new lockscreen is terrible

[martin2345uk]

What I find deeply confusing is that to open a notification, you use 3D Touch when unlocked and swipe right when locked. It's like it was before, but for some reason, I expect 3D Touch to work in both modes.

I didn't realise this was the case... so you can't 3D press from the lock screen to get to quick reply..?

 

[mi7chy]

Because easy access to Widgets off of the lock screen is actually the very best new feature of iOS 10 and it's made possible by eliminating swipe-to-open which most people don't use anymore because of how good Touch ID is.

Not all iPhones have Touch ID so perhaps early obsolescence to force people to upgrade by inconvenience.

 

[C DM]

Not all iPhones have Touch ID so perhaps early obsolescence to force people to upgrade by inconvenience.

Without TouchID the unlock procedure involves pressing the home button that isn't any more complex than swiping on the screen.

 

[boltjames]

Not all iPhones have Touch ID so perhaps early obsolescence to force people to upgrade by inconvenience.

I don't think so, for non-Touch ID owners they tap the button to get to the passcode screen, it's actually easier and faster than the old swipe was.

BJ

 

[stooovie]

I didn't realise this was the case... so you can't 3D press from the lock screen to get to quick reply..?

Hm, just tested and now I can 3D-press from lockscreen. Probably a glitch. Disregard my message

EDIT: notifications are very buggy on both my Air 2 and 6s. They sometimes light up a locked screen but don't actually show up, iPad gives me previews of different apps' OLD messages (!!), 3D Touch on lockscreen on 6s sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.

 

[icymountain]

Without TouchID the unlock procedure involves pressing the home button that isn't any more complex than swiping on the screen.

Except that, on many of the iOS devices I have seen, the Home button was the first thing to go south. When I had an iPhone 3G, it took roughly more than a year to become randomly unresponsive.
I was very happy to almost never use that button anymore on my iPad Air, and Apple removed this functionality. Thanks Apple!

And I am not far from the feeling expressed by mi7chy on early obsolescence by inconvenience.

 

[stooovie]

10 may be harder on the home button but on the other hand, the button itself for much, much more resilient after 3G and especially 4.

 

[white4s]

Except that, on many of the iOS devices I have seen, the Home button was the first thing to go south. When I had an iPhone 3G, it took roughly more than a year to become randomly unresponsive.
I was very happy to almost never use that button anymore on my iPad Air, and Apple removed this functionality. Thanks Apple!

And I am not far from the feeling expressed by mi7chy on early obsolescence by inconvenience.

my button already feels different

 

[C DM]

Except that, on many of the iOS devices I have seen, the Home button was the first thing to go south. When I had an iPhone 3G, it took roughly more than a year to become randomly unresponsive.
I was very happy to almost never use that button anymore on my iPad Air, and Apple removed this functionality. Thanks Apple!

And I am not far from the feeling expressed by mi7chy on early obsolescence by inconvenience.

There are some devices like that, but it doesn't seem that they represent a majority or anything like that. In fact with the recent discussions of "touch disease" it seems that the screens of some phones develop issues and therefore sliding to unlock would actually be troublesome on those compared to using the home button. So basically all of this is kind of neither here nor there.

 

[Retired Cat]

10 may be harder on the home button but on the other hand, the button itself for much, much more resilient after 3G and especially 4.

Apple changed the backplate of the Home Button from plastic to metal after the 4/4S, which reduced the problem of the Button becoming mushy after long use.

 

[stooovie]

Well even the buttons on newer iPhones get mushy, but it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. You don't see many iPhones with downright broken buttons as s you used to.

 

[icymountain]

All in all, I see two reasons why I do not like this:
- home button issue as mentioned above (ok, it may not be as bad as it used to be, but still potentially makes a device that was useable with the old OS unusable with the new one);
- precision: as I am using my iPad as an alarm, and typically do not want to be searching for the home button to unlock it; since the alarm activates the lock screen, I now have to...

Probably this is no biggie, but, to me, it shows that smartphones/tablets are still far from mature from a UI point of view, and since the main paradigm seems to be not to leave users much choice about how they will deal with the interface (I cannot count how many applications have at least one gesture or "feature" that aggravates me to no end, and cannot be deactivated). And as usual, this version of iOS fixes some of these things and breaks others.

 

[IFRIT]

With the new tilt to wake and the touch to unlock option enabled i don't even need to push the home button on my iPhone SE.

 

[sibcc]

Pushing the home button to unlock the screen is one of the things Apple got right. Your pink SE has Touch ID, use it, solves all your problems.

BJ
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Because easy access to Widgets off of the lock screen is actually the very best new feature of iOS 10 and it's made possible by eliminating swipe-to-open which most people don't use anymore because of how good Touch ID is.

BJ

It works about 70% of the time for me. If my finger is slightly damp or perhaps dirty the keypad comes up. It's a damn waste of time and the new idiot designers at Apple ought to have considered such problems. Having a way to opt out, other than moving to another platform, is always better.
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Hate to break it to you, but you're really in the minority here not wanting to use the security features and Apple isn't going to spend the resources to accommodate people who want to leave their phones insecure. You're free to buy other phones if you want.

That's the arrogance that will get Apple right back to where they were before Steve's return. Changing things is fine as long as there is an option to go back to the familiar way. Changes ought be compelling by themselves and adopted not dictated.
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Yeah, I mean… on a phone, you put photos, addresses, mail, and other personal stuff. You'd never do that with a house.
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Yikes.

I guess I hope they either don't have any e-mail, contacts or photos of others on their phone. I for one would be pissed if someone were so wantonly negligent to put personal info of mine on a device that they publicly carry around without any security measures whatsoever, not even a freaking four-digit code.

A phone ought to have the security that the user deems appropriate. If they're walking around with your financial information, then they have a duty to secure that data. What did people do before to store such information? They physically protected the physical file. Similarly, one can also physically secure their phone. Think of your phone as a stack of $100 bills and treat it as such. The real problem is that a significant number of people are lackadaisical wrt their phone.

 

[C DM]

It works about 70% of the time for me. If my finger is slightly damp or perhaps dirty the keypad comes up. It's a damn waste of time and the new idiot designers at Apple ought to have considered such problems. Having a way to opt out, other than moving to another platform, is always better.
[doublepost=1475452988][/doublepost]

That's the arrogance that will get Apple right back to where they were before Steve's return. Changing things is fine as long as there is an option to go back to the familiar way. Changes ought be compelling by themselves and adopted not dictated.
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A phone ought to have the security that the user deems appropriate. If they're walking around with your financial information, then they have a duty to secure that data. What did people do before to store such information? They physically protected the physical file. Similarly, one can also physically secure their phone. Think of your phone as a stack of $100 bills and treat it as such. The real problem is that a significant number of people are lackadaisical wrt their phone.

In the end it's basically a change pressing the home button vs sliding on the screen. Doesn't really seem drastic or really better or worse, simply new/different.