and the mac book pro (I can't stand working on a laptop and I don't need the portability) So I've turned to the iMac, I'm more then confident that it has the power and the options to get the job done. When I first started at my current job I was using an old G4 ya it was slow but it did get the job done, and I'm convinced that a new IMac running duo core 2 at 2.4 or 2.8 could out preform a G4.
So for every one out there that is saying the Imac is not a pro machine, take a look at what designer where and some still are using not to long ago, old G4s and G5s, and look at how the new iMac stacks up. For designer looking to upgrade they may not want to spend $3000 or more for a new system the iMac falls right into place, at least untill Apple release a mini towner.
It is true actually.
So many people keep thinking that CS3 requires the GPU for some reason. For lesser pros like photographers and web site designers they can get away with a Mac Mini and ACD easily.
If you are into movie/video editing then you need a Pro anyway, no way around that.
Professional movie/video editing, right? The average Joe, like myself, editing home movies, the mini is enough. Hell I'm doing it on a G4 mini now. Rendering takes a very long time. Which is why I'm upgrading. Was ready to pull the trigger on a 24" iMac until I saw the glossy screen. I'll have to stop my the local Apple store and check them out. If there's too much glare, I'll opt for a new 2.0 mini and a Dell 24" LCD.
I'm a web/print designer and I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a new iMac 24".
Is there something besides glare that would cause the colors to be off? Does it have the same horrendous tinting at minor angles that their laptops do? The way my workstation is located, glare is not an issue at all for me. I've got a mac mini currently, but I'd like the upgrade in processor speed, and the non-integrated graphics card is luring me for when I use the computer for, er, non-professional uses.
Is there something besides glare that would cause the colors to be off? Does it have the same horrendous tinting at minor angles that their laptops do? The way my workstation is located, glare is not an issue at all for me. I've got a mac mini currently, but I'd like the upgrade in processor speed, and the non-integrated graphics card is luring me for when I use the computer for, er, non-professional uses.
iMac Works for Me...
Or option 3: buy the last round iMac at retail for a discount while you still can...
I'm a freelance graphic designer and I use a G5 20" iMac for all of my work, and it takes whatever I throw at it -- Illustrator, Indesign, Photoshop, GoLive, Dreamweaver, and more. People who think you have to use a pro machine to do pro design are just being pretentious. Sure we'd all love to use a big Tower and 30" screen, but many of us just can't afford it, or justify the expense. Especially us lowly self-employed designers.
I've been waiting for the new iMac so I can upgrade both my computer and the Adobe CS suite, but I'm gonna have to see the screen in person before I commit.
Or option 3: buy the last round iMac at retail for a discount while you still can...
I'm a freelance graphic designer and I use a G5 20" iMac for all of my work, and it takes whatever I throw at it -- Illustrator, Indesign, Photoshop, GoLive, Dreamweaver, and more. People who think you have to use a pro machine to do pro design are just being pretentious. Sure we'd all love to use a big Tower and 30" screen, but many of us just can't afford it, or justify the expense. Especially us lowly self-employed designers.
I've been waiting for the new iMac so I can upgrade both my computer and the Adobe CS suite, but I'm gonna have to see the screen in person before I commit.
Apple is not forcing you to buy pro machine. If you need the graphic then the macbook is not targeted to you. Most people do not need the dedicated graphic so they are not "force" to buy a pro machine.
The macbook is not crippled. It is a capable machine. Some of the lower end window pc will integrated graphics. Some will market with ati or nvidia brand but look closely they are lower end stuff and most time will be nvidia or ati branded integrated graphics that is no better than intel integrated graphic.
I think apple is trying to make imac more of a multimedia machine that look like a LCD tv.
Yes A consumer needs Dual 2.xxGhz Processor for editing the home video, make nice dvd of home movie in idvd, recording their own podcast and making music in garage band.
You are getting confused at what each machine is design to do.
Mac pro
design for high end work such as video editing(in HD or SD, not home video but comercial, tv and movie), photo editing with raw photo from camera at pro level(not you average 10 megapixel but more such as 50 megapixel for megazine, big bill board and published material) and graphics. Also 3D graphics and CAD and engineering and scienticfic uses. Basically for pros to use for work.
Macbook pro
a mobile notebook equivalence of a mac pro. Limitation by mobile hardware but still use the newest tech available.
imac
a consumer pc for internet, word file, spread sheet, powerpoint, pictures, audio and video. Basically a pc for consumer. The low end imac with weaker graphic aim at education purpose and people with tight budget.
Macbook
a consumer notebook. Aim at education and consumer uses. Graphic capable to do everything a consumer or education needs to do. It does not need a graphic card because the integrated graphic can handle 1080p (over kill since the native resolution of the lcd is lower than 720P). Does not need to run final cut pro since it is not a pro machine.
mac mini
a entry level pc. That can be use for home theater pc.
that panel is not as good as the 23" ACD panel.
and the non-integrated graphics card you are thinking about upgrading for? it sucks...horrible reviews.
I do web design, and photography on a 1.6 mini with an upgraded hard drive (7200 rpm), and maxed out RAM (2GB) with the 23" ACD...wonderful combination. That being said I might have pulled the trigger if the iMac wasn't glossy and had something better than the ati pro crap they put in it.
Honestly, for probably $3 more an iMac they could have at least put the XT version of the card in there. I mean it's only $30 more RETAIL...and it kills the pro version.
oh well Apple, you lost my $2K
time to go back to using my mini with a beautiful matte 23" screen
Your parents can still buy a refurb. I bought a refurb imac for my wife last november and I've been impressed.
Kodawarisan: the 20-inch panel is the LM201WE3 manufactured by LG Philips.
LM201WE3 / apple.com/iMac/specs
Size 20" widescreen
Tech TN Film
Colour Depth 16.7 (8-Bit)
Resolution 1680 x 1050
Response Time 5ms
Contrast Ratio 800:1
DCR Contrast Ratio 2000:1
Brightness 300 / 450
Viewing Angles 160 / 160
LM201WE3 / apple.com/iMac/specs
Size 20" widescreen
Tech TN Film
Colour Depth 16.7 (8-Bit)
Resolution 1680 x 1050
Response Time 5ms
Contrast Ratio 800:1
DCR Contrast Ratio 2000:1
Brightness 300 / 450
Viewing Angles 160 / 160
I just bought a 24" imac from apples online store. This whole hatred towards the glossy screens has got me worried.
But I'm not a graphics designer, and how badly does the glossyness mess things up? Can I still do photo editing in photoshop, and making nice looking things in illustrator, all of which will probably never go to print, so the color accuracy doesn't really matter?
But I'm not a graphics designer, and how badly does the glossyness mess things up? Can I still do photo editing in photoshop, and making nice looking things in illustrator, all of which will probably never go to print, so the color accuracy doesn't really matter?
Don't Imac support another monitor? Why couldn't you just buy a matte monitor an use it to double check your color? Or would this not work?
If you don't need a MacPro.. you could do that.. or get a Mini..
I'm an amature graphics designer.. and I'd LOVE to have the imac and another screen! But i dunno.. i keep going back and forth on a book. Right now i have a cheapo Vista book.. and I dunno i may just sue that on the go.. and an imac at home.
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I am not spending an extra thousand dollars just to have a matte screen intsead of a glossy. The macbook doesn't worry me either, considering I can hook it up to a better display on my desk. Do so to the imac though, and it looses it's all in one form factor that apple advertises so often. They can't use that as a substitute for not offering a matte option.
I completely agree. But I believe that the imac is too powerful to just be an LCD tv. It's power would cater so well to graphics pros, who don't NEEED a mac pro. iWoot him/her-self said it, there is no need for a good graphics card for CS2/CS3, or 16GB of ram (unless it's being used as a scratch disk, but even then it's only convenient, not necessary).
True, but just how many consumers that will go OOOOH PRETTY SCREEN are going to be the types of people to make podcasts and edit music and video (and by the way, my G4 ibook can edit in Garageband, and even Logic Express, just fine, there is no need for a core 2 duo). My dad's coworker just bought an imac for her kitchen . What does she do with it? Read and write e-mail and surf the web. She wanted that all in one, no cable clutter, design that apple advertises, so an imac would not have worked for her.
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No, I am not mistaking their purposes. The line between consumer and professional macs a half a year ago was only expandability, and now they are adding screen type to it.
With all Jobs said about making the imac more professional looking, he made the imac less professional in practicality.
Way to go, Steve.
I think an iMac would be perfect for this.
I have a MB (not Pro) and I am editing video in FCE just fine.
And also, the MBP and the iMac are almost the same thing. So the iMac should be fine for most people, that are into video editing, but have not yet become to need all the power of a Mac Pro.
Lots of people seem to be going on about that the new iMac is not designed for professionals as well as consumers so they should not expect an option of a matt screen. Well perhaps you should read this which comes from the 'Top Stories' section of Apple's own website under the heading 'Apple unveils new iMac'
"Apple today unveiled an all new all-in-one iMac line featuring gorgeous 20- and 24-inch widescreen displays encased in elegant and professional aluminum and glass enclosures. The entire new iMac line features the latest Intel Core 2 Duo processors and a new, ultra-thin aluminum Apple Keyboard, built-in iSight video camera for video conferencing and iLife ’08, making it the ultimate digital lifestyle desktop computer for both consumers and professionals".
Did you notice the last word.............. PROFESSIONALS!! Yes it says it's a lifestyle desktop but it does say it is designed for professionals as well. Professionals will not be using it though if it does not become available with a matt screen.
So for all those people who say the iMac is not designed for pro's to use perhaps in future you should make sure you have your facts right and read Apples own website fully.
It is quite clear 'professionals' do have a right to expect the new iMac to have a matt screen option.
"Apple today unveiled an all new all-in-one iMac line featuring gorgeous 20- and 24-inch widescreen displays encased in elegant and professional aluminum and glass enclosures. The entire new iMac line features the latest Intel Core 2 Duo processors and a new, ultra-thin aluminum Apple Keyboard, built-in iSight video camera for video conferencing and iLife ’08, making it the ultimate digital lifestyle desktop computer for both consumers and professionals".
Did you notice the last word.............. PROFESSIONALS!! Yes it says it's a lifestyle desktop but it does say it is designed for professionals as well. Professionals will not be using it though if it does not become available with a matt screen.
So for all those people who say the iMac is not designed for pro's to use perhaps in future you should make sure you have your facts right and read Apples own website fully.
It is quite clear 'professionals' do have a right to expect the new iMac to have a matt screen option.
Well, ordered a 2,8 ghz 24 incher today as planned... the glossy screen bugged me at first, but I still have my Eizo I can hook up to it, so well, no big deal.
Why I didn't want a Mac Pro? Well, I still have a 10 years old crt TV, and my plan is to use the iMac for work & play for about 3 years and then it will become my new TV/Media Center. I expect to get a long time of use out of this baby, basically, until it dies... hope it lasts like my cube, over 6 years old and never had a problem.
Why I didn't want a Mac Pro? Well, I still have a 10 years old crt TV, and my plan is to use the iMac for work & play for about 3 years and then it will become my new TV/Media Center. I expect to get a long time of use out of this baby, basically, until it dies... hope it lasts like my cube, over 6 years old and never had a problem.
Well, ordered a 2,8 ghz 24 incher today as planned... the glossy screen bugged me at first, but I still have my Eizo I can hook up to it, so well, no big deal.
Why I didn't want a Mac Pro? Well, I still have a 10 years old crt TV, and my plan is to use the iMac for work & play for about 3 years and then it will become my new TV/Media Center. I expect to get a long time of use out of this baby, basically, until it dies... hope it lasts like my cube, over 6 years old and never had a problem.
Well for you it's fine as you have a second screen but should people be expected to have to go out and buy a second screen if they don't have one? Is that really fair? That is not aimed at you. lol. It's aimed at Apple.
Sure about that?
It isn't laptop panel and according to Kodawarisan 20" is 8bit.
Why would a pro be using a consumer level computer anyway?
With everything firewire/usb the only reason to get a Mac Pro is just internal storage and needing over 4G of RAM.
I was thinking about selling my Mac Pro and getting the new iMac, but that screen is crap, oh and the keyboard is too.